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The Logos "Word of God" is NO longer writings but the Person of Jesus Christ:

The Logos Message “Word of God” is NO longer biblical writings but the Person of Jesus Christ:



Careful study will show that the logos message “Word of God” radically changed from the gramma letters/writings of God collected into the graphe scripture of the Old Testament (OT) to something completely different-in-kind by definition of the chadash/kainos New Covenant that dominates the New Testament (NT).  In only 4 places within the NT does the word logos refer to OT ‘letters or writings’ of scripture:  1) and 2) are both of Christ arguing with hypocritical Pharisee Jews that their traditions contradicted their own scriptures (a), 3) Christ arguing for His own divinity using the Jew’s scriptures as proof (b) and finally, 4) Paul arguing that God’s stated plans in the Jewish scriptures for Israel haven’t failed because of their rejection of Christ (c).  In every case, the Jewish scriptures are used to argue against Jews.  Again, nowhere does the NT use Jewish scriptures to prove anything to a Gentile-only audience!  Gentiles could care less about what Jews hold dear!  Every good teacher knows to ‘know thy audience’ to insure what you say is relevant to them! <Notes> a) Matthew 15:6; Mark 7:13, b) John 10:35, c) Romans 9:6.


What’s confuses a lot of readers is that most English bibles also equally translate the directly spoken/heard prophetic rhema words of God as the “Word of God,” grossly misleading readers to believe that logos and rhema are both the same in meaning.  However, “in the original Greek there is a substantial distinction” as Wikipedia’s Rhema (doctrine)” article rightfully points out!


To confuse matters even more, many English bibles shamefully insert the word “word” into the text where logos or rhema is actually missing (a), or when another Greek word doesn’t necessarily mean “word” at all (b)!  No wonder so many wrong doctrines are created from reading English bibles that ultimately become “traditions of men” to further mislead the Church – see Bible Info. <Notes> a) e.g., Matthew 11:2, b) e.g., Matthew 6:7 “heard for their many words” should simply be “heard their speaking.”




The Logos "Word of God" is Jesus Christ as the Communication of God

The Logos Message “Word of God” is Jesus Christ as the Communication of God:



Logos is the common word for “communication that focuses on message content rather than on the delivery method as rhema does,” thus best translated simply as “message.”  Although many bibles will correctly translate logos as “message” in many places (a), every bible continues to obscure the meaning of Jesus as the logos Message of God (b) by continuing to translate it only as “Word of God.”  See also Wikipedia’s “Logos (Christianity)” article. <Notes> a) albeit inconsistently – another big problem of theirs, b) John 1:1, 14, 11:3; 1 John 1:1; Revelation 19:13; Hebrews 11:3; 2 Peter 3:5-7.


Logos communication can sometimes include speaking and akouo hearing/listening to understand, like rhema always does, such as:  Of Christ’s gospel logos message(s) (a), or akouo hearing/listening to understand Christian preaching of the “Great News” gospel logos message of The Truth who is Jesus Christ (b), or the gospel logos message that is the mystery of Christ (c), or a second-hand report about this occurring (d), or the sound gospel logos messages of trusting-relying-faith and unconditional-love passed from Paul to his trainees to be heard/understood (e), or the gospel logos message that is the only 2 commandments of trusting-relying-faith and unconditional-love (f) that Christians have heard from the beginning [of their faith] (g), or the final gospel prophetic logos message of Revelation (h); or the “Voice of God whose directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words made the hearers beg that no further logos messages be spoken to them” (i), or the speaking or report of any other logos message (j).  James 1:22 warns “to be doers of the logos message, not hearers only,” just as Jesus said, “My mother and my brothers are those who hear the (Christ’s gospel) logos message of God and do it [by coming to trusting-relying-faith in Jesus]” (k).


<Notes> a) Matthew 7:24, 13:19-23; Mark 4:15-20, 33; Luke 5:1, 6:47, 8:12-15, 21, 28; John 5:24, 7:40, 8:43, 47, 14:24, 19:13; 1 John 1:1, b) Acts 2:22, 4:4, 8:14, 10:44, 13:7, 44, 48, 15:7, 19:10; Ephesians 1:13; Colossians 1:5; 1 Thessalonians 2:13.  Jesus is The Truth:  John 14:6, c) Colossians 4:3, d) Acts 11:1, e) 2 Timothy 1:13, f) 1 John 3:23, g) 1 John 2:7, 2:24, 3:11; 2 John 1:6, h) 1:3, 22:18, i) Hebrews 12:19, j) Acts 5:5, 24, 15:24; 2 Timothy 2:14, k) Luke 8:21, cf. 11:28.


However, careful study shows that “The Logos of God” in the New Testament has very little to do with “the Logos of God” in the Old Testament at all!  We will see that a fallen-away Catholic Church around 200 AD, almost single-handedly by the powerful bishop Origen, incorporated what was once only God’s logos message to His Jewish “children” (the OT) into what is NOW God’s gospel logos message to the entire world!  He tried to mix oil and water, or putting “completely-different-in-kind kainos New wine into palios ‘old, antiquated, worn-out, useless’ wineskins.”  This “borrowing” from the OT is exactly the foundational problem of The Great Wall quenching the Spirit in the Church!


The emphasis of ALL logos communication is on rationally understanding the content of directly-spoken/heard rhema words (a), whereas that actual rhema itself emphasizes the delivery of those words – that it’s first-hand, direct contact!  Furthermore, logos communication can be written down with gramma letters and passed on from person to person, read, and studied to be rationally understand, and thus involves second-hand knowledge, something rhema can never involve!  Which would you rather have? <Notes> a) Matthew 13:19, 23; John 8:43.




Jesus Christ as always been the Logos "Word of God" even before He became Flesh

Jesus Christ as always been the Logos Message “Word of God” even before He became Flesh:



The New Testament has radically redefined the “Logos of God” as:  the Living, Active, Sharp Logos Message of God (a) who we are born again by (b) – so almost everywhere, even below, I’ve translated it better than most bibles for the sake of clarity.  NOW Jesus is the Living Logos Communicating Message of God (c); of Jesus as the Creator of the earth, heavens, and entire universe (d).  It’s also Christ’s “Great News gospel”  logos message of zoe genuine-life (e); a gospel logos message Christ also preached faithfully with the exact words of God (f) even though many Jews “stumbled over this ‘Stone’ or ‘Rock of offense’ and thus ‘disobeyed the gospel logos message’” (g).  “The sound logos messages of our Lord” were definitely not scripture that the Jews would have been quick to agree with (h), but instead was primarily the gospel logos message of God (i) that the Jews constantly argued against, the gospel message that Jesus preached about the kingdom of God even by parables (j).  Christ gave many gospel logos messages that many put their trusting-relying-faith in (k), and this “obedience to faith” (l) was obedience to the gospel logos message (m) that made a person spiritually clean/forgiven (n) for The Unconditional-Love of/belonging-to God to be ‘matured or completed’ within a person (o), which is the implanted gospel logos message that is able to save our souls (p).  Certainly we are blessed by invitations to the marriage supper of the Lamb, for these are the true gospel logos messages of God (q) that are thus trustworthy (r), which we are blessed by if we keep (s), which people thus act on with trusting-relying-faith (t).


<Notes> a) Hebrews 4:12, b) 1 Peter 1:23, c) John 1:1, 14; 1 John 1:1; Revelation 19:13, d) John 11:3; Hebrews 11:3; 2 Peter 3:5-7, e) Philippians 2:16; Acts 5:20, f) John 3:34, 7:16, 12:49, 14:10, 24, g) 1 Peter 2:8, h) 1 Timothy 6:3; Luke 5:1, 8:11, 21, 11:28; John 3:34, 8:47, i) Acts 15:7; Romans 9:6; 1 Corinthians 14:36; 1 Peter 1:25, j) Mark 4:10-20; Luke 8:9-15, k) John 4:41, l) Romans 1:5, 16:26, m) Acts 6:7; 1 Peter 3:1, n) John 15:3, o) 1 John 2:5, p) James 1:21, q), Revelation 19:9, r) Revelation 21:5, 22:6, s)  Revelation 22:7, 9-10, 18-19, t) John 4:50.



The Logos "Word of God" is thus the preached Gospel Message of Jesus Christ

The Logos Message “Word of God” is thus the preached Gospel Message of Jesus Christ:



Furthermore, it is the gospel logos message that was also preached everywhere by the early Church and its ministers (a) as a logos message of their testimony/witness even to the end of the ages (b); it was also taught as the sound doctrine of trusting-relying-faith, unconditional-love, and godliness to pastors of high moral character to correct those who would contradict it (c); which is the “gospel logos message of Christ that is to dwell in us richly” (d).  It is the “gospel logos message of God” that dwells [by the Holy Spirit] in Christians to overcome the evil one (e).  The “gospel logos message of God” that makes all things (f) holy isn’t the 97.4 % of OT that is Law-based but the gospel logos messages of The-Trusting-Relying-Faith (g).  It is the “goodness (h) of the gospel logos message of God and/coupled the dunamis enabling-power [of the Holy Spirit] of the age to come” that Jewish-Christians had already “tasted” (i).


<Notes> a) Acts 4:31, 6:2, 7, 8:14, 10:36, 11:1, 12:24, 13:5, 7, 46; 15:7, 17:13, 18:11; Colossians 1:25; Philippians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 1:6, 8, 2:13; 2 Thessalonians 3:1; 2 Timothy 2:9; Titus 2:5; Hebrews 13:7, b) Revelation 12:11, c) Galatians 6:6; 1 Timothy 1:10, 6:3; 2 Timothy 1:13; Titus 1:9, 2:1, 5, d) Colossians 3:16; 1 John 1:10, e) 1 John 2:14, f) even that forbidden by the OT, g) 1 Timothy 4:5-6, h) see ‘good grace-gifts’ of Matthew 7:11; Luke 11:13, i) Hebrews 6:5.


Furthermore, it is “the gospel logos message of The Truth” that is to be “rightly-handled” and “heralded/proclaimed in and out of season” (a) that made us first-fruits of Christ’s creatures (b).  The gospel “logos message of God” that isn’t to be tampered with isn’t OT scripture but the open proclamation/manifested exhibition of The Truth [who is Jesus] (c).  The gospel “logos message of His unconditionally-loving-favor-of-grace” (d) is the gospel “logos message of the cross” (e).  The gospel “logos message of righteousness” that Jewish-Christians were to be skilled at instead of the “milk” of “the stoicheion rudimentary ‘abc’ fundamentals of the [prophetic] oracles of God” that are about 2.6% the OT scripture (f).  “God’s logos message” that wasn’t to be peddled – unlike so many of today’s preachers do (g) is the gospel “logos message of God” that Christians are slain for (h).  Jesus also gave His servants prophetic rhema words compiled into logos messages of the future that could encourage others (i) but the future logos messages of God are coupled to the testimony/witness of Jesus Christ (j), and these prophetic logos messages of God will all be fulfilled (k).


<Notes> a) Ephesians 1:13; Colossians 1:5; 2 Timothy 2:15; Titus 1:3, b) James 1:18, c) 2 Corinthians 4:2, d) Acts 20:32, e) 1 Corinthians 1:18, f) Hebrews 5:12-13; Romans 3:2; Acts 7:38; 1 Peter 4:11, g) 2 Corinthians 4:2, h) Revelation 6:9, i) 1 Thessalonians 4:15, 18, j) Revelation 1:2, 9, 20:4, k) Revelations 17:17.



There is absolutely NO WAY that you can say the Bible is NOW the Logos "Word of God"

There is absolutely NO WAY that you can say the Bible is NOW the Logos Message “Word of God”:



Therefore, it’s absolutely incorrect to hold up a bible and say, “This is the Word of God!”  The OT was ONCE the written logos message “Word of God” thousands of years ago, and the NT writings don’t even claim to be the more logos message “Word of God” as gramma letters/writings collected into more graphe scripture.  Not one Church Father claimed this until the Catholic theologian Tertullian first claimed this around 200 AD in his desperate arguments against the Jews that Christians also had authoritarian writings!  Instead the NT says that NOW Jesus is the “Living Logos Message of God” (a), NOW on earth for us as is His Holy Spirit as “the [fresh, running] Living water” (b). That’s why the NT emphasis is on Jesus as “the Living Logos Message of God” and His preached (not written) gospel logos message, not just what comes out of a preacher’s mouth but particularly the message content that comes through the directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema “Word of God as given by revelation (c) of the Holy Spirit (d).  But this is “kept hidden from the so-called wise and learned” Jewish scholars (scribes) and teachers (Pharisees), but “revealed to little children and other least among you” (e) directly by prophecy (f) so that “by present/ongoing scrutiny (g) we may then discern (h) what is the will of God” (i) – see New Covenant Ways – BT16.  This is NOW the WAY of knowing, learning, and encouragement (j).


<Notes> a) John 1:1, 14; 1 John 1:1; Hebrews 4:12; 1 Peter 1:23, b) John 4:10-11, 38; Revelation 7:17, fulfilling Song of Solomon 4:15; Jeremiah 2:13, 17:13; Zechariah 14:8, c) Romans 1:17; Romans 16:25; Galatians 2:2, 3:23; Ephesians 1:17; Colossians 1:26, d) Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; 1 Corinthians 2:10; Ephesians 3:5, e) Matthew 11:25; Luke 10:21, cf. Jeremiah 31:34, f) even via dreams and visions:  Acts 2:17-19, g) dokimazo: test, examine, or discern to demonstrate or prove something is acceptable, genuine, approved, good, and approved, h) dokimazo: test, examine, or discern to demonstrate or prove something is acceptable, genuine, approved, good, and approved, i) Romans 12:2, cf. Ephesians 5:10; Philippians 1:10; 1 Thessalonians 5:21, j) Acts 2:17-18, 19:6; 1 Corinthians 13:9, 14:1, 5, 30-31, 39.


It’s as simple as this:  Just as the New (a) Covenant is completely different-in-kind “New” (a) from the old covenant by definition, so is its gospel logos message!  You can’t mix oil and water, but so many Christians and churches try because they simply don’t understand how often the NT warns repetitively us not to even try!  They simply don’t understand this: “For all the Prophets and the Law (b) definitively/wholly prophesied (c) UNTIL (d) John” (e), and “The Law and the Prophets were [f] UNTIL (g) John (the Baptist); [but] since that time (h) the ‘Great News’ gospel of the kingdom of God is presently/ongoingly preached (i)” (j) – not written down, later categorized, to then be read, studied, and debated for thousands of years so people could be guided by God.  Now, do you understand why Paul was “beaten with rods three times and stoned once” (k)?  Paul threatened the purpose and livelihoods of every scribe, Pharisee, and Sadducee – every bible-student!  The last book of OT scripture was finished 400 years before John the Baptist, but Matthew was saying these OT scriptures were still “divinely speaking of future events” UNTIL John.  John was the last OT prophet to prophecy, the “Elijah who was to come,” in order to “prepare the way” for the Lord (l).


<Notes> a) chadash, kainos: fresh, completely different-in-kind, unprecedented, sharing nothing with its predecessors, unique, and superior, b) the most common division of the OT, c) foretold future events, spoke from divine inspiration, d) heos: continued until or as far as, e) Matthew 11:13, f) verb inserted: ‘were proclaimed’ NASB, NIV or ‘in effect’ NRSV or ‘in force’ NET, g) mechri: as far as, up to a certain point, h) apo tote, i) euaggelizo: announced/proclaimed as ‘Great News’, thus evangelized, j) Luke 16:16, k) 2 Corinthians 11:25, l) Matthew 3:3, 11:14;17:10-13; Mark 1:3, 9:11-13; Luke 1:76, 3:4.





As Christian musicians, do we want to perpetuate the fallacy that the entire OT is the logos message “word of God” to men when clearly it is NOT?  Shouldn’t we convey that now under the completely-different-in-kind New Covenant that it is instead Jesus Christ and His gospel message, which only 2.6% of the OT actually prophetically points to?  Isn’t the gospel the power of God unto salvation that includes being made whole and healed?  Shouldn’t we also be relying more on the prophetic rhema “Word of God” as the NT emphasizes?  Instead of reading and studying so much as the scribes and Pharisees did, which got them nowhere, shouldn’t we be instead listening and watching for God to speak to us like the OT and NT prophets we were ALL called to be?  Shouldn’t we be like little children and other least among you instead of bible-scholars?  I’m preaching to myself!  Isn’t that part of why the New Covenant was supposed to be completely different-in-kind from the old covenant that just didn’t work?





Lord, thank You so much that You “know Your audience” and speak to Gentiles what is relevant to them, but to Jews You used the OT scriptures that they cared about, especially to counter their arguments so they could see their need for You Jesus to save them, even from the condemnation of their own scriptures!  Thank You Lord that You have ‘woken us to The Truth’ that “ALL the Law and Prophets were only UNTIL the preaching of the ‘Great News’ logos message of the gospel!”


Whatever the old covenant “given by Moses” was, it sure wasn’t “The Grace or The Truth,” because thank God these “came into being by Jesus Christ.”  Thank You that we no longer have to be feed ‘milk’ like babies or learn the abc’s like the Jews being treated as “little children” were, even from the Prophetic Oracles about the Messiah and His New Covenant that Jews were and are still converted by.  NOW we can eat the ‘solid food’ of “practicing scrutinizing-discernment of good and evil” by the means of the Paraklete Holy Spirit in order to NOW “know the genuine, acceptable, pleasing will of God” and thus NOW to be parakaleo ‘counselled, comforted, encouraged, exhorted, and taught’ directly by You, just as with ALL the prophets You call us to be!


Thank You God for the “fresh, unprecedented, completely different-in-kind New Covenant” with all its radically-different definitions of palios “old, antiquated, worn-out, useless” words of a like-kind palios old covenant, because the scriptures were but a “shadow, copy, type, or figure” of “the real substance of things to come” – and many of these have already come!  Thank You Lord for creating completely different-in-kind “New words” just as with spontaneous “New songs” just for today, those You speak to each of us with prophetic-rhema words, so that NOW You can confidently say “They shall ALL be taught by God.”


Thank You also for delivering us from the “snare, trap, and retribution” (see New Covenant Ways – BT17) of “the wise and understanding” bible students who refuse to recognize the many copying and translation errors of bible, the tens of thousands of textual variants, the erroneous insertion of words that don’t exist even in the best manuscripts, the adding of meanings that don’t exist in the best lexicons, and even translating unique words into the same word to further obscure the truth.  Lord, “forgive them for they know not what they do!”


Praise Your name that You go right around all these problems within 3,415 language bible translations – and numerous versions within each of these, even in 900 English bibles – by NOW teaching us directly by the means of Your Spirit through the prophetic-rhema words of God, thus no longer requiring us to study Your logos message “Word of God” as the scribes and Pharisees painstakingly did, who nonetheless failed miserably in actually knowing Your Word or Your Unconditional-Love!  They failed because they would not be like the prophets who always “come to You for genuine-life.”  Praise Your name that NOW “ALL Your men and woman servants can prophesy, even by visions and dreams” so that we can exactly know Your thoughts and will!  Moses’ desire that “that all God’s people would be prophets” was fulfilled!


Thank You Jesus that now under Your completely different-in-kind New Covenant we can rightly view the logos message “Word of God” instead as You, the actual “Living, active, sharper than a double-edged sword, Communicator of God,” and Your logos message “Word of God” as the content of Your gospel message about having trusting-relying-faith in You, a message content that You continue to preach through Your servants, the only message content that contains the enabling-power of God for salvation, the message content of which we can sunesis ‘connect-the-dots’ understand, not through Pharisee-like study but NOW by the means of Your “One is Your Teacher” Holy Spirit, together with “signs, wonders, and grace-gifts of the Spirit that accompany those who actually DO HAVE trusting-relying-faith – ALL given to confirm the message, who is You Lord Jesus.”  This message content is clearly no longer a book of writings let alone a book of “decrees, commandments, precepts, ordinances, regulations, and rules” to live by!  We have died to these “handwritings of God, nailed to the cross, that we should live for another” – You Lord Jesus!


Praise Your name for making it so simple now, especially for “little children and the other least among us,” which “the secrets of the kingdom will be revealed to first” before the so-called “wise and understanding” bible students!  NOW we only have 1 combined commandment to faithfully “keep watch or guard over and to teach disciples,” as given by Your Great Commission – “to presently/ongoingly have trusting-relying-faith in name/person/authority of Your Son Jesus Christ and/coupled to presently/ongoingly unconditionally-love one another just as Your Son gave us His completely different-in-kind New commandment.”  Praise Your name that the ‘obedience that counts for anything’ is NOW “the obedience of trusting-relying-faith working through love” in “One Man’s obedience,” which was the thesis statement of Paul’s gospel to the Roman empire and the core of every other writing of his.


Lord, we won’t make the mistake religious people do of trying to “put the New Wine” of the New Covenant into the “old wineskins” of the old covenant “to ruin them both” – this is the foundation of ‘The Great Wall quenching the Holy Spirit in the Church.”  You “ended the first to make occasion for the second.”  The first “was fulfilled and has vanished away.”  I am so grateful that I no longer have to read, study, and analyze ancient writings in foreign languages, often poorly copied and translated over thousands of years, even today by careless authors, to get bits and pieces of second-hand knowledge out of them, never with the original tone, body language, full intended meaning or impact the bible authors attempted to express when they first directly heard and saw the directly-spoken prophetic-rhema words of God that alone “are the bread that we can genuinely-live on” or “that never come back void but accomplish what they were set out to do.”  Thank You for calling us ALL back to the prophetic-rhema “Word of God” that you wanted for ALL of the Jews to be taught by, but they refused to meet with you personally “so that they would be caused to not sin” by Your direct communication, but instead assigned Moses to do this, resulting in gramma letters collected much later into graphe scripture.  Forgive us ALL for wanting tablets, scroll, paper, and ink more than You directly teaching us to make us holy or sanctified.   Guide us NOW as we read these other BLOG topics.  Amen.




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BT1:  The logos “Word of God” is NOT the directly-spoken/heard rhema “Word of God”


BT2: Even the logos “Word of God” as the gospel can be powerless


BT3:  There was a radical shift of the meaning of logos “Word of God” from the OT to the NT


BT4:  The gramma writings of God as the logos “Word of God”


BT5:  Graphe scripture as the logos “Word of God” never referred to New Testament writings


BT5a:  At least 97.4% of the Old Testament graphe scripture actually is the old covenant or Law


BT6:  The early Jewish Church only used 2.6% of the Old Testament and none before long


BT7:  Doesn’t 2 Timothy 3:16 say that ALL scripture is profitable for teaching?


BT8:  The Law ‘portion of’ scripture sure was NOT “profitable for teaching” in the Church


BT9:   Roman 15:4 also does NOT teach Christians to use all ‘portions of’ scripture


BT10:  “The public reading” in 1 Timothy 4:13 sure wasn’t the Law ‘portion of’ scripture


BT11:  Paul’s writings were NOT called “scripture” in 2 Peter 3:15-16


BT12:  The OT letters were religious ‘abc’ fundamentals for children treated like slaves or prisoners


BT13:  Shouldn’t the 2 greatest OT commandments be included in what is “profitable for teaching?”


BT14:  The New Testament only has 2 commandments combined in 1


BT15:  The New Testament has only 1 commandment to the UNSAVED


BT16:  The New Testament has only 1 commandment to the SAVED


BT17:  The New Testament doesn’t promise more gramma writings or teachers to learn from


BT18:  Early Church writings validate my research about the use of the Old and New Testaments


BT19:  But doesn’t 2 Timothy 2:15 tell us to study the bible?


See also New Covenant Ways – BT16:  The New Covenant also has a completely-different-in-kind WAY to know God’s will


See also Least Among You – BT8:  Little children discern God’s will by the means of the Spirit


See also New Covenant Ways – BT17:  Scripture’s precept-upon-precept study WAY to knowing God is a baited trap


See also New Covenant Ways – BT18:  The study of scripture is a snare, trap, and trap-trigger-stumbling-block with payback


BT20:  Christians are NOW the holy writings of God


See also New Covenant Ways – BT13:  The OT was meant for Jews NOT Gentiles


See also New Covenant Ways – BT13a:  The OT scriptures were only for the Jews and only UNTIL Christ finished them


See also New Covenant Ways – BT13b:  Then of what value is OT scripture for Christians under the New Covenant?


See also  New Covenant Ways – BT13c:  What value are the NT writings for Christians under the New Covenant?


See also New Covenant Ways – BT19:  Church teacher-leaders push the bible, but God pushes the Holy Spirit!


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