Conversational Prayer – BT22

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Drawing near, conversational-prayer is most effective when done by the Spirit, which is likely by tongues, to build yourself up on your most holy faith

 

 

 

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In the last BLOG we saw how much the Spirit generally is involved in prayer and in Conversational-Prayer – BT3 we saw how important prayer is for Spirit-Baptism or Filling.  See also The Grace-Gifts of Tongues & Interpretation.  See also Grace-Gifts to see more about the Spirit and Prayer there.

 

In 1 Corinthians 14:14-15, Paul says: “If I presently/ongoingly proseuchomai conversationally-pray in a glossa tongue/language, the [Holy] Spirit (a) of/belonging-to me presently/ongoingly (b) presently/ongoingly proseuchomai conversationally-prays (c), but the mind of/belonging-to me is presently/ongoingly akarpos unfruitful (d). What am I to do? I shall actually proseuchomai conversationally-pray [by-the-means-of] (e) the Spirit (a) of/belonging-to me (c), but also I shall actually proseuchomai conversationally-pray [by-the-means-of] (e) the nous mind (f) of/belonging-to me; I shall actually psalmo sing (g) [by-the-means-of] (e)the Spirit (a) of/belonging-to me (c) kai and/also the nous mind (f) of/belonging-to me” We know from the next 2 verses that these tongues must consist of “eulogeo ‘speaking a good, beneficial logos message, thus blessing’ by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit” are directly related to “your eucharistia thanksgiving” in order for someone to “say Amen (h) to” if it were “eido mentally ‘seen’ to perceived/known,” thus the reason for interpretation within the assembly, especially for the sake of “oikodomeo edifying-building-up” any “idiotes uninformed/uneducated/outsiders” that may be there.

 

<Notes> a) definite article to + pneuma in Paul’s writings always means “The Holy Spirit,b) Paul as a Christian possess the indwelling Spirit within his spirit or “inner being” [Romans 7:22; Ephesians 3:16], “inner self” [2 Corinthians 4:16], “inner person of the heart” [1 Peter 3:4], or “koilia belly/abdomen/womb” [John 7:38] – see Identity, c) “the Spirit intercedes for us when we do not eido mentally ‘see’ to perceive/know what we should proseuchomai conversationally-pray for” per Romans 8:26-27, d) unyielding what it ought, unproductive, barren, useless, without understanding, e) no preposition but to pneuma is in the dative case of instrument/means, f) Paul sometimes use cardia heart and nous mind synonymously as many Jews do, but either are part of the psyche soul – see Identity, g) psalming can be singing and/or playing an instrument, h) means “so be it” as an affirmation.

 

Despite this point of orderly worship, Paul next says in 1 Corinthians 14:18-19 that “I thank God that I laleo ‘utter sounds, form words with the mouth’ [by-the-means-of] [plural] tongues more than all of you, though in [singular] church I would thelo will/desire/purpose laleo ‘utter sounds, form words with the mouth’ 5 logos messages [by-the-means-of] the mind of/belonging to me to katecheo ‘repetitively-instruct of foundational truths’ others than 10,000 logos messages en by-the-means-of [singular] glossa tongue/language.” That’s why Paul says in v. 14:5 “I presently/ongoingly thelo will/desire/purpose ALL you’all to presently/ongoingly laleo ‘utter sounds, form words with the mouth’ [by-the-means-of] [plural] tongues, but mallon ‘comparatively more’ in order that you should presently/ongoingly prophesy,” because this doesn’t also require the grace-gift of interpretation needed for “idiotes uninformed/uneducated/outsiders.”  It’s just crazy that so many churches ignore all of this, completely disobeying v. 14:39 “Therefore, brethren of mine, [I strongly urge you to] presently/ongoingly zeloo ‘zealously-desire, burning like boiling water’ to presently/ongoingly prophesy kai and/also in-possibility-NOT to koluo ‘hinder, restrain, cut-off, prevent, withhold, refuse, deny, or forbid’ to laleo ‘utter sounds, form words with the mouth’ [by-the-means-of] [plural] tongues.”

 

Concerning spiritual warfare, when Paul talks in Ephesians 6:18 about “routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying in pas all-kinds-of kairos ‘suitable, right, seasonable, opportune seasons/occasions’ by-the-means-of  [singular] Spirit and/coupled eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ this, be routinely agrupneo vigilantly-watching by-the-means-of all proskarteresis devoted-relational-perseverance and/coupled deesis supplication-prayer for all the saints” that very like Paul is referring to praying in tongues!  Paul clearly understands that “the one who routinely laleo ‘utter sounds, form words with the mouth’ [by-the-means-of] [singular] tongue presently/ongoingly oikodomeo edifying-building-up oneself” (a) and that if interpreted it can oikodomeo edifying-building-up others in the ekklesia church-assembly (b), especially to accommodate those “idiotes uninformed/uneducated/outsiders.” <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 14:4, b) 1 Corinthians 14:5, 26.

 

Similarly Jude 1:19-21 is likely talking about tongues:  “These [scoffing, ungodly] people are divisive, worldly, not having [singular] Spirit.  But you, beloved, routinely epoikodomeo ‘edifying or building up from a foundation’ [plural] yourselves [by-the-means-of] the most holy Trusting-Relying-Faith of/belonging-to you, routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying en by-the-means-of [singular] Holy Spirit, [I strongly urge you to] definitively/wholly tereo ‘carefully watch/observe to safely-guard, care-for/attend-to, firmly-hold/stand-in/maintain-a-present-state,’ yourself in The Unconditional-Love of/belonging-to God, routinely prosdechomai ‘expectantly waiting to interactively welcome’ the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal zoe genuine-life.”

 

The present participles “routinely building…routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying” are the lifestyle-habits of how to do the imperative “tereo ‘carefully watch/observe to safely-guard, care-for/attend-to, firmly-hold/stand-in/maintain-a-present-state’ yourself in The Unconditional-Love of/belonging-to God.” That’s how you keep from “not having [singular] Spirit” like the “divisive, worldly people.” Here, the HOW-TO for “routinely epoikodomeo ‘edifying or building up from a foundation’ [plural] yourselves [by-the-means-of] the most holy Trusting-Relying-Faith of/belonging-to you” is spelled out as by “routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying en by-the-means-of [singular] Holy Spirit,” which again is likely tongues – see Tongues & Interpretation.

 

It’s really sad to see so many Christians not only misunderstand these verses but then resist learning them and enjoying their benefits by practicing them!  A lot of the problem is in our English bibles and the preachers & teachers that build doctrine from them instead of insuring that’s what the original languages say – see Bible Info.

 

I was a Christian for a long time before I learned how to let tongues happen in proseuche conversational-prayer.  It used to really worry me that maybe my tongues weren’t from God, but something I just was making up, until one night I was proseuchomai conversationally-praying a lot in tongues, when it seemed to just be gushing out of me. I expressed my worry to God and suddenly I was praising and thanking God in English with the most beautiful poetry I’ve ever heard, even more elaborately rhyming than the book of Psalms, and I knew it couldn’t be me because I hated poetry in school and really sucked at it!  And as this was occurring I absolutely knew it was an interpretation of what I had been saying in tongues. This went on for about 5 minutes, and afterwards I was sobbing in tears and greatly humbled that I doubted God’s grace-gift.  Any time I’ve ever wondered what I was saying, the Lord reminds me of that night, and all doubt flees!

 

 

 

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