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BT15:  Reflection about Cessationism

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Why would you believe in Cessationism Sola Scriptura “Bible-only” that says the miraculous grace-gifts of the Spirit have ceased when there is so much evidence against it?  The New Testament writers “optimally-desire for us ALL to speak in tongues,” particularly to “conversationally-pray and psalm to God from out heart,” and knowing this “builds us up in our most Holy Faith in order to ‘carefully watch/observe to keep guarded’ ourselves in the Unconditional-Love of God.”  Don’t you want to be built up in holiness and trusting-relying-faith in order to experience more of God’s no-strings-attached love?  If tongues express “High Praise” and “eulogizing thanksgiving to God” perfectly “interceding by the will of God” from “the depths of God” why wouldn’t you want to do this?  Why wouldn’t you want to play music with or without words spontaneously composed by the Holy Spirit, even singing in tongues, to create a “completely-different-in-kind, superior New Song” or “Joyful Noise” or “Spirit-kind of ode” from your heart to the Lord, especially requested “to bring in order to speak reciprocally to one another” in church-assemblies?  The writers never indicated this would end!

 

The New Testament writers say that “even better than” personal tongues is “to zealously-desire to prophecy” as a “proving-sign to believers” because it “more valuable to build up others” unless “the tongues are interpreted,” exactly because such tongues can bring a message of “revelation, gnosis info-knowledge, prophecy, teaching.”  We are warned “not to forbid tongues” and “not to despise prophecy.” The Writers don’t indicate that any of this is no longer needed!

 

The Writers don’t indicate thattongues as a proving-sign to unbelievers” to authenticate and “confirm the gospel logos message” is no longer needed to God to “work together with us” by “accompanying the gospel with signs, wonders, miracles, and grace-gifts.”  There is no indication that any of the grace-gifts are no longer needed to carry out Body-Ministry to “build us up into the mature stature of Jesus Christ.”  Ceasing any would be like going to the gym and only working out certain body parts – you will end up grossly disproportionate!  All arms with skinny legs and a fat belly!  A freak.  That’s what so much of the Church looks like today, until you realize that just like “All Israel is not true Israel for a remnant shall be saved” applies to the institutional Church also!

 

I don’t see that The Great Commission requirements of the Church Age to preach/witness the gospel logos message to “the ends of the age or earth” have ever been fulfilled and Jesus said He won’t return until they are.  I don’t see Peter’s restatement of Christ’s “promised gift of the Father to enduringly-wait” in conversational-prayer as they did in the upper-room 2 weeks for, which Peter said was form “all those far off that the Lord will call to Himself” has ‘ceased’ because we have a bible!  “The Perfect Coming” is not the completion of the bible but the return of Jesus Christ, the Perfect, Sinless, Holy, and Righteous One.  The Bible isn’t that we will be “face to face” with when the grace-gifts “pass away” because they are no longer needed in the battle!  What will remain forever is our trusting-relying-faith and hope (future faith) and unconditional-love because this the basis of our relationship with the Lord and actually the very nature of God, for faith/hope are ‘flavors’ of the singular fruit/nature of the Spirit/God that is singularly Unconditional-Love that should thus be the basis of all our actions, even the use of grace-gifts whether “to benefit God” or “to benefit others!”

 

Since the Writers say that “signs, wonders, miracles, and grace-gifts” were given as “weapons of our warfare” that are “of the Spirit and not of our flesh” to get ‘the marching order’ done, why would the Lord take any of those weapons away from us until He returns?  Cessationists are using pea-shooters when they could be using Big Guns!

 

Only our doubt and fear keep the enabling-power of the Holy Spirit from flowing “into us, thru us to others, and effectively working in others.”  Mark made it clear that “these signs shall actually follow those who have trusting-relying-faith” and we know even from Christ’s ministry in some places: “He absolutely-in-fact-NOT did-to-make many [plural] dunamis ‘supernatural enabling-powers’ there because of their apistia NOT-having-of-trusting-relying-faith.”

 

Missionaries on the ‘front-lines’ of the gospel all around the world will tell you that unless you use all the grace-gifts in the battle for The Truth, you are going to lose!  But Paul says that Spiritual warfare is something we all have to fight with “the whole armor of God to take our stand against the schemes of the devil” and the “sword of the Spirit is the directly-spoken/heard rhema Word of God” and directly associates this with “routinely conversationally-praying in/by/with ALL-SEASONS by-the-means-of the Spirit” that Paul has already defined as “by-the-means-of tongues.”  This is why Jude says that this “builds us up in our most Holy Faith in order to ‘carefully watch/observe to keep guarded’ ourselves in the Unconditional-Love of God.”

 

Throughout the New Testament history, the Church Fathers up until 430 AD, and in every revival since, ALL of the grace-gifts are present and flourishing to accomplish The Great Commission.  The Old Testament wasn’t even finished until 90 AD as political reaction to Christianity.  The New Testament wasn’t even finished until 325 AD also because of political pressures, though many segments of the Church to this day don’t agree.  The more you look into Bible Info, the more you realize there is NO WAY that could be “The Perfect that is coming” in order to justify Cessationism!  The New Testament writers say that “gramma writings are the palaiotes ‘old, antiquated, worn-out, useless, obsolete’ ministry but the ‘completely-different-in-kind, superior’ NEW way is by-the-means-of the Spirit.”

 

All the promises of the Old Testament about use being “taught by God” directly are fulfilled in the New Testament by The Promise of the “One is Your TeacherHoly Spirit!  The Writers would scream:  “You have the Anointing of the Holy & Righteous One, so you have absolutely-in-fact-NO need of anybody else teaching you.  Remain in Him” but “I am writing this to warn you about teachers that are deceiving you!”  It’s time to get back to “The One Teacher!”  It’s time for “Wisdom and Understanding and Knowledge thru Revelation by-the-means-of The Spirit.”  The Writers tell us this is the “true Milk of the Spirit” and “solid food to become mature on,” not the OLD “milk” of learning writings of the Law that is 97.4% or even prophetic oracles of 2.6% of the Old Testament.  Now we “learn about God’s Will through the gymnasium-like practice of discernment” – it’s no longer spelled out for us like we were still in kindergarten!

 

This means we must be Christ’s “Sheep who actually listen/hear-to-understand/know My Voice” by His “directly-spoken/heard rhema words that are Spirit and zoe genuine-life” that “come out of the mouth of God that we can zoa genuinely-live by” than “never come back void but accomplish exactly what I send them out to do!”  The New Covenant Way is NO LONGER “reading, writing, and arithmetic” – no longer relying on the “might and power” of reading, analyzing, comprehending, memorizing, and debating gramma writings collected 100s to 1000s of years later into books, even called graphe scripture by religious men, but instead “The Way” of “By-the-means-of My Spirit” says the Lord!  The grace-gifts are that!

 

And you can’t ‘cherry-pick’ which of them you still are applicable.  It’s ALL or nothing, because when you say NO, you say NO to the Person of the Holy Spirit and that “quenches the Holy Spirit.”  You are saying, “Get out of my house!”  But God “opposes the proud/arrogant but give His grace to the humble/teachable.”  We see Church Fathers realizing this all thru history – if you say NO to any grace-gifts, you kick the Spirit out, you don’t end up with the fruit of the Spirit either!  The flip-side is that if you flourish in grace-gifts, you flourish in the fruit!  It’s because you are saying YES to the Spirit controlling your life.  It’s all about surrendering control and having trusting-relying-faith.

 

We have been freed or released from the “abolished” old way!  The writers would scream:  “But now that you have come to experientially, relationally ginosko know God, rather however having been experientially, relationally ginosko known by God,  how do you presently/ongoingly turn-back AGAIN to these asthenes ‘weak, impotent, worthless, beggarly-poor’ and/coupled ptochos ‘deeply destitute and helpless like a crouching or cowering beggar’ stoicheion ‘elementary or rudimentary ‘abc’ fundamental principles of the world, even its religions, even Judaism’, whose slaves you want to be once more?”

 

Watch out for the diabolical doctrine of Cessationism!  It’s in a slew of bibles and churches.  It will rob you of God’s promised genuine-life by-the-means-of the Spirit because these words come directly from the mouth of Christ, not from dusty old letters.  “Living water” must be “fresh, running, and flowing” to be “life-giving.”  Once it sits for very long, it can actually be deadly!  You have to drink from the “living and active Logos Word of God” that is “Jesus Christ, the Logos of God,” but we do this by “listening/hearing His rhema directly-spoken/heard Word of God” that alone “produces trusting-relying-faith.”  We still must be “all taught by God.”

 

Then we can be like the apostles and prophets who preach/witness the gospel logos message effectively with demonstrable-proofs of signs, wonders, miracles, and grace-gifts that confirm the message,” proving that “God really is among you!”  Otherwise we are NOT “fully preaching/witnessing the gospel” but on your own with a powerless, “form or appearance of godliness but denying its power” message.  Then you will resort to dogma, doctrine, creeds, theology, and apologetics to try to “defend the faith” and convince people into the kingdom.  But the Catholic Church failed because assimilation is NOT conversion and defense is NOT offense, and you can’t win a game with just defense, no matter how strong you try to make it.

 

Christian water-baptism originally included the expectation that you would be Spirit-Baptized so that you would be “filled to overflowing” with the “grace-gifts of the Holy Spirit” for personal enabling-power but also for Body-Ministry and witness to the end of the ages.  We still have a huge Spiritual battle so why are we refusing to be properly equipped? Once you close the door on the Holy Spirit, you start trying to manufacture the results with your own “might and power” and then you are right back to the religion of the Old Testament.  That is much of Church history after about 200 AD except for revivals.  If we don’t learn from history we are bound to repeat their mistakes.  Just look at our government!

 

 

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BT14:  Cessationism forbidding of tongues or despising prophecy will Quench the Spirit and retard the gospel’s effectiveness

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Paul warns Christians against doing either of these as certain ways toquench the Holy Spirit” instead of “zealously-desiring the Spirit-kind-of grace-gifts” (b) or  “zealously-desiring the meizon ‘greater in value’ (a) grace-gifts” (b) or “de mallon ‘however even-better to prophecy” than even Paul “presently/ongoingly thelo optimally-desired them ALL to speak in tongues” (b), and that those who do so are “meizon more valuable to others” (a) than the ones who speak in tongues unless someone interprets so that [in either case] the church-assembly may be built up” (b) or “[I strongly urge you to] zealously-desire to prophesy and/coupled to in-possibility-NOT forbid tongues” (b).  If tongues is Paul’s optimal desire for them ALL and prophecy even tops that as “greater,” why would Christians not zealously pursue either?  <Notes> a) meizon: ‘more than megas great in size, weight, age, degree, strength, ability, authority, virtue, etc. but here in the importance/value of their grace-gift to others.  Meizon is also used in 1 Corinthians 13:13 of unconditional-love compared to trusting-relying-faith and elpis ‘hope, expectant faith for the future,’ but not as much as megistos ‘ultimate’ used only in 2 Peter 1:4 of God’s promises to us, b) 1 Thessalonians 5:19-20; 1 Corinthians 14:1, 12:31 [later, less reliable manuscripts of the KJV have kreitton ‘more excellent, better’], 14:5, 14:39.

 

Paul proves that God has appointed for the entire Church Age (a) prophecy and tongues as grace-gifts (b).  Prophecy is a proving-sign that builds up the Body-of-Christ, as also Body-ministry tongues can be if interpreted (c).  However, tongues can also build oneself up in their eulogeo ‘eulogizing prayers of thanksgiving’ and spontaneous psalming to the Lord, just as Paul boasts for himself and desires for them (d), even though tongues regarding ministry is a proving-sign for unbelievers to have trusting-relying-faith in the gospel (e).  Paul is clear that there are 3 major ‘intended audiences’ and thus 3 purposes for the 3 genos ‘families/kinds/sorts of’ glossa tongues/languages with 3 different sets of advice!  See also Tongues – BT4, Tongues – BT6, and – BT7.  <Notes> a) Last days/times, end of the age(s):  1 Peter 1:20; Hebrews 1:2, 9:26; Acts 2:17, 39; 1 Corinthians 10:11; 2 Timothy 3:1; James 5:3; 2 Peter 3:3, until it’s finality at the great harvest when the Church is “raptured/removed” before the Judgement of the earth:  Matthew 13:39-40, 49; 24:3, 28:20, b) 1 Corinthians 12:10, 28, c) 1 Corinthians 14:5-6, 22, d) 1 Corinthians 14:14-16, 18, e) 1 Corinthians 14:22.

 

Cessationists who say the miraculous gifts of the Spirit ‘ceased’ are breaking every rule of biblical interpretation, and Church history completely invalidates their position – see Spirit-Baptism – BT3.  From Pentecost on, God’s Holy Spirit through the authority of the name of Jesus Christ has never stopped being poured out upon people in order to “work with us, accompany, and confirm” the gospel logos message per Mark’s account of the Great Commission (a).  The apostles never reached “the ends of the earth” in Luke’s account (b) nor “the end of the age” of Matthew’s account (c).  “All the promises of God find their ‘Yes’ in Him” per 2 Corinthians 1:20.  The mission is the same and so are the means to accomplish it! <Notes> a) Mark 16:15-20, b) Acts 1:8, c) Matthew 28:18-20.

 

Since the mission hasn’t been completed, the need for God to “work with us, accompany, and confirm” His gospel logos message still remains, and since the authority of Jesus’ name hasn’t changed, I can see no reason why the “signs, wonders, and healings” of the early Church shouldn’t be happening wherever the gospel logos message is preached and there is trusting-relying-faith by its preachers, per Mark 16:17.  And in fact, it happens all the time, especially in the mission field where the Church isn’t so much for entertaining the believers as it is in America, but where the mission is still to reach the lost and ‘equip’ the saints for service to reach the lost. These are the “front lines” where God is doing battle to win people’s souls!  Wouldn’t He be there doing His mighty works to give authority to His gospel logos message of The Truth of Jesus being preached?  Sure He would!

 

Jesus had already told them “I am sending ‘The Promise’ of My Father upon you, but stay in Jerusalem until you are clothed with enabling-power from on high” (a). So Luke further records after the resurrection, “while Jesus was staying with them, He ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to perimeno ‘remain all-around, enduringly even thru difficulty’ for ‘The Promise’ of the Father that you have heard from Me [many times earlier], for although John baptized (b) with water, you shall indeed be baptized (b) by-the-means-of the Holy Spirit not many days from now” (c).  So Peter says in Acts 2:33, 38-39, “Having received ‘The Promise’ of the Holy Spirit, which He has poured out, this is what you yourselves are seeing and hearing (d). . . .Therefore, repent (e) kai and/coupled/thus be water-baptized every one of you in the name/authority of Jesus Christ eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ the forgiveness of your sins (f). And moreover, you shall actually lambano ‘grab a hold of to receive’ the dorea free-gift of the Holy Spirit, for ‘This Promise’ is for you and/coupled for your children and/also for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to Himself.”  That sure sounds indefinite to me!  Furthermore, based on the context, this gift clearly comes with supernatural grace-gifts! <Notes> a) Luke 24:49, b) baptizo: transformational immersion in any liquid, even cucumbers in vinegar changed into pickles – water for water-baptism and “the living water” Holy-Spirit for Spirit-Baptism, c) Acts 1:4-5, d) this isn’t an invisible, quiet ‘deposit’ dropped off to many Christians that churches say that you just have to “take by faith” actually happened.  That’s what the Church of Christ told me.  No!  This is clearly manifested in context by prophecy and tongues, e) metanoia:  turn your mind’s direction back, f) clearly repentance and/coupled water-baptism are required for forgiveness of sins in order to save you – see 1 Peter 3:21.

 

In 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 Paul doesn’t even hint that any of the “grace-gifts into us, services/ministries thru us, and energetically-effective work in others by-the-means-of the Spirit” of vv. 12:4-6 will “pass away” in v. 13:8 during the Church Age as Cessasionists claim, but Paul is simply emphasizing that agape unconditional-love will “never end,” even after Paul says “the perfect (Christ) comes” in v. 13:10, and so must in v. 13:13 “remain as the meizon greatest, larger, stronger of these [faith-in-the-present, faith-in-the-future-hope, and agape love]” during our Church life throughout the Church Age.

 

After talking at length in chapter 13 about agape unconditional-love, Paul is NOT pitting “the dioko ‘earnest/zealous pursuit/chase like a hunter’ of agape unconditional-loveagainstzeloo zealously-desiring the Spirit-kind-of grace-gifts, de mallon indeed-now-especially that you might presently/ongoingly prophesy,” just as elsewhere Paul says to “zeloo zealously-desire prophecy as mega greater” or “de mallon ‘however even-better” than even him “presently/ongoingly thelo optimally-desiring them ALL to speak in tongues” (a), and Paul is certainly not saying to despise prophecy at risk of quenching the Spirit (b).  NO, Paul uses a conjunction de between these 2 “zeals” for unconditional-love and grace-gifts, which has a wide range of meaning “but, moreover, rather, indeed now, next, so then, on top of that.”  Paul is simply transitioning to the next subject of chapter 14, not saying that chapter 13 negates chapter 14 but must be incorporated as the main motivation behind all the grace-gifts for effective Body-Ministry, even whether it’s unconditional-love for God in your prayers in tongues directed to God that also build you up, your messages of tongues in the church-assembly to build them up by your service/ministry to them, or your preaching/witness to unbelievers in tongues as a proving-sign.  It’s not an ‘either-or’ but a ‘both-and’ in the mind of Paul with unconditional-love saturating everything.  <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 12:31, 14:5, 39, b) 1 Thessalonians 5:19-20.

 

We see the history of the Church bearing that truth of Continuationism:   Paul lays hands on people, the Holy Spirit comes on them, and they begin speaking in tongues and prophesying (a).  We see woman prophets in the Church (b) as Paul teaches about “every wife who prays or prophesies” (c).  Sure Paul says in 1 Corinthians 13:10 that “We prophesy in part, de however when to teleion the [neuter, singular] perfect ‘completed-end-aim of the parts’ comes, the [neuter, singular] meros ‘part of the complete-whole’ ek out-from [the perfect whole] shall actually [passively] be katargeo ‘cease’ (d).”  The Sola Scriptura “By Scripture Alone” Cessationists say the completed canon of the bible is “The Perfect coming,” But is that really true?  <Notes> a) Acts 19:6, b) Acts 21:9, c) 1 Corinthians 11:5, d) katargeo: down-from/according-to made inactive/idle, emphatically/totally made of no effect/without force/inoperative, done away with, ceased so abolished, invalidated, abrogated, brought to nothing, therefore released from it.

 

Paul explains in 1 Corinthians 13:11 that now we blepo ‘physically, watchfully or observantly see’ presently dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of a polished-metallic-mirror in/by/with a [singular] ainigma ‘obscure thing, enigma,’ however then-at-an-indefinite-future-time [physical] face pros ‘toward and interfacing with’ [physical] face.”  Paul is not talking about facing pages in a New Testament that wouldn’t be officially voted into place under enormous political pressure the Roman Emperor Constantine over 300 years later, but facing Jesus Christ as Paul will explain!  Paul wrote 51% of the New Testament and even with all his prophetic insight, this was certainly “a polished-metallic-mirror” in comparison with being “face to face” with Jesus!  As a Pharisee expert bible-student, Paul knew exactly what it meant to serve God by-the-means-of God’s gramma writings sporadically collected over 1500 years into graphe scripture and talks often about his previous zeal.  The Old Testament canon wasn’t even finally agreed upon until 90 AD, clearly because of the destruction of the temple, scattering of the Jews, and the threat of Christianity.  Again, political expediency!

 

But now in Romans 7:6, Paul declares: “Now however we have already been katargeo ‘released from what was abolished’ (a) from the Law, already having died-away-from by-the-means-of that which we were continually bound by, in order for us to presently/ongoingly douleuo ‘serve as a slave, willing like a bond-servant’ by-the-means-of [singular] kainotes ‘completely-different-in-kind, superior newness’ of/belonging-to [singular] Spirit, kai and/but absolutely-in-fact-NOT [by-the-means-of] the palaiotes ‘oldness, antiquatedness, worn-out quality of, uselessness, obsoleteness’ of/belonging to [singular] gramma writing.” <Notes> a) katargeo: down-from/according-to made inactive/idle, emphatically/totally made of no effect/without force/inoperative, done away with, ceased so abolished, invalidated, abrogated, brought to nothing, therefore released from it.

 

Paul could be referring to just the Law, but 97.4% of the Old Testament is either the Law or based on it, and everything Paul writes about regarding “serving/ministering by-the-means-of the Spirit” has to do with the rhema ‘directly-spoken/heard word’ of God that involves speaking-types-of grace-gifts like tongues, interpretation, prophecy, messages of knowledge, messages of wisdom, and discerning the will of God through ‘gymnasium-like’ practice – not book-learning!  Romans 8 and Galatians 5 is all about the Holy Spirit directly causing you to ‘walk, be led, and keep in step’ with IT, so as 1 John 2:20, 27 says “because of the Anointing, you have absolutely-in-fact-NO need of any teacher” or presumably the gramma writings that ALL rabbis teach from.  Jesus never asked for anything to be written down, which is radically different from any rabbi that has ever lived!

 

In fact, Paul prays in Colossians 1:9 for God “to fill-to-completion them with the genuine, experiential, relational epignosis knowledge of His will by-the-means-of pas all-kinds-of wisdom and/coupled sunesis ‘connect-the-dots’ understanding of [singular] Spirit” and in Ephesians 1:17 that God “may give you the Spirit of wisdom and/coupled of revelation by-the-means-of the genuine, experiential, relational epignosis knowledge of Him.”  There is no bible-study here!  See also New Covenant Ways – BT16 and Bible Info – BT2, and Least Among You – BT8.  See Tongues – BT11.

 

A careful survey of the New Testament clearly indicates the palaiotesoldness, antiquatedness, worn-out quality of, uselessness, obsoleteness’ of relying on any kind of gramma writing to yada/ginosko experientially, relationally know God or His will.  Hebrews 10:17 cites Jeremiah 31:31-34 which makes that exact point – biblical writings and teachers of it never worked produced the desired results for the old covenant, so God went direct for the completely-different-in-kind NEW Covenant with eido ‘mentally ‘seeing’ prophetic vision-type of understanding/knowing’ for all of His people, exactly as Acts 2:17-19 says through prophetic horao visions and dreams!

 

Paul explains more:  “Currently I presently/ongoingly experientially, relationally ginosko know ek out-from a [neuter, singular] meros ‘part of the complete-whole.’  He is not talking about gnosis informational-knowledge about God from bible-study that he acquired a lot of as a Pharisee of Pharisees nor would he ever want anybody to be bible-students of his writings that make up 51% of the New Testament.  It only makes you a fan!  Not a Fan by Kyle Idleman is a great book!  Furthermore, he knows that regardless of the grace-gift you have from the Spirit, even as valuable as prophecy was, it is just “1 member” of “many members” in the Body-of-Christ to having experiential, relational ginosko knowledge of Jesus, because Christ is the “whole the parts belong to,” and so this earthly stage will always be incomplete.

 

Paul continues:de however then-at-a-later-time I shall fully & genuinely, experientially, relationally epiginosko know, kathos kai ‘just as, according the manner in which also’ I have already-been fully & genuinely, experientially, relationally epiginosko known” (d).  Paul usually only uses this intensive form of ginosko when arguing against Jewish bible-scholars and Gentile Gnostics to prove they don’t have “the real-thing” genuine relational knowledge, but here he recognizes that when he is “face to face” with Jesus his experiential, relational knowledge of Jesus will be ‘full’ to the same degree as he is already “fully known” by Jesus.

 

No book can ever give us this knowledge and no amount of prophetic insight either!  We have to wait until we are changed into His likeness!  Until then, Peter quoted the prophet Joel on Pentecost in Acts 2:17-19 that ONLY said that “prophecy, even thru horao ‘envisioning’ visions and dreaming dreams” (a) was the singular way God would speak to His “men and woman servants in the last Days” Church Age.  Nothing else is mentioned!  Now wonder Paul so emphasized this 1 grace-gift as being “even more so” to zealously-desire! <Notes> a) horao horasis: generally to observe with the eyes, implying attention, concern, or heed, sometimes being acquainted through experience, but often emphasizing an eido mental ‘seeing’ to perceive/know with a discerning or ‘weighing-in’ mind.  Eido prophetic knowledge is the uniqueness of the New Covenant per Jeremiah 31:34 cited in Hebrews 10:17.  This is very similar to optanomai: gaze in awe with wide-open eyes upon used in Matthew 5:8; John 16:22; Romans 15:21; Acts 13:31; 1 John 3:2 or katoptrizo that is kataptron mirror + a derivative of optanomai = gaze in awe with wide-open eyes as in a mirror used only in 1 Corinthians 3:18.

 

We know also from Paul’s other writings that “The Perfect” is Jesus Christ and His coming is our “blessed hope” when prophetic insight is no longer needed (a).  This has nothing to do with the canon of the New Testament coming that wasn’t actually decided upon, even through much disagreement by Catholic Church councils, until 367-397 AD.  So much of the New Testament is about the anticipation of Christ’s Second Coming!  Jesus is the only “The Perfect that is coming” just as Hebrews says (b):  “Being made Perfect, He became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey Him . . . a Son who has been made Perfect forever. . . But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more Perfect ‘tent/tabernacle’ (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation). . . “a High Priest . . . who in every respect has been tempted as we are yet without sin.”  Jesus is “the Holy and Righteous One” (c), “the Holy One of God” (d) or just “the Holy One” (e) or “the Holy One, the True One” (f).  It’s preposterous to think the bible is “The Perfect that is coming” especially after you read Bible Info<Notes> a) Titus 2:13; Ephesians 1:12; Colossians 1:27; Galatians 5:5; Romans 8:11, 23-25, Philippians 3:11, 21; Colossians 3:4, cf. 1 Peter 1:3, b) Hebrew 5:9, 7:28, 9:11, 4:15 c) Acts 3:14, d) Mark 1:24; Luke 4:34; John 6:69, e) Acts 2:27, 13:35; 1 John 2:20; Revelation 16:5, f) Revelation 3:7.

 

All through the history of revival you see the same pattern: authoritative teacher-leaders criticizing, resisting, and even persecuting the supernatural grace-gifts of the Spirit, carefully ‘cherry-picking the low-hanging fruit’ of what grace-gifts of the Spirit they want to recognize, and pounding home Sola Scriptura “By Scripture Alone” as if the bible is “The Perfect that is coming” in order to justify the exclusion of the supernatural Holy Spirit for their day.  Today is no different!  So how does God react to all this resistance and downright disobedience?

 

God “opposes/stands-firm against the proud/unteachable but gives unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace to the lowly/teachable” (a). Some of these objectors finally “wake up to smell the coffee,” but many don’t!  The early Church Father Irenaeus around 200 AD said that churches who were rejecting the supernatural manifestations of charismata grace-gifts of the Holy Spirit were also the ones devoid of the Holy Spirit’s fruit, like “a leafless terebinth, and as a garden without an abater (plower) – such men are of no use to God, in that they can bear no fruit.”  The Holy Spirit is the only way the garden of our lives can be cultivated and watered!  To quench or suppress any [singular] meros ‘part of the complete-whole’ of Christ’s “grace-gifts into us, services/ministries thru us, and energetically-effective work in others” by-the-means-of His Spirit is to shut The Person of The Spirit out completely – the very definition of “quenching the Holy Spirit!” <Notes> a) James 4:6; 1 Peter 5:5 citing Proverbs 3:34.

 

The Cessationists, like the Church of Christ that I was saved in, the Baptists, Anglican, Associate Confessional Reformed, Presbyterians, Calvinists, and others don’t believe in the supernatural dunamis enabling-power and ongoing prophetic revelation of the Holy Spirit.  They say that all of that died out with the apostles or with the creation of the New Testament.  The say that the Continuationism of the Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists, Moravians, Pentecostals, Charismatics, Four-Square, and Full-Gospel churches is wrong.  See also Wikipedia’s “Cessationism versus Continuationism.

 

Many other Church Fathers documented the charismata grace-gifts of the Spirit!  The Didache or “Teaching of the Twelve Apostles,” written between 50-120 AD treated prophecy as standard fair, even giving rules to test prophets who “speak in the Spirit.”  Justin Martyr around 155 AD, said the “prophetic gifts formerly belonging to the Jews (i.e, the OT Prophets) are now at work in the Church” as well as other charismata grace-gifts.”

 

The Shepherd of Hermas, written around 140–150 AD, consists of five prophetic visions, and was considered canon by some of the early Church Fathers, also quoted by Pope Callixtus 1 as having authority, was part of the New Testament’s Codex Sinaiticus and is in the lists of New Testament books in the Codex Claromontanus, having thus had great authority in the 2nd and 3rd centuries.  Here we see that what was considered the Church’s bible varied greatly over time – see Bible Info!

 

Irenaeus around 180 AD said: “It is impossible to name the number of all charismata, which the church, dispersed throughout the whole world, has received from God, in the name of Jesus Christ.  In like manner, we also hear that many brethren in the Church, who have prophetic charismata, speak in all kinds of tongues through the Spirit and reveal the hidden things of people, for their benefit and explain the mysteries of God.  For some [of Christ’s true disciples] do certainly and truly drive out demons, so that those who are thus cleansed from the evil spirits often believe and join the church. Others have foreknowledge of future things, they see visions and utter prophetic words.  Others heal the sick by laying their hands upon them and let them rise up healthy. Moreover, as we have said, the dead even have been raised up and lived with us for many years.”  Irenaeus continues: “Others do not accept the grace-gifts of the Holy Spirit and cast the prophetic charismata far from their sight, through which man, when he is sprinkled with it, bears the life of God as fruit.  Citing Isaiah 1:30, he continues: “They, like a terebinth tree that has lost all its leaves and like a garden without water’ . . . have no use for God, because they bear no fruit.”  I couldn’t agree more!  The churches I’ve been in that reject the gifts have to “work really hard” to show any signs of life!

 

Tertullian around 200 AD says the charismata grace-gifts were such common practice in Carthage that at a person’s water-baptism, he suggests they also: “Ask from the Lord, as a special grace-gift of His, the distributions of the charismata.”  Spirit-Baptism or Filling was expected to occur during water-baptism because there is only “One Baptism” per Ephesians 4:5.  Other writings that mention the charismata grace-gifts are those by Firmilian (c. 232), Cyprian (c. 258), Hippolytus (c.170-236), Clement of Alexandria (c.150-215), Origen (c.185-254), Ephraem Syrus (c.306-373), Eusebius (c. 260-340), Chrysostom (c. 347-407), and near the end of St. Augustine’s life (c. 430) he said that some of the grace-gifts of the Holy Spirit such as healing were present during his own lifetime and within his own geographical region of North Africa.

 

Regarding revivals throughout history, there is much written about the “outpouring of the Spirit, and Spirit possession” in Wikipedia’s article on Christian Revival.  The Encyclopedia Britannica says that spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues has occurred in Christian revivals of every age. In the same vein, Souer’s History of the Christian Church cites a reference to the famed leader of the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century, stating, “Dr. Martin Luther was a prophet, evangelist, speaker in tongues, and interpreter all in one person, endowed with all the gifts of the Spirit.” The history of revivals since then also prove that the miraculous grace-gifts continued throughout the Church Age, making the Cessationists dead wrong – see Cure of All Ills by Dr. Mary Stewart Relfe and Spirit-Baptism-BT3!

 

The damaging “wind of doctrine” called “Cessationism” that believes “the Holy Spirit’s grace-gifts ceased with the original apostles” obviously can’t be true, yet you will still see this doctrinal bias in the notes of many study bibles, like the Reformation Study BibleThe MacArthur Study BibleScofield III Reference BibleHolman Christian Study BibleRyrie Study BibleNKJV Study Bible, and Hebrew-Greek Key Word Study Bible.

 

However, some study bibles are more encouraging of the modern experience or “Continuationism” of the charismata grace-gifts such as:  NKJV Spirit-Filled Life BibleKJV Life in the Spirit Study BibleDake’s Annotated Reference BibleModern English Version, Spirit-led Woman BibleMEV Spiritual Warfare BibleNIV Full Life Study Bible, and NIV Word in Life Study Bible.  I particularly like the English Standard Version Study Bible (ESV) because it is a formal-equivalence standard for scholarly interpretation and doctrine, and the notes are neutral concerning the charismata for today.  The Passion Translation (TPT) text and notes are fantastic!

 

Could this be why Paul warned the Church against such suppression (a), and stressed to “earnestly desire to prophesy, and in-possibility-NOT forbid speaking in tongues” (b)?  How can churches “cherry pick” what they want to obey out of the NT?  <Notes> a) 1 Thessalonians 5:19, b) 1 Corinthians 12:31, 14:1, 5, 39.

 

Cessationism is actually a “doctrine of demonstaught by powerless men to keep Christians powerless! by quenching the Holy Spirit. 2 Timothy 3:5 was written about them:  “having the form/appearance of godliness but denying the dunamis supernatural, enabling-power of it.  Avoid such people.”

 

The early Church writers said you can’t separate the grace-gifts or signs & wonders from the fruit of the Spirit, because excluding the former is “cutting yourself off from the Vine so that you cannot bear fruit” (a).  The Holy Spirit is a person of God that you either dechomai ‘warmly welcome’ into your house or don’t.  You can’t take bit and pieces of the Spirit!  The indwelling Spirit wasn’t a doctrine that you had to simply take by trusting-relying-faith – simply confessing the creeds and dogma that a later powerless Church came up with!  When the Spirit came into a new believer, there were overwhelming experiences of unconditional-love, joy, peace, and exuberate worship, most often with proving-signs of supernatural tongues and prophecy, which is simply hearing, seeing, or feeling experiential, relational knowledge of the prophetic rhema words or phone Voice of Jesus, directly-spoken to you by-the-means-of the Holy Spirit, which you can then opt to speak back to God for relationship “eulogizing-thanksgiving, praise, and worship” or to others for Body-Ministry in church-assemblies or to unbelievers to confirm the gospel’s logos message<Notes> a) John 15:4-7.

 

“Demonstrable proofs by miraculous signs & wonders” was the only confirmation of the gospel logos message that God was “accompanying and working with them” in their preaching.  It was also the only proving-signs that “the Baptism of Filling of the Holy Spirit actually occurred to make a person a “New Creation” and thus saved after their water-baptism.  There wasn’t supposed to be any guessing or “you just have to take it by faith” that you were saved like the Church of Christ told me.  It was obvious to you and everybody else!  It sure was to me at my water-baptism, despite of the Church of Christ’s poor teaching, and has been obvious since with so many subsequent Spirit-Baptisms and prophetic God-messages!  A lot of so-called Christians will eventually find out that are not saved at all, though they may say they are.  The New Testament is full of people saying one thing, but the writers saying these people were tragically deceived.

 

In 2 Corinthians 10:5 in his gospel ministry, how do you think Paul “routinely was overthrowing arguments and every high thing routinely lifting-itself-up kata down-from/against the gnosis informational-knowledge of/belonging-to God?”  He directly links this by kai to “routinely taking every thought captive eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ the obedience of/belonging-to Christ.”  This is not about quarreling or using argumentative words, which Jesus didn’t even do (a) and that Paul prohibited (b).  The University of Arizona mall preachers from “The Door Church” really turned me off from their arguing with naysayers.  No, Paul didn’t use the world’s “fleshly” weapons back against them!   Instead he uses Spirit-kind-of warfare, “for the weapons of our warfare are not out of the flesh, but have God dunamis enabling-power to demolish strongholds.”  <Notes> a) Matthew 12:19, b) Romans 14:1; 2 Timothy 2:14, 23-24; Titus 3:2, 9.

 

Ephesians 6:10-20 is all about this Spirit-kind-of warfare, so we all need to learn this!  None of the weapons are used against people but against Satan and demons!  Paul explains his strategy:  “My logos message and preaching were absolutely-in-fact-NOT by plausible/persuasive logos messages of sophia wisdom (a) but instead by demonstrating-proof of the Spirit and/coupled dunamis enabling-power” (b).  It’s really hard to argue against the “signs and wonders” of God that should “accompany those who have trusting-relying-faith . . . speaking in new tongues . . . laying hands on the sick to recover . . . and they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the logos message by accompanying signs” (c).  I suspect the problems and ineffectiveness of most pulpit, street, and mall preaching is that they don’t believe or obey this, leaving them only with a “logos message that may be plausible/persuasive” to play on the same field using the same “fleshly” weapons of their enemy.  Futile!  <Notes> a) like the Gentile philosopher or Jewish Law debaters and mystic Kabbalists, b) 1 Corinthians 2:4, c) Mark 16:17-20.

 

 

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We know in John 4:23 Jesus said “true/genuine worshippers shall actually worship the Father by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit and/coupled [singular] Truth, for kai and/also the Father is presently/ongoingly seeking such ones to routinely worship Him.”  We also know from 1 Corinthians 14:14-15 that “proseuchomai praying and psalming (a) by-the-means-of the Spirit of/belonging-to us is unique from doing these 2 actions by-the-means-of the mind of/belonging-to us, because in the latter case our mind would be “fruitful/productive” in creating words that are “intelligible” to us, but in the former case our mind produces “unintelligible words” per 1 Corinthians 14:9, thus the need for interpretation if we or others want to know their exact content.  And we know from v. 14:14 that “presently/ongoingly proseuchomai praying by-the-means-of a glossa tongue/language” means “the Spirit of/belonging-to me is presently/ongoing proseuchomai praying not the mind of/belonging-to me.”  Paul applies this to psalming and decides to do both!  Why don’t we?  <Notes> a) instrumentally with or without words.

 

Psalming is a key term used for the worship of God!  Key passages such as Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16 of Body-Ministry during church-assembly that speak of being “filled-to-completion [us] by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit” and also “allowing the [gospel] logos message of Christ [to] dwell in us richly” includes “psalms, hymns (a), and Spirit-kind-of odes (b).”  In Acts 16:25 Paul and Silas routinely proseuchomai conversationally-prayed and were continually singing hymns while in prison and that’s when they were supernaturally released!  According to James 5:13 if we are suffering, then we should proseuchomai conversationally-pray, but if cheerful, then we should psalm.  <Notes> a) Matthew 26:30; Mark 14:26; Acts 16:25; Hebrews 2:12, b) odes: psalms or hymns done spontaneously as completely-different-in-kind “new songs” instead of being pre-composed.

 

In Romans 15:9 when restating his gospel mission to the Gentile world for them to glorify God for His mercy by including them for salvation, Paul cites Psalms 18:49 about praising God and/coupled psalming to His name!  In Revelation 5:9, 14:3 the throng of Christians before the throne of God will be presently/ongoingly ado ‘psalming or hymning’ a kainos completely-different-in-kind-of ode ‘psalm or hymn.’  This will be like David’s chadash shiyr/atos kainos completely-different-in-kind-of “New songs” (a).  Praise the Lord!  Certainly, this is “worship by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit” that the “Father is presently/ongoingly seeking!”  See also Spontaneous Music-BT5, – BT6, and – BT7 for more about Spirit-kind-of odes and New Songs. <Notes> a) Psalms 33:3, 40:3, 96:1, 98:1, 144:9, 149:1 and Isaiah 42:10.

 

“The New Song” likely occurred during tehillah/epainos ‘enthusiastic, fitting acknowledgment/recognition for what deserves high praise, adoration, and thanksgiving’ (a), which can also include instruments as with mizmorzamar/psalmos psalms.  Psalms 92:1 relates mizmor-zamar/psallo psalming to shiyr/ode songs (hymns or psalms) so that you can see in this he is referring to spontaneous instrumental worship with singing.  Psalms 150 includes even more Hebrew/Greek words for vocal praise and using various instruments.  Psalms 22:3 says of God:  “You [are] qadosh holy-set apart-pure, [You are] yashab continually sitting-on-a-throne/inhabiting-dwelling-in-a-house, the [plural] tehillah/epainos high praises of Israel.”  Many verses show that God dwells in many places, but evidently was dwelling in this highest of praise!  We see this same promise in the Hebrew idiom for worship of proserchomai ‘draw near’ to God in Hebrews 4:16, 7:25, 10:1, 22, 11:6, 12:18, 22; 1 Peter 2:4, and here in James 4:8 eggizo ‘draw extremely close beside’:  “[I strongly urge you to] definitively/wholly eggizo ‘draw extremely close beside’ to God kai and/then He shall actually eggizo ‘draw extremely close beside’ to you.”  This is where anointed-by-God’s-presence, prophetic, and spontaneous worship music occurs!  <Notes> a) Psalms 22:3, 34:1, 40:3, 66:2, 2 Chronicles 20:22; Ephesians 1:6, 12, 14; Philippians 1:11; 4:8; cf. 1 Peter 1:7.

 

Tongues are also spontaneous and not pre-composed because they don’t come from a “fruitful/productive mind,” according to Paul in 1 Corinthians 14:14-15, but instead “the Spirit of/belonging-to me is presently/ongoingly proseuchomai conversationally-praying,” and so Paul determines that he will not only “pray and psalm by-the-means-of the mind of/belonging to me,” but also do the same “by-the-means-of the Spirit of/belonging-to me.”  Shouldn’t we do the same?  That means some pre-composed odes (psalms or hymns) can be played/sung “by-the-mind of/belonging-to us” for worship, but we can also play/sing a spontaneously chadash/kainos completely-different-in-kind, superior “New ode” or a “Spirit-kind-of” ode!”  This is exactly why Paul includes all possibilities with the phrase “psalms, hymns, and Spirit-kind-of odes” for what Christians should bring for Body-Ministry to their church-assembly in Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16 as we saw above!

 

Tongues happen “by-the-means-of-the Spiritspontaneously during tehillah/epainos high praise.’  The clear evidence of Spirit-Baptism or Filling of 120 people who were steadfastly waiting in Jerusalem in devoted proseuche conversational-prayer in Acts 1:14, so very likely a key precursor, was that they “began to presently/ongoingly speak in heteros ‘others of a different kind of’ glossa tongues/languages kathos ‘down-from/according-to the extent/degree of, corresponding to fully/exactly as’ the Spirit edidou ‘[continually] was giving/granting-as-a-gift, supplying/furnishing, enduing’ to them to presently/ongoingly apophtheggomai to ‘speak/utter out/forth or pronounce/declare to make a generic/unintelligible sound resembling the whinny of a horse” in Acts 2:4, which for so many Jews from every nation gathered there for the festival turned out to be in Acts 2:11 “we akouo hear-to-understand/know them routinely speaking in/by/with our-very-own glossa tongues/languages the megaleios ‘magnificent, excellent, splendid, wonderful things’ of God.”  Certainly this is like tehillah/epainos ‘enthusiastic, fitting acknowledgment/recognition for what deserves high praise, adoration, and thanksgiving’ above!

 

The proof to Peter that the Gentiles were being added to the kingdom of God “just as we have” in Acts 10:44-47 was that even during Peter’s preaching of the gospel logos message to them, “the Holy Spirit fell on all . . . they were amazed because the grace-gift of the Holy Spirit had been [with ongoing effects] poured out even on the Gentiles, for they were continually akouo hearing-to-understand/know them routinely speaking by-the-means-of tongues and/coupled megaluno ‘making/declaring as great/conspicuous, magnifying, esteeming-highly, extolling, lauding, celebrating, giving glory/praise’ God.”  This spontaneous megaluno High Praise is what came from Mary after she visited Elizabeth and her baby John the Baptist leaped in her belly and “she was filled by-the-means-of the Holy Spirit.”  The presence of God causes this!

 

In Acts 19:1-7 after Paul water-baptized 12 men from Ephesus, the time when people normally receive the grace-gift of the Holy Spirit, “when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came epi upon them, then they were-continually speaking by-the-means-of tongues kai and/coupled were-continually prophesying.”  Again we often see these included in “proving-signs,” just as Mark 16:17 does, which only are “accompanying those having routinely had trusting-relying-faith.”  If you are doubter in the supernatural, good luck!  Just a few verses later in Acts 19:11-17 after 7 sons of the Jewish high priest Sceva tried to exorcise demons like Paul was “in the name/authority of Jesus” and the evil spirit leaped out upon them and overpowered them causing them to flee wounded and naked, a great “fear fell upon the residents of Ephesus and the name of the Lord Jesus was-continually-being megaluno ‘made/declared as great/conspicuous, magnified, esteemed-highly, extolled, lauded, celebrated, glorified/praised’.”  More High Praise!

 

Do you think it’s any coincidence that Jesus connects routinely asking, seeking, and knocking for the “agathos ‘inherently or intrinsically good as excellent, distinguished, salutary, upright, honorable, useful, beneficial, suitable, advantageous’ things from the Father to [be given to] those who routinely aiteo subordinately-ask Him.”  These “good things from the Father” are in parallel with “the agathos ‘good’ doma ‘specific, beneficial bounty/present or gift’ of the Holy Spirit from the Father” in the Lord’s Prayer Model in Luke 11:13 and Matthew 7:11 (cf. James 1:17).  Clearly the final ‘action item’ for the routine ‘asking, seeking, and knocking’ for God’s “kingdom to come and will to be done on Earth as it is in heaven” in Luke 11:2 and Matthew 6:10 is “routinely asking . . . for the gift of the Holy Spirit.”  Every good teacher sums up their message with an ‘action item!’

 

Routinely being Spirit-Baptized or Filled is the only way to routinely be Spirit-empowered to actually bring “the kingdom to come . . . on earth.”  Otherwise we are only “wishing upon a star!”  But even before our FIRST of many routine requests throughout our lifetime, Jesus tells us to routinely practice worshiping:  “Father of us all, who is in heaven, [I strongly urge You to] Your name/person/authority presently/ongoingly hagiazo “be regarded as hagios special, separate, set-apart, consecrated, sanctified, pure or unmixed, or holy!”  We see this same “qadash/hagiazo sanctifying of God’s name” in Isaiah 29:23.  Certainly, this is also High Praise!  And from all the cases of doing this above, we often see “the agathos ‘crazy-good’ free-gift of the Holy Spirit” indeed being given again and again, and mega-praise with tongues and prophecy are often the proving-signs again and again!

 

Selah is another word possibly used for spontaneous praise-worship.   Many will tell you it means to pause and reflect.  This word is found in the Psalms of David and the book of Habakkuk.  Scholars have speculated its meaning since 270 B.C., when the Old Testament was translated into the Greek LXX.  Since the Psalms were actually songs set to instrumental music, many conclude that selah are simply directions to musicians, as thus not a sung word at all.  Rather, it told musicians to play louder or faster, reprise a verse, etc.  But a Jewish expert Suzanne Haik-Vantoura, offers a different, more fitting view. Her book, The Music of the Bible Revealed, written in French, states that selah was NOT an instruction to the musicians but to the singers, including the congregation.  In fact, she concludes that it is part of the actual lyrics. Though she gives no formal definition for the word, she believes that, like “Amen” at the close of a prayerselah stressed the importance or reality of what was previously sung, like people exuberantly respond “Praise the Lord!”

 

Personally, I believe from years of playing as an anointed musician that selah could have been an instruction “to be still/quiet to yada/ginosko experientially, relationally know I AM Elohim ‘the Plural Godhead’.”  This silence/motionless need not be filled with quiet piano playing!  It can interrupt the coming of the Lord’s Presence!  I and many others have witnessed this “in the flesh” directing of and/or playing of musicians that are NOT sensitive to the leading of the Holy Spirit.

 

However, when the Spirit of the Lord does come, He can spontaneously reveal Himself further thru prophetic lyrics, so others “can say ‘Amen’ to tongues of eulogeo “eulogizing by giving God eucharistia thanks/praise’ after being interpreted” as another case of High Praise (a) or giving someone a “logos message of wisdom or gnosis informational-knowledge” by-the-means-of the Spirit, as encouraged in church-assembly (b).  <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 14:16, b) 1 Corinthians 12:8.

 

In music of the world, the instruction in one’s music to allow for spontaneous, improvised music during a specified section is cadenza in the classical genre and vamp in most other genres, but I’m sure other countries have their own terms like improvvisare in Italian or improvizovat in Czechoslovakian!  Maybe selah is just the same idea but with God providing the music and/or lyrics of the psalm!  We certainly see anointed, prophetic, spontaneous instrumental music by this same kind of musicians throughout David’s collection of musicians and writing down of Psalms (a), so this is very possible!  I sure hope to Meet-Up with more like this!  Some music like Jazz is nearly spontaneously-generated from the beginning to the end, so maybe God has this in mind for us also!  God’s making of music is what this website is moving us to!  See Worship-BT1 for many Hebrew words and Worship-BT2 for many Greek words used in worship. Let’s do them all!  <Notes> a) 1 Chronicles 25:1; cf. Exodus 15:20; 2 Kings 3:15.

 

 

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The NT says God already knows what we will ask before we pray, and so we shouldn’t repeat phrases like the mantras of the Gentile religions who “believe to have religious, magical, or spirituals powers” such as Buddhism, Hinduism (even Yoga), Jainism, Sikhism, Japanese Shingon tradition, Taoism, and even Catholicism or use chanting prayers/songs to induce a trance-like state as in witchcraft prohibited by God or “supposing that they will heard by their many words” (a).  <Notes> a) Matthew 6:7.

 

Furthermore, Paul says that we can even groan or sigh without words and the Spirit will still intercede for us when we don’t know how to pray (a).  Nevertheless, Paul sets himself as an example to follow his thelo “optimal-desire” that they even “proseuchomai conversationally-pray and/also psalm” (b) primarily to God and “not hypocritically to be seen by men” (c) but to God by-the-means-of the Spirit of/belonging-to us by-the-means-of supernatural glossa tongues/languages and to do this in addition to regularly praying and/also psalming by-the-means of your mind (d). <Notes> a) Romans 8:26, b) instrumentally with or without words, c) Matthew 6:5-7, d) 1 Corinthians 14:2, 5, 14-15, 18.

 

In fact Paul says in Ephesians 6:18, “[I strongly urge you’all to] definitively/wholly [reflexively] dechomai ‘warmly-welcome’ the sword of/belonging-to the Spirit – which is presently/ongoingly [singular] rhema ‘directly-spoken/heard word’ of God (not a bible) – dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of pas ‘entirety of’ proseuche prayer and/coupled deesis supplication [by] routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying in every season by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit kai and/related eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ this-very-thing [by] routinely agrupneo ‘vigilantly watching’ by-the-means-of pas ‘entirety of’ proskarteresis ‘steadfast/prevailing/enduring strength from being pros towards and interfacing with [God]’ kai and/coupled deesis supplication peri ‘all-around-about’ pas ‘entirety of’ the saints” as key to “putting on the whole armor of God that you might dunamia be [reflexively or passively] powerfully-enabled to stand against the schemes of the devil” in v. 6:11.  From 1 Corinthians 14:14-15 we know this is “routinely praying by-the-means-of tongues,” which is related to directly akouo ‘hearing to understand/know’ from God in order to do battle against Satan.  There is nothing here about quoting bible verses back to Satan as I was taught – not wonder it wasn’t effective!

 

Consequently, just as Paul writes about “speaking by-the-means-of tongues as building oneself up” (a), Jude 1:20 says “[I strongly urge you to] tereo ‘carefully watch/observe to safely-guard, care-for/attend-to, firmly-hold/stand-in/maintain-a-present-state,’ yourselves in the Unconditional-Love of/belonging-to God, [by] routinely building yourselves up in your Most Holy Faith, [by] routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying by-the-means-of the Holy Spirit,” implying that routinely praying in tongues is integrally involved in routinely building yourself up as the way of ‘carefully-guarding-to-maintain yourselves in the Unconditional-Love of God, which is the presence of God Himself (b).  I would this is a really good reason to pray and psalm in tongues, just as Paul said he would do in 1 Corinthians 14:14-15!  <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 14:4, the context is praying with eulogizing-thanksgiving to God per v. 14:16, as does Acts 10:46, b) 1 John 4:8, 16; Galatians 5:22.

 

Therefore, it is possible Paul had tongues in mind in Romans 8:13-14, “But if by-the-means-of-the Spirit presently/ongoingly you’all-are-putting-to-death the misdeeds of the body, you’all shall actually zoa genuinely-live for as-many-as presently/ongoingly are-being-led by-the-means-of-the Spirit, these-ones presently/ongoingly are-defined-as/exist-as huios ‘mature-sons’ (a) of God.” He is encouraging true Christians from v. 8:9 to go ‘grow up with all its privileges,’ from their birth and childhood who: “presently/ongoingly exists-as/defined-as “absolutely-in-fact-NOT by-the-means-of flesh but-instead by-the-means-of the Spirit in-indeed [singular] Spirit of/belonging-to God dwells/houses within you, because if anyone presently/ongoingly holds-to-have absolutely-in-fact-NOT [singular] Spirit of/belonging-to Christ that one absolutely-in-fact-NOT presently/ongoingly exists-as/defined-as of/belonging-to Him.”  <Notes> a) no longer children no different than slaves, but like their father, and thus ready for their inheritance.

 

This also may indeed be The Key to the successful “transformed mind” Christian life in order that we may “dokimazo ‘test to prove genuine’ what the good, acceptable, and perfect will of God is” (a), “trying to dokimazo ‘test to prove genuine’ what is pleasing to the Lord” (b).  That’s why we see that in church-assemblies the interpretation of tongues can even “benefit others” by “bringing some revelation or gnosis knowledge or prophecy or teaching” (c).  Certainly this is part of the fulfillment of Jesus saying, “I will give you another parakletos (d) to be with you forever, that is, the Spirit of The Truth . . . You already experientially, relationally ginosko know Him for He dwells WITH you (e) kai and/then shall actually be IN you.”  There are several New Testament verses that say that Christ as the Holy Spirit is ALL of this NOW for us (f)!  The “will of God” is no longer so much explicitly-stated to learn ‘by rote’ as the little-children of the old covenant did, but to discern by-the-means-of the Holy Spirit – see Least Among You – BT8 and New Covenant Ways – BT16.  This angers Sola Scriptura “By Scripture Alone” students like I once was, but it’s still the truth<Notes> a) Romans 12:2, b) Ephesians 5:10, c) 1 Corinthians 14:6, d) Jesus was the first Parakletos: ‘Close-beside’ caller, summoner, or inviter; helper, succorer, or assistant; encouraging teacher, counselor, comforter, or consoler; defense-attorney, judicial-advocate, or court-intercessor, e) as Jesus, the first, f) John 14:16, 26, 15:26, 16:7; 1 John 2:1.

 

Jesus preached and taught then – and still does – by His Spirit with His directly-spoken/heard rhema words.  The NT writers say much more about examining, discerning, or scrutinizing the will of God by-the-means-of-the Spirit through continual practice in renewing one’s mind via routine watching, listening, and feeling proseuche conversational-prayer than they ever do explicitly stating the will of God as logos messages for Christians to read, study, and memorize.  The Church of Christ was dead wrong – no wonder they are so dead!

g them that were trying to deceive them, saying instead “you’all have been anointed by the Holy One (Christ), and so you’all already [with ongoing effects] eido mentally ‘seen’ to perceive/know (a term for prophetic vision) all-things . . . The anointing that you already have received from God presently/ongoingly meno ‘abides, remains, lives’ IN you (a reference to the Holy Spirit), and/thus you have absolutely-in-fact-NO need that ANYONE should teach you, but-instead just this same anointing actually, presently/ongoingly teaches you peri all-around-concerning ALL things, and/specifically is presently/ongoingly factually-true and/coupled is presently/ongoingly absolutely-in-fact-NOT a lie (directly attacking these deceiving teachers), kai moreover kathos ‘down-from/according-to the extent/degree of, corresponding to fully/exactly as’ it (the anointing) has actually already taught you, presently/ongoing meno ‘abide, remain, live’ in Him.”  That’s what Jesus told them in John 15:4 to do “to produce much fruit!”  It’s that simple!

 

John wasn’t trying to be their “Teacher” but “I write these things to you” to warn them about teachers they don’t need, teachers that were in fact going to deceive them!  Religious Christianity is all about following “special” pastor-teachers!  So few Christians are actually learning directly from Christ’s Spirit!  This has to change if there is any hope against deception!

 

If you really want to know the Lord and His will, then you will have to learn how to pray & psalm by-the-means-of the Spirit’s tongues like Paul “thelo ‘optimally-desires” for ALL of us.  And if you want to share God’s will to other Christians, than pray that you or another will get an interpretation, but even more so to prophecy.  And if you are desiring to preach/witness the gospel logos message, then ask the Lord to even interpret tongues directly within the unbelievers so that it will be a “proving-sign” that will produce saving trusting-relying-faith inside them.  Paul’s teachings clearly indicate 3 different audience, purposes, and practices of tongues – see Tongues – BT4..

 

 

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Ironically the gnosis informational-knowledge of God and His will that Jesus said the Jewish rabbis “diligently-searched the scriptures [erroneously] supposing that in them they could echo hold-to-have zoe genuine-life everlasting” (a) – see New Covenant-BT7, that even Gentiles boast that “all of us possess,” Paul says only “puffs up or swells their heads” (b).  Instead, what Paul prays for Christians to acquire is “to definitively/wholly, experientially, relationally ginosko know the unconditional-love of Christ that is huperballo ‘far-throwing, extremely surpassing’ [that] of/belonging to gnosis informational-knowledge in order that you may be filled-completion eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ ALL the abundant-fullness (the context of our filling) of God . . . [so I strongly urge you to] presently/ongoingly become filled-to-completion by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit,” which is Spirit-Baptism (c).  We must go deeper than bible-study – see Knowledge-BT2 and – BT8. Without this, we will be just as sinful as the scribes & Pharisees were – see Knowledge-BT9<Notes>  a) John 5:39, b) 1 Corinthians 8:1, c) Ephesians 3:19, 5:18.

 

As a humbled Pharisee of Pharisees, Paul had come to the point where he “counted ALL things [all his “might and power” education] to be a loss because of the huperecho ‘far-beyond holding-to-have’ of The Gnosis informational-knowledge of/belonging-to Christ Jesus my Lord, whom I have lost all things and/coupled counted them as excrement-rubbish” (a).  This is a direct attack of Gentile Gnosticism and the Secret Mystery religions but also of the rabbinical bible-study approach – see Knowledge – BT5.  Oh, that we would have the same epiphany!  See also Knowledge-BT1. <Notes> a) Philippians 3:8.

 

There is a completely-different-in-kind gnosis informational-knowledge and/coupled wisdom available in the New Covenant – see Knowledge-BT3.  It is “the fragrance of the gnosis info-knowledge of/belonging-to Christ” (a); the “gnosis info-knowledge of/belonging-to salvation” (b); the “every kind of gnosis info-knowledge which we were already made rich in Him”(c); for “IN Him are hidden ALL the treasures of wisdom and/coupled gnosis info-knowledge” (d); the “gnosis info-knowledge of/belonging-to God” that “all arrogant thoughts/arguments raised against this” would be “taken captive of to obey Christ” (e).  <Notes> a) 2 Corinthians 2:14, b) Luke 1:77, c) 1 Corinthians 1:5, d) Colossians 2:3, e) 2 Corinthians 10:5.

 

This “gnosis knowledge” is also closely related to prophetic ‘seeing’ of Christians “presently/ongoingly having prophetic powers and/coupled having had [with ongoing effects] eido ‘mentally ‘seeing’ to perceive/know’ all hidden-mysteries kai and/thus ALL The Gnosis Knowledge” (a) – see Knowledge-BT10.  Now this is related to Christians “coming to others” within church-assemblies “speaking in tongues” to “benefit others” by bringing “a revelation or gnosis info-knowledge or prophecy or teaching” (b), especially since “a logos message of wisdom” and “a logos message of gnosis info-knowledge” are some of the Spirit’s grace-gifts to Christians for Body-of-Christ ministry (c).  This probably drove the bible-scholars crazy enough to mock the apostles and true prophets of God, as Isaiah 28 predicted they would do in Acts 2:13 – see Bible Info-BT2 and New Covenant Ways – BT16 and Least Among You – BT8.  I believe it still drives bible-students crazy enough to do the same! <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 13:2, b) 1 Corinthians 14:6, c) 1 Corinthians 12:8.

 

Jesus said the “hidden, mysterious secrets of the kingdom,” the heavenly gnosis info-knowledge, wisdom, and sunesis ‘connect-to-dots’ understanding “are kept hidden from the so-called “wise and understanding ones,” whether Jewish or Gentile, but “revealed to little-children,” even those before reading age, or the other “least among you” like them – see Knowledge-BT4, acquired simply through proseuche conversational-prayer in a “yoked” koinonia relationship with the Lord (a) – see Knowledge-BT6. The Holy Spirit is The Revealer and what makes prophecy possible, which we are to “zealously-desire more than any other grace-gift” (b). The entire gospel logos message of trusting-relying-faith for righteousness that was given to the apostles and prophets came into being that way (c)!  <Notes> a) Matthew 11:25, 13:11, 16:17; Mark 4:11; Luke 8:10, 10:21; 1 Corinthians 2:10; Ephesians 1:17; Colossians 1:26, b) Luke 1:67, 2:26; Acts 2:17-18, 19:6, 28:25; 1 Corinthians 2:10, 14:1, 32; Galatians 3:23; Ephesians 1:17, 3:5; Colossians 1:26; 2 Peter 1:21; Revelation 19:10, 22:6, c) 1 Corinthians 2:10; Galatians 3:23; Ephesians 3:5; Colossians 1:26.

 

If the entire emphasis of the New Testament is leading us away from the failed gnosis info-knowledge of the rabbinical bible-study approach to the Old Testament, and leading us instead to direct, revealed gnosis info-knowledge of God and His will by-the-means-of the Holy Spirit, the very nature of prophecy, even of tongues, then why are any of us putting all this effort into bible-study?  Why are we trying to be like the failed scribes & Pharisees!  This is the revelation that I came to awhile back, as well as others like Mark Virkler in the introduction to his great book 4 Keys to Hearing God’s Voice.  There is a night & day difference between bible-study and the prophetic ‘seeing, hearing, and feeling’ that God intended – see Knowledge-BT11.

 

Once I stopped making bible-study my primary source after I had done a comprehensive study on knowledge and realized that experientially, relationally ginosko knowing God, even genuinely as epignosko, thru prophetic eido “mentally ‘seeing’ to perceive/know’ and akouo ‘listening/hearing to understand/know’ was the actual knowledge of the New Covenant to seek in order to have “The Gnosis Knowledge of/belonging to the Lord,” then I realized I had become just like a scribe & Pharisee with my 5 bible colleges of training!  Yuck!  I also realized that I had made a LOT of New Testament writers my “Teacher” and living my life by their experiences of the Lord, but Jesus said “One is Your Teacher” and in context this was clearly the “Spirit of the Lord, the actual “Promise” of the New Covenant that Jesus constantly reminded His disciples – see Knowledge-BT12.

 

Then I found out thru a comprehensive study on proseuche Conversational-Prayer and another comprehensive study on having a koinonia Relationship with God and another comprehensive study on The Rhema Word of God and Prophecy and how it radically differs from The Logos Word of God, and after reading Mark Virkler’s book, then I had the trusting-relying-faith to start asking, asking, asking, seeking, seeking, seeking, and knocking, knocking, knocking for “the real thing” – that’s what the Greek present participles mean when Jesus tells us to pursue “the incredibly great free-gift of the Holy Spirit!”  That’s when I started getting My God-Messages!  Save yourself a LOT of time – just read those BLOGS and His book and start “Practicing the Presence of God” like Brother Laurence wrote about!

 

 

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The common element of tongues and prophecy that makes it unique and so “optimally-desirable to zealously-desire” (a) is that it is the directly-spoken/heard rhema Word of God’ that is instructing you DIRECTLY for an experiential, relational ginosko knowledge of God, just as the Old and New Testament prophets learned from God.  They didn’t spend their time like the rabbi scribes and Pharisees studying old, dusty manuscripts of whatever form of the bible they had at that time!  In Jeremiah 31:34 as cited in Hebrews 10:17, God says that in the completely-different-in-kind, superior New Covenant, the distinct difference is “Now ou me ‘absolutely-in-possibility and in-fact NOT or NO LONGER’ (b) should each-one-of-them (God’s covenant people) definitively/wholly teach each-one-of their fellow-citizens/neighbors and/also each-one-of their family-members, [thus] each-one-of-them routinely saying ‘definitively/wholly experientially, relationally yada/ginosko know The Lord’ because ALL [of them] shall actually eido ‘mentally ‘see’ to perceive/know’ Me – from the least of them to the greatest, declares The Lord.”  <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 14:1, 5, 39, b) the strongest negative there is.

 

In contrast, the characteristic of the Old Covenant was that only Moses and the Prophets learned DIRECTLY from the God and all the rest of the people through their writings and teaching.  Regarding the Jews’ rejection of God’s invitation in Exodus 19-20 to personally learn from Him DIRECTLY, Hebrews 12:19 reminds Jewish-Christians tempted to go back to Judaism of the disobedience of their forefathers at Mt. Sinai when they heard “the sound of a trumpet and/coupled the [singular] phone Voice of rhema ‘directly-spoken/heard words,” which those having heard paraiteomai ‘begged to avert/avoid from being close-beside [God], thus excusing themselves by essentially refusing/rejecting [God’s invitation]’ asking in-possibility-NOT The logos message [of God] to be prostithemi ‘made to stand/placed toward-forward’ to them.”  Only Moses got to be speak “faced to face as a man speaks to his friend” (a) and so only his face shown with the glory of God (b).  <Notes> a) Exodus 33:11, b) Exodus 34:29-30.

 

Everything had to be written down and taught from a hierarchal system of teachers “from the greatest to the least,” from Moses to Aaron and his sons, to the Levite priests, to the men of every tribe, to the wife and children at home and in schools, and lastly to servants, slaves, and finally Gentile proselytes.  The New Covenant gets rid of ALL of this, because God goes DIRECT, but not to the so-called “wise and understanding ones” first but instead first to the “little children and the least among you.

 

 

 

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Now God’s actual people, not religious institutional Christians but His actual Sheep, are “ALL taught by God,” the very reason Paul said there was no reason to write about having brotherly-love (a).  It’s the reason John was writing to warn Christians about the danger of human teachers deceiving them when in fact “The Anointing that you have already lambano ‘grabbed hold of to receive’ from Him (b) actually, presently/ongoingly meno ‘abides, remains-connected-to, dwells’ IN you, kai and/thus you have absolutely-in-fact-NO need that ANYONE should teach you, but just as The Same Anointing actually, presently/ongoingly teaches you peri all-about ALL-things kai and/thus is trustworthy and/coupled no lie – just as IT has already taught you – actually, presently/ongoingly [continue to] meno ‘abide, remain-connected-to, dwell’ in Him.”  The key to constantly being DIRECTLY “taught by God” via the Holy Spirit of Christ is to stay connected to Him, “the branches to the Vine” per John 15:4-5.  There is only “One Teacher and you are ALL brethren” (c), “The Spirit of The Truth” (d), who “shall actually guide you into ALL The Truth” (e), who “shall actually teach you in that very hora ‘literal or figurative hour, but generally a finite, limited, specific time-period or season’ what you ought to say” (f), who “shall actually teach you ALL things and/coupled shall actually bring to your remembrance ALL that I have said” (g).  There was never a hint of referring to ANY bible-writings!  The Spirit of Christ would teach us right when we need it!  <Notes> a) John 6:45; 1 Thessalonians 4:9, b) Christ The Holy One of 1 John 2:20, c) Matthew 23:8, d) John 14:17; 15:26; 16:13; 1 John 4:6, 5:6, e) John 16:13, f) Luke 12:12, g) John 14:26.

 

 

 

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Jeremiah 31:34’s New Covenant eido ‘mental ‘seeing’ to perceive, understand, know’ God that ALL His actual people will have IS prophetic ‘seeing’ and is exactly what you see the Old Testament Prophets always calling God’s people toward, like Isaiah 28:10 did away from the childlike gibberish of rabbinical “precept up precept, line upon line, a little here, a little there” expository learning about God from bible writings – see Tongues – BT6.  In Acts 2:17-19 citing Joel 2:28-29, Peter says NOW ALL of God’s doulos servants/slaves whether men or women are the ones who have “God’s Spirit poured out upon them and they SHALL INDEED prophesy, even by horao ‘seeing with the mind or perceiving inwardly’ horasis ‘visions’ or enupniazomai ‘dreaming, seeing vision while asleep’ dreams.”

 

Who are these people?  They are Christ’s Sheep!  “My Sheep presently/ongoingly akouo ‘listen/hear to understand/know’ My phone Voice kai and/coupled/thus I presently/ongoingly experientially, relationally ginosko know them kai and/coupled/thus they presently/ongoingly akoloutheo ‘follow as a disciple would a rabbi’ Me” (a).  Jesus isn’t talking about just His 12 apostles, because “I have other sheep that are NOT of this fold.  I must bring them ALSO, and they SHALL ACTUALLY akouo ‘listen/hear to understand/know’ to My phone Voice, kai and/thus there shall actually be One Flock, One Shepherd” (b).  There is never a hint in the New Testament about reading old gramma writings from God’s palaios ‘old, ancient, used, worn out’ Testament or any later writings from God collected 300 years later into a New Testament, only DIRECT communication from Pentecost on!  To the bible-students of Christ’s day Jesus said:  “The one who is ek out-from God presently/ongoingly akouo ‘listens/hears to understand/know’ the directly-spoken/heard rhema words of God.  [However,] dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of this [God’s rhema word], you absolutely-in-fact-NOT presently/ongoingly akouo ‘listen/hear to understand/know,’ because you presently/ongoingly are absolutely-in-fact-NOT ek out-from God” (c).  A lot of so-called Christians are in the same boat!  <Notes> a) John 10:3-4, 27, b) John 10:16, c) John 8:47.

 

Instead of bible-writings, Christians are NOW “the [handwritten] epistle-letters from Christ written absolutely-in-fact-NOT with ink but-instead with the Spirit of the Living God, absolutely-in-fact-NOT on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts” (a).  The promise of the Old Testament is NOT to keep using  palaios ‘old, ancient, used, worn out’ writings that “made nothing perfect” (b) and “were found faulted, thus requiring a second Covenant” (c).  NO!  The promise was “a chadash/kainos completely-different-in-kind-NEW Spirit I will put within them . . . that they may (d) walk/live in My ‘enacted statutes’ and/coupled ‘vigilantly observe as a military guard to protect’ My ‘judicially-approved righteous acts’ and/also do them” (e).  <Notes> a) 2 Corinthians 3:3, b) Hebrews 7:19, c) Hebrews 8:7, d) cause you to:  Ezekiel 36:27, e) Ezekiel 11:19-20.

 

 

 

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The directly-spoken/heard rhema Words of God are actually the “Word of God” that is “from the mouth of God” (a) that is “the bread that we can alone zoa genuinely-live on” (b).  The “word =bread for life” is NOT the gramma written words collected 100s of years later by mere men into graphe scripture, nor is it even the preached gospel logos message Word of God, but the [singular] directly-spoken/heard rhema Word of God that goes out from My mouth that shall not return to Me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it” (c).  Quoting from English bibles, in this case to erroneously define “The Word of God” as bible verses, without checking the original languages, especially when quoting the 1611 King James Version or Authorized Version that has 300 (2.5%) archaic, obscured, or opposite meanings from today’s English, is very dangerous – see Bible Info<Notes> a) Matthew 4:4, b) Matthew 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deuteronomy 8:3, c) Isaiah 55:11.

 

Commenting on ALL that the Jewish religion had become with all their “might and power,” Jesus declared in John 6:63 “The flesh is absolutely-in-fact-NOT presently/ongoingly opheleo ‘useful, helpful, advantageous, or profitable’ – absolutely-in-fact-NOT one thing [of it],”  but contrasting this, Jesus declared: “The Spirit presently/ongoingly exists-as/defined-as the One routinely zoopoieo ‘making/empowering zoe genuine-life’ . . . The rhema directly-spoken/heard words that I already have [with ongoing effects] spoken to you presently/ongoing exist-as/defined-as [singular] Spirit and/coupled they presently/ongoingly exist-as/defined-as zoe genuine-life.”  The Jews had tons of bible-writings and spent 1500 years becoming bible-experts, but ALL this was worthless!  Bible-Information will NOT give you zoe genuine-life!

 

 

 

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Even though you may be quite religious and even a faithful bible-student, you will still be powerless if you don’t akouo ‘listen/hear to understand/know’ the phone Voice of Christ DIRECTLY-speak His directly-heard rhema words to you.  After the angel Gabriel announces to Mary that Elizabeth was 6 months pregnant after being barren, he explains it’s because of being:  “para close-beside every rhema ‘directly-spoken/heard word’ of The God – [then] absolutely-in-fact-NO [thing] shall actually be impossible” (a) – This double negative in Greek is not a positive but an emphatic NO!  How powerful is the rhema spoken-word of God?  “The universes were formed [with ongoing effects] by [singular] directly-spoken/heard rhema word of God” (b).  The “[singular] rhema ‘directly-spoken/heard word’ of/belonging-to the [singular] dunamis supernatural-enabling-power dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of Christ” is what “routinely phero ‘brings/carries along, maintains’ ALL things” in creation (c).  <Notes> a) Luke 1:37, b) Hebrews 11:3, c) Hebrews 1:3.

 

According to Hebrews 6:5, NOW Christians are supposed to “have geuomai ‘tasted, tried out the flavor of, partaken, enjoyed, and experienced’ the kalos ‘beautiful, excellent-usefulness’ (a) of [singular] rhema ‘directly-spoken/heard word’ of God te and/both [plural] dunamis supernatural-enabling-powers of/belonging-to [singular] ’eminently-at hand, ready-to arrive’ Age.”  However, I have met many Christians that have not had 1 supernatural experience, shedding great doubt to their actual identity.  I fear that just as the Gentile pagans were worship-serving “mute idols,” so are a lot of Christians, even of their bibles (b).  Paul would have to say they were agnoeo “being ignorant” (c) or idiotes ‘conspicuously lacking education/instruction’ (d).   <Notes> a) kalos:  1) to make beautiful physically or morally, this is distinctly the ‘beauty’ that comes from harmony or proportional symmetry and thus completeness, or 2) to make excellent in nature or character, thus well adapted for its use, and thus praiseworthy and noble, b) 1 Corinthians 12:2, c) 1 Corinthians 12:1, d) 1 Corinthians 14:16, 23-24.

 

 

 

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How in the world will you dunamai be-powerfully-enabled [when putting on the full armor of God] to stand against the schemes of the devil?”  That’s what Paul would ask you in Ephesians 6:10-19 if you refuse to do vv. 6:17-18:  “[I strongly urge you’all to] definitively/wholly [reflexively] dechomai ‘warmly-welcome’ the sword of/belonging-to the Spirit, which presently/ongoingly exists-as/defined-as the rhema directly-spoken/heard word of God, dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of ALL proseuche conversational-prayer and/coupled deesis supplication, [by] being routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying in every kairos ‘coming-to-head opportune or suitable or right time/season to take full-advantage of,’ by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit kai and/related eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ this-very-thing [that is] routinely agrupneo ‘alertly, attentively, vigilantly watching without unnecessary time-off’ by-the-means-of pas ‘entirety of’ proskarteresis ‘steadfast/prevailing/enduring strength from being pros ‘towards and interfacing with [God]’ kai and/coupled deesis supplication peri ‘all-around-about’ pas ‘entirety of’ the saints.”

 

Using your ‘sword’ to fight against demons isn’t just for yourself but to fight ‘back-to-back’ or in a team against those coming at your comrades!  Fight like the Spartans!  Fighting against the flesh, the world, and the devil behind it all will take us ALL working together in partnership with the Lord and His angel armies!

 

We know that this proseuche special kind of conversational-prayer that involves being a channel of God’s directly-spoken/heard rhema words is fully explained by Paul as: “presently/ongoingly proseuchomai conversationally-praying by-the-means-of glossa tongues/languages by-the-means-of The Spirit of/belonging-to him” (a).  Without conversationally-praying in tongues you are fighting without a sword!  That’s why Paul says this “builds yourself up” (b).  That’s why he “thanks God that I speak in tongues more than all of you” (c).  That’s why he determines to conversationally-pray and/also psalm (d) in tongues (e).  <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 14:14-15, b) 1 Corinthians 14:4, c) 1 Corinthians 14:18, d) instrumental music with or without singing, e) 1 Corinthians 14:15.

 

 

 

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Jesus said in John 15:7 the only way for your prayers to be powerfully answered is if:  1) “you definitively/wholly meno ‘abide, remain-connected-to, dwell’ in Me and/coupled, 2) My directly-spoken/heard rhema words definitively/wholly meno ‘abide, remain-connected-to, dwell’ in you.”  God simply won’t give you something outside of His will.  “We can have confidence when pros ‘toward and interfacing with’ Him that IF we ask anything according to His will, THEN He akouo ‘listens/hears to understand/know’ us, kai and/coupled/consequently IF we have already [with ongoing effects] eido ‘mentally ‘seen’ to perceive/know’ (this is prophetic vision) that He akouo ‘listens/hears to understand/know’ us, then-in whatever we may be asking, THEN we already have [with ongoing effects] eido ‘mentally ‘seen’ to perceive/know’ (a)  that we presently/ongoingly have the requests that we have already [with ongoing effects] asked of Him” (b).  Another way to get this eido prophetic-vision of God’s will is to “ask for wisdom and God will generously give this to ALL without reproach” (c).  <Notes> a) prophetic vision, b) 1 John 5:14-15, c) James 1:5.

 

Only a few times is “The Will of God” explicitly stated and these are very general statement.  That’s because in the New Covenant, we are supposed to go to God DIRECTLY to learn this from Him, “ALL being taught by God” just as Part 2 above explained.  This is exactly Christ’s invitation to “Take My yoke (a) and/coupled manthano ‘learn the key facts from experience and/or reflection’ from Me” (b).  This is a DIRECT-connection learning, never through bible-writings, “for these things God has revealed to us dia thru-the-realizing-channel of The Spirit, for The Spirit presently/ongoingly ereunao ‘diligently-searches, examines’ ALL things, even the depths of God” (c).  See New Covenant Ways – BT16 and Bible Info – BT2 and Least Among You – BT8.  <Notes> a) harness of instruction for discipleship, a common bar tying an inexperienced animal to its master for training, b) Matthew 11:29, c) 1 Corinthians 2:10.

 

 

 

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I was taught that reading and studying the bible daily would make me holy or sanctified, set-apart for God’s special purposes.  Wrong!  It sure didn’t the Jewish bible-experts!  I know a lot of Christians and churches that spend more time in the Old Testament than the New Testament, so how does that give them better results than the Jews?  But you may say, “Not me!  I read and study only the New Testament or just ‘the red letters’ of Christ speaking!”  But nobody in the New Testament asked you to do this either, but in fact steered you away from it!  Paul tells you how to be holy: “Christ already unconditionally-loved the Church and/coupled already gave Himself up for Her, in order that He might definitively/wholly sanctify/make-holy Her, having already cleansed Her by the washing/ablution of the water (a) by [singular] directly-spoken/heard rhema word, in order that He might definitively/wholly present to Himself the Church in [future] glory, without in-possibility spot or wrinkle” (a).  We are ALREADY made holy by Christ’s singular rhema spoken-word<Notes> a) possibly a reference to water-baptism,  especially because how often Paul teaches about it, b) Ephesians 5:25-27.

 

But aren’t we to read, study, and preach the bible?  Where in the New Testament does it say to do that?  Read Logos Word of God – BT19!  Instead Peter says:  “The directly-spoken/heard rhema Word of the Lord [Jesus] endures forever and/thus this is the directly-spoken/heard rhema Word which was preached” (a).  Early in Church history, after the angel of the Lord freed all the apostles from prison, he said:  “speak in the Temple to the people ALL the directly-spoken/heard rhema words of/belonging-to this zoe genuine-life” (b).  They weren’t doing bible-studies and then going out and preaching what they learned!  <Notes> a) 1 Peter 1:25, b) Acts 5:20.

 

Even Jesus didn’t preach what He read in some bible.  No, He was noted as different from the other rabbis:  “Jesus is the one who spoke the directly-spoken/heard rhema Words of God, given the Spirit without measure” (a).  He said this Himself:  “The directly-spoken/heard rhema words that I speak to you I do absolutely-in-fact-NOT speak from Myself” (b), but instead Jesus was always giving credit to His Father.  And on the way to His death, Jesus said to His Father:  “The directly-spoken/heard rhema words that you have already given Me, I have already [with lasting effects] given them” (c). <Notes> a) John 3:34, b) John 14:10, c) John 17:8.

 

 

 

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But wasn’t the bible meant to give me faith, and won’t preaching it give the unbelievers saving faith?  That’s not what the New Testament says!  Faith isn’t found in the pages of ancient writings, for: “the directly-spoken/heard rhema word of/belonging-to trusting-relying-faith is presently/ongoingly eggus ‘nearest, right next to’ you, IN your mouth and/coupled in your heart – the spoken/heard rhema word of/belonging-to trusting-relying-faith that we presently/ongoingly proclaim/preach (a). <Notes> a) Roman 10:8.

 

After talking about how important it is to send out preachers of the gospel logos message for people to get saved, Paul humbly admits:  “Therefore, trusting-relying-faith [is] ek out-from [genitive: of] akouo ‘listening/hearing to understand/know’ kai and/coupled this akouo hearing dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of [singular] rhema ‘directly-spoken/heard word’ of/belonging-to Christ” (a).  That’s where faith comes from – not Old or New Testaments, not even our own preaching, but DIRECTLY from Christ’s rhema directly-spoken word!  <Notes> a) Romans 10:17.

 

That’s why Paul recognizes 3 genos ‘family/kind’ of tongues (a) and that the “#3 intended audience-purpose” of tongues is indeed a “proving-sign” to unbelievers because they will be amazed when they understand every directly-spoken/heard rhema word of Christ thru the missionaries preaching the gospel in an unknown tongue with NO interpretation by the humans, just as on the Day of Pentecost, and 3000 were added to their number!  Many missionaries will tell you that they were in tough spots where they had to preach in their native tongue or in supernatural tongues and trust the Lord to interpret and the Lord did, to the audience’s total amazement and conviction!  When I give prophetic Drum-Declarations in the parks with my drumming, I often do this very thing.  According to Paul in 1 Corinthians 14:14-15, I could also do this while psalming!  <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 12:10, 28 – see the introduction of the Tongues & Interpretation page.

 

 

 

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Every musician knows that music notation is just another language, symbols representing rhythm and frequencies arranged to convey specific meanings, just as many languages are not only picture-based but also music-based so that tone differences change the meaning of identical-looking words.

 

So even if a musician is NOT praying or singing in tongues “unto God” verbally or under their breath or in their head while optionally playing their instrument “making music from their hearts,” the Spirit dwelling within them can just as easily be communicating the mind/heart of God “unto God” (audience #1) and even “unto others of the whole church gathered” (audience #2), and especially unbelievers (audience #3), through the arrangements of rhythms & frequencies that the audience’s inward being or ‘spirit’ may indeed understand because of God’s interpretation, regardless of whether their human mind of their flesh is ‘out of the loop’ because it is “unfruitful/unproductive/understanding.”

 

Thus the psalming instrumentally or including vocals with our without tongues is still an anointed, prophetic, and spontaneous “New Song” or “Spirit-kind-of ode,” because it is still communicating the directly-spoken/heard rhema words of God to minister to them God’s logos message, especially to unbelievers!

 

 

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BT9:  Unbelievers can only get faith if they hear & understand the directly-spoken rhema words of Christ even by tongues

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Will we agree with Jesus in John 6:63, who said:  “The flesh is absolutely-in-fact-NOT presently/ongoingly opheleo ‘useful, helpful, advantageous, or profitable’ – absolutely-in-fact-NOT one thing!”  Jesus was commenting about their entire religious system of “might & power” works of the old covenant that were to be done away by the “by-the-means-of My Spirit” of the New Covenant per Zechariah 4:6.  But in contrast He said “The Spirit presently/ongoingly exists-as/defined-as the One routinely zoopoieo ‘making/empowering zoe genuine-life’ . . . The rhema directly-spoken/heard words that I already have [with ongoing effects] spoken to you presently/ongoing exist-as/defined-as [singular] Spirit and/coupled they presently/ongoingly exist-as/defined-as zoe genuine-life.”  There is nothing here about accumulating bible-info!

 

Paul says in Romans 10:13-18 that trusting-relying-faith to “call on the name/authority of the Lord [Jesus] to be saved” because they have “obeyed the gospel” does NOT actually come from akouo ‘listening/hearing to understand/know’ the preaching of the gospel logos message, even from the apostle Paul, as “beautiful as their feet are!”  Our rhema ‘directly-spoken/heard words’ are not good enough, because it is Christ’s “rhema words that are Spirit and zoe genuine-life!”  In fact, here Paul and John 12:38 quotes Isaiah 53:1 that prophesies about the Messiah/Servant’s preaching:  “But absolutely-in-fact-NOT all hupakouo ‘came subordinately-under what was listened-to/heard, attentively-listened and heeded/obeyed it’ the Great-News, for Isaiah says:  ‘Yahweh, who has had trusting-relying-faith-in the akoe ‘verb of akouo: hearing report’ of/belonging to US (The Servant-Messiah and His Father-God from Isaiah 52)?”

 

If the perfect preacher-Son with a perfect message from Father-God saw many of the masses fail to acquire saving faith, Paul must have recognized this same if not more would occur in his preaching or anybody else’s!  Actually our only success must come from Christ’s “rhema words that are Spirit and zoe genuine-life,” for as Paul says in v. 10:17 “Therefore, trusting-relying-faith [is] ek out-from [genitive: of] akouo ‘listening/hearing to understand/know’ kai and/coupled this akouo hearing dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of [a/the singular] rhema ‘directly-spoken/heard word’ of/belonging-to Christ.”  Wow!

 

Saving faith must come from listening, hearing, understanding, and knowing the very words of Christ, because “My sheep akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know My phone Voice, their One Shepherd of the One Flock, and I presently/ongoing experientially, relationally ginosko know them and/coupled they presently/ongoing follow [as a disciple] Me” per John 10:16, 27.  There is nothing about understanding the preacher, following him, or getting faith from 2000-3500 year old bible writings read by yourself or the preacher.  Only directly hearing Christ’s voice speaking His rhema words directly to you will give you trusting-relying-faith, resultant salvation, or empower you to follow Him as His disciple.

 

The Jews should have hupakouoobeyed the message’ as Paul says:  “But I ask in-possibility did NOT they already akouo ‘listen/hear to understand/know’?  Indeed [they have]!”  The heard Jesus and His disciples preach!  Then Paul quotes here and in 1 Thessalonians 1:8 from Psalms 19:4.  Although Jesus commanded in Matthew 28:19-20 “to preach the gospel to all nations . . . to the end of the age” and in Mark 16:15 “to preach the gospel to the whole creation after going into all the world” and Acts 1:8 “to be my witness . . . to the end of the earth,” Jesus said this ‘Great Commission’ is only finally completed at the “end of the ages” per Matthew 24:3, 14 as a final “proving-sign of Christ’s coming and/coupled the end of the age.”  By this time Psalms 19:4 will then be completely fulfilled:  “Eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ pas ALL the earth has-gone-out their [singular] phthoggos ‘musical like sound of voice or instrument’ kai and/even eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ the ends of the world the rhema ‘directly-spoken/heard words’ of THEM.”  The evangelist-preachers will have competed their job.

 

Why is this important regarding tongues?  We know from Tongues – BT4 that 1 of the ‘intended audiences’ is apistos unbelievers, and that no interpretation of tongues is needed because the same Spirit that produces the tongues takes care of interpreting them personally to the audience and so this becomes a “proving-sign” of the authenticity of the gospel logos message, and the result is that many unbelievers come to salvation through trusting-relying-faith and thus “obedience to the gospel.”  Many missionaries have attested to this!  But why is this true?  How does this work?

 

If this occurred, it would certainly prove their trusting-relying-faith “might in-possibility-NOT be in the wisdom of men but-instead in the enabling-power of God,” the exact reason Paul said “I absolutely-in-fact-NOT came kata down-from/according-to huperoche ‘superior, pre-eminent, elevated, authoritative-sounding’ of speech or wisdom, kataggello ‘declaring/announcing exactly/decisively down to a point’ to you the testimony of God . . . The logos message of mine kai and/coupled the kerugma ‘proclamation, heralding, preaching of fundamentals’ of mine [were to them] absolutely-in-fact-NOT by-the-means-of peithos ‘persuasive to trust, enticing to place confidence in, skillfullogos messages of/belonging-to wisdom but-instead by-the-means-of apodeixis demonstrable-proof of [singular] Spirit kai and/coupled/specifically of dunamis supernatural, enabling-power” per 1 Corinthians 2:2, 4-5.

 

We know from many verses like Hebrews 2:4 this to be miracles, proving-signs, wonders, and all the grace-gifts of the Spirit including tongues & interpretation.  Without these you don’t have a “full-gospel” and so can’t make Paul’s claim in Romans 15:19 that you have “fully-proclaimed the gospel by-the-means-of [singular] enabling-power of proving-signs and/coupled wonders by-the-means-of [singular] enabling-power of [singular] Spirit of God.”  You essentially have powerless gospel.

 

Unbelievers understanding the spoken tongues would indeed be a “proving-sign” because these apistos unbelievers are NOT akouo ‘listening/hearing-to-understand/know” the preacher’s words to place their trusting-relying-faith in those words, no matter how eloquent or wise they may have been.  No, the only way they could have acquired trusting-relying-faith is to have akouo ‘listening/hearing-to-understand/know” the “rhema ‘directly-spoken/heard words’ of Christ!   Nevertheless, the obedience of the preachers to preach even in their own unintelligible native tongue or in supernatural glossa tongues, puts the ball in the Lord’s court to do the interpretation to create the trusting-relying-faith!

 

Therefore if you are witnessing or sharing the gospel in hopes that unbelievers will have trusting-relying-faith, obey the gospel, and be saved, don’t try to do this without miracles, proving-signs – even speaking in tongues without interpretation, wonders, or the grace-gifts of the Spirit – even speaking in tongues without interpretation.  If you do, then you are preaching a powerless gospel and are expecting people to put their trusting-relying-faith in something other than the rhema ‘directly-spoken/heard word’ of Christ.  Even if they understand your native tongue, you still need these “demonstrating-proofs” for the very same reason.  You can boast in your preaching prowess all you want, but you will never get Christ’s results of the Holy Spirit’s enabling-power until you put your trusting-relying-faith in the phone Voice of Christ to do the real preaching, and surrender your “might and power” to the complete control of the Holy Spirit, clearly evidenced by the supernatural.  If you don’t see this in your ministry, chances are in some way you have quenched the Holy Spirit.  Forbidding tongues or despising prophecy are sure fire ways to do this per 1 Thessalonians 5:19-20 and 1 Corinthians 14:39

 

 

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The Promised dorea free-gift of the Holy Spirit is given by the unconditionally-loving-favor-of-grace AFTER you have repented (conviction to turn) and/coupled been water-baptized in the name/authority of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, according to Peter on the 1st day of the Church Age (a) in Acts 2:38-39, “For This Promise is for you and for your children and for ALL who are far off, everyone whom the Lord [Jesus] our God calls to Himself.”  “The Promise” in mind is the visible and audible manifestations of the Spirit per v. 2:33 upon 120 disciples praying in the upper-room that were “ALL been filled-to-completion by-the-means-of the Holy Spirit and/coupled continually speaking by-the-means-of heteros other-different-in-kind of glossa tongues/languages as the Spirit edidou ‘[continually] was giving/granting-as-a-gift, supplying/furnishing, enduing’ to them to presently/ongoingly apophtheggomai ‘speak/utter out/forth or pronounce/declare to make a generic/unintelligible sound resembling the whinny of a horse” in v. 2:4.  <Notes> a) Last day/times, end of the age(s):  1 Peter 1:20; Hebrews 1:2, 9:26; Acts 2:17, 39; 1 Corinthians 10:11; 2 Timothy 3:1; James 5:3; 2 Peter 3:3, until it’s finality at the great harvest when the Church is “raptured/removed” before the Judgement of the Earth:  Matthew 13:39-40, 49; 24:3, 28:20.

 

In Acts 2:11-13, the Jews from every nation who gathered for Pentecost said “we hear them telling in our own glossa tongues/languages the mighty works of God” and pas ‘all of a kind’ (these who spoke) were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?”  But others mocking said, “They are drunk on gleukos ‘highly-inebriating, fresh-juice, sweet, newly fermented wine’.”   To explain to the mocking Jews what was happening, Peter cites Joes 2:28-29 in Acts 2:17-19 to illustrate thru a series of refining stanzas that the male & female servants of God who are from the Jews’ sons & daughter who are from all mankind will be the ones actually prophesying even by envisioning visions (a) and dreaming dreams during the Church Age exactly as a result of God “pouring out His Spirit.”  So apparently the disciples’ speaking in tongues/language were prophesying the mighty works of God, just as 1 Corinthians 14:6 says tongue can include! <Notes> a) horao horasis: generally to observe with the eyes, implying attention, concern, or heed, sometimes being acquainted through experience, but often emphasizing a vision much like eido mental ‘seeing’ to perceive/know with a discerning or ‘weighing-in’ mind.  Eido prophetic knowledge is the uniqueness of the New Covenant per Jeremiah 31:34 cited in Hebrews 10:17.  This is very similar to optanomai: gaze in awe with wide-open eyes upon used in Matthew 5:8; John 16:22; Romans 15:21; Acts 13:31; 1 John 3:2 or katoptrizo that is kataptron mirror + a derivative of optanomai = gaze in awe with wide-open eyes as in a mirror used only in 1 Corinthians 3:18.

 

We see in Acts 9:17-18 Paul getfilled by-the-means-of the Holy Spirit” and miraculously healed by a prophet from his blindness after his encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus when he was called into ministry by Him.  And so “he rose up and was water-baptized” for salvation!

 

In Acts 19:1-7, when Paul encountered 12 Jewish men in Ephesus who had been listening to Apollos preach, he must have noticed something was missing because instead of asking them, “So what church do you all go to?” like we would, Paul asked a more important question:  “Did you lambano ‘grab hold of to receive’ the Holy Spirit when you had trusting-relying-faith?”  The Church of Christ never asked me that, even after I got water-baptized!  After finding out they had never heard of the Holy Spirit, Paul asked, “Then of what eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ had you been water-baptized?” This implies there is a purpose for water-baptism that involves the Holy Spirit!  Again the Church of Christ never told me that before water-baptism.  I had zero expectations for the Holy Spirit.

 

After they responded “John’s Baptism,” Paul reminded them that John had told the people to put their trusting-relying-faith in Jesus.  On hearing this, they were water-baptized in the name/authority of the Lord Jesus . . . and after laying hands on them, then the Holy Spirit came upon them and/then they continually were speaking by-the-means-of glossa tongues/languages and/coupled were continually prophesying.”  Nobody laid hands on me to expect any of this to happen!  It’s very clear that Paul expected there to be apparent signs of the Holy Spirit after being water-baptized and when he didn’t perceive them, he moved them that direction and then they got them, and those signs were tongues and prophecy!  It is very upsetting that the Church of Christ couldn’t read and obey the bible, because it took me 5 years of real struggle before I finally got The Promised grace-gifts from the Holy Spirit of tongues, but it took 40 years to learn how to akouo ‘listen/hear-to-understand/know’ the Voice of Christ, which is that nature of prophecy.  Just think how much I could have grown if churches would just teach the truth?

 

At the Great Commission account in Mark 16:15-20 of Jesus to “Having routinely poreuomai ‘gone/journeyed port to port’ into all the world, [I strongly urge you to then] kerusso ‘proclaim, herald, or preach’ the ‘good news/message’ gospel [logos message] to the whole creation” after describing the necessary response of “routinely having trusting-relying-faith and/coupled routinely having been water-baptized to actually become saved” to escape “being condemned” with the rest of the world by default in John 3:16-17, Jesus then says:  “Now these semeionmiraculous signs given to confirm, corroborate, or authenticate’ shall actually parakoloutheo ‘follow/join/attend along close-beside as a disciple would their leader’ those who already routinely had trusting-relying-faithIn My name/authority they shall actually cast out demons, they shall actually speak by-the-means-of kainos ‘completely-different-in-kind, unprecedented, unique, superior NEW” glossa tongues/languages, [4 others given including divine healing]. . . [Jesus ascended into heaven] . . .

 

“Now having routinely exerchomai ‘come out of to another place’ they definitively/wholly preached everywhere, the Lord routinely sunergeo ‘working/doing together-with’ [them] and/coupled routinely begaioo ‘making the ground under them solid, sure, fully reliable, thus confirming, ratifying’ the logos message [of the gospel they preached] dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of the semeion ‘‘miraculous signs given to confirm, corroborate, or authenticate,’ routinely epakoloutheo ‘following/joining/attending along closely fitting/in-connection-to’ [the logos message].”

 

Clearly glossa tongues/languages was a sure “proving-sign that authenticated a preached gospel message.  Maybe the reason why more churches don’t experience this is that:  1) They are actually don’t have trusting-relying-faith, 2) They really are not disciples or followers of Christ, 3) They aren’t preaching the gospel but just about everything else, and/or 4) They are on their own without “God working with them” or “accompanying their message” because in some way they have quenched the Spirit, so that God’s Spirit won’t ‘show up’ to confirm some other message of theirs.  Since I’ve played in 15 music ministries and been to many more churches than that, I can say that I have seen plenty of all this!  It’s very disheartening to see this, and they are clueless as to why they have had so little effect on the surrounding community.

 

The New Testament writers never give a complete list or description of grace-gifts in any of their writings, but only include items/descriptions to illustrate the point they are making.  Paul has various incomplete lists with missing Greek connectors that are a dead giveaway the lists aren’t meant to be complete:  “logos message of wisdom, logos message of gnosis informational-knowledge, trusting-relying-faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, distinguishing/discerning spirits (a), various-different-kinds of tongues/languages, interpretation of tongues” (b), “apostles, prophets, teachers, miracles, healing, helping, kubernesis ‘helmsman who steers a ship, pilot or captain, director who guides, administrates, etc.’, various-different-in-kind of tongues/languages, interpretation of tongues/languages” (c), “prophecies, tongues/languages, gnosis informational-knowledge” (d), “revelation, gnosis informational-knowledge, prophecy, teaching” (e), “teaching, revelation, tongue, and interpretation” (f), “prophecy, trusting-relying-faith, service/helping, teaching, exhorting/encouraging, generous-giving, proistemi ‘standing before/in-front as a model/example to direct/supervise/manage/lead others’, acts of mercy” (g), 4 groups of grace-gifts of “apostles, prophets, evangelists (gospel-preachers), shepherds and/coupled teachers to equip (coach & facilitate) the saints to be the working-ministers” (h), “routinely teaching and/coupled routinely noutheteo ‘gently reasoning thru warning, admonishment, exhortation, or counseling’ heautouEACH OTHER reciprocally’” (i), foundation of apostles and prophets (j), Timothy having the gift of evangelism by the laying of hands (k).  We also see those gifted to instrumentally/vocally play spontaneous prophetic Spirit-kind-of odes” or completely-different-in-kind, superior “New Songs” (l) just as Paul purposed in 1 Corinthians 14:14-15 to “psalm by-the-means-of the Spirit” and in context this means in tonguesPeter has a short list:  “speaking the prophetic-oracles of God, serving/helping” (m).

 

<Notes> a) 1 John 4:1, b) 1 Corinthians 12:8-10, c) 1 Corinthians 12:28-30, d) 1 Corinthians 13:8, e) 1 Corinthians 14:6, f) 1 Corinthians 14:26, g) Romans 12:6-8, h) Ephesians 4:12, i) Colossians 3:16, j) Ephesians 2:20, 3:5, k) 1 Timothy 4:14, l) Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16 – see also Spontaneous Music-BT5, – BT6, and – BT7, m) 1 Peter 4:10-11; 2 Peter 1:21.

 

ALL of this is about Body-Ministry for people having different praxis functions, not positions or office or titles or prestige or authority over others lest “any many think of himself more highly than he ought to think but with sober judgment” (a).  Jesus said in Matthew 23:8-10 “But you are in-possibility-NOT to be called rabbi (teacher), for you have One Teacher, and you are ALL brethren. And call in-possibility-NO man your father on earth, for you have One Father, who is in heaven.  Neither be called kathegetes ‘master-leading-teachers, those leading ‘down from’ over, leading them down the road of learning’, for you have One Master-Leading-Teacher, the Christ.”  Jesus addressed every position, office, or title of prestige and authority over others in the Jewish religion and He warned His disciples “Don’t go there!”  Jesus alone is “Head over all things to the Church” (b). Then why do we have Head Pastors and every other crazy position, office, and title for so many Church leaders?  Religion! <Notes> a) Romans 12:3, cf. Matthew 20:20-28 paralleled in Mark 10:35-45; Luke 22:24-30, b) Ephesians 1:22, 4:15, 5:23; Colossians 1:18, 2:10, 19; 1 Corinthians 11:3.

 

The rest of us in the Body-of-Christ are just different members with a metron ‘measuring cup that measures out equal amounts for fair trade/purchase’ even of the grace-gift of The-Trusting-Relying-Faith” (a) and also the grace-gift of the Holy Spirit dwelling within us (b), just as music metronome beats are precisely equal.  What makes the members different is their different praxis functions (c).  All the Spirit’s gifts are given by unmerited, undeserved, unearned, unconditional-loving-favor or grace evidenced by the Greek word for “gifts” that is charismata, derived from the word charis that means grace, thus meaning “gifts given by grace.”  Since we are all viewed as equal metron ‘measuring-cups’ because “God shows no partiality or favoritism” (d), “The One and the Same Spirit is presently/ongoingly are working all these things (i.e., grace-gifts), routinely diaireo ‘dividing, distributing, apportioning’ hekastos ‘to each individual separately/distinctly’ idios ‘as uniquely/peculiarly one’s own’ kathos ‘down-from/according-to the extent/degree of, corresponding to fully/exactly as’ [the Spirit] boulomai ‘resolutely plans, stronger than thelo optimally-desires’.” Finally, there’s absolutely no evidence for ranking of grace-gifts regardless of our poor bible translations – see Coaches & Facilitators-BT12. <Notes> a) Romans 12:3 – see Obedient Steps of Faith – BT21, b) Ephesians 4:7, c) not offices, positions, or titles – see Obedient Steps of Faith – BT21, d) Acts 10:34; Romans 2:11; Galatians 2:6; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 3:25.

 

Since the lists aren’t complete, the emphasis of the church-assembly passages is like that in Ephesians 5:19 where we are to “routinely be laleo conversationally-speaking to heautouEACH OTHER reciprocally’ psalms, hymns, and Spirit-kind-of odes (a) or like that in Colossians 3:16 “routinely teaching and/coupled routinely noutheteo ‘gently reasoning thru warning, admonishment, exhortation, or counseling’ heautouEACH OTHER reciprocally’ psalms, hymns, and Spirit-kind-of odes (a). It’s sad that so many churches don’t pattern themselves after biblical models but borrow from the world, building The Great Wall quenching the Holy Spirit! <Notes> a) odes: psalms or hymns done spontaneously as completely-different-in-kind “New songs” instead of being pre-composed.

 

However, the emphasis isn’t on just EACH ONE being involved but its benefit on the whole church-assembly: “To hekastos ‘EACH individual separately/distinctly’ is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common-profiting” (a).  “When you come together hekastos ‘EACH individual separately/distinctly’ holding-to-have” a psalm, a teaching, a revelation, a tongue, an interpretation.  [I strongly urge you to] presently/ongoingly ginomai ‘bring-into-being, birth’ all-things pros ‘toward and reaching’ [singular] building-up” (b) of the Church.  This isn’t a self-centered ‘one-man show’ or elite leadership as Paul warns of (c)!  It’s all based on “unconditional-love that builds up” (d), which is actually more important than all the grace-gifts (e).  Thus Paul strong-urges us to presently/ongoingly dioko ‘aggressively chase like a hunter after its catch’ The Unconditional-Love” in addition to “presently/ongoingly being zealous after The Spirit’s grace-gifts, but especially that you may presently/ongoingly prophesy” (f), and finally that “all things (g) of/belonging-to you ginomai ‘come into being, be birthed’ by-the-means-of unconditional-love” (h). <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 12:7, b) v. 14:26, c) Romans 12:3 – see Coaches & Facilitators – BT11, d) 1 Corinthians 8:1, e) vv. 13:1-13, f) v. 14:1, g) context:  grace-gifts, h) v. 16:14.

 

Paul repeatedly calls us to use EACH of these different grace-gifts as praxis functions to “build up the Body-of-Christ until we all attain to the unity of The-Trusting-Relying-Faith and/coupled of the genuine, experiential, relational epignosis knowledge of the Son of God eis ‘toward and reaching to goal of’ a complete man eis ‘toward and reaching to goal of’ the stature of the abundantly-completeness of Christ” (a).  Peter also stresses USING what’s been given you:  “as EACH has already lambano ‘grabbed hold of to receive’ a grace-gift, [now use] them eis “toward and reaching the goal of’ routinely serving/ministering to heautouEACH OTHER reciprocally’” (b).  <Notes> a) Ephesians 4:12-13, b) 1 Peter 4:10-11.

 

Have churches surrendered their control the Holy Spirit to flow unimpeded through the Body-of-Christ to minister to one another during the church service?  Or do the churches restrict or quench the Spirit’s flow primarily to 1 or 2 paid “professionals” or a “special group” on stage?  Is the “ministry” only from the clergy?  Is the “greet your neighbor, ‘peace be with you’ handshake” or the chat around the coffee and donuts in the foyer the extent of the koinonia fellowship or sharing of each other’s grace-gifts?  Is the “psalming” mostly one-directional:  The “special” band on stage with all the people listening to and watching them from the audience like they were at a concert?  I’ve played in 15 church bands to 1000s of people and in most cases it’s not much different than my secular concerts from 22 secular bands also to 1000s of people!  Where in the New Testament have you ever seen a stage that elevates “special people” and audience that watches them perform?

 

 

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At the Great Commission account in Mark 16:15-20 of Jesus to “Having routinely poreuomai ‘gone/journeyed port to port’ into all the world, [I strongly urge you to then] kerusso ‘proclaim, herald, or preach’ the ‘good news/message’ gospel [logos message] to the whole creation” after describing the necessary response of “routinely having trusting-relying-faith and/coupled routinely having been water-baptized to actually become saved” to escape “being condemned” with the rest of the world by default per John 3:16-17.  Jesus then says:  “Now these semeionmiraculous signs given to confirm, corroborate, or authenticate’ shall actually parakoloutheo ‘follow/join/attend along close-beside as a disciple would their leader’ one who precedes those having routinely had trusting-relying-faith:   In My name/authority they shall actually cast out demons, they shall actually speak by-the-means-of kainos ‘completely-different-in-kind, unprecedented, unique, superior NEW” glossa tongues/languages, . . . [Jesus ascended into heaven] . . . Now having routinely exerchomai ‘come out of to another place’ they definitively/wholly preached everywhere, the Lord routinely sunergeo ‘working/doing together-with’ [them] and/coupled routinely begaioo ‘making the ground under them solid, sure, fully reliable, thus confirming, ratifying’ the logos message [of the gospel they preached] dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of the semeion ‘‘miraculous signs given to confirm, corroborate, or authenticate’ routinely epakoloutheo ‘follow/join/attend along closely fitting/in-connection-to’ [the logos message].”

 

Clearly glossa tongues/languages was a sure “proving-sign” that authenticated a preached gospel message.  The supernatural enabling-power of the Holy Spirit thus produced amazing results because it was not quenched (a).  Maybe the reason why more churches don’t experience this is that:  1) They are actually don’t have trusting-relying-faith, 2) They really are not disciples or followers of Christ, 3) They aren’t preaching the gospel but just about everything else, and/or 4) They are on their own without “God working with them” or “accompanying their message” because in some way they have quenched the Spirit, so that God’s Spirit won’t ‘show up’ to confirm some other message of theirs.  Since I’ve played in 15 music ministries and been to many more churches than that, I can say that I have seen plenty of all this!  It’s very disheartening to see this and they are clueless as to why they have had so little effect on the surrounding community!  <Notes> a) Acts 2:47, 5:14, 9:42, 11:24, 13:12, 16:34.

 

Hebrews 2:1-4 also says, “It presently/ongoingly behooves us to presently/ongoingly give heed more abundantly to the things that we have been hearing lest ever we should drift away . . . a logos message . . . how then will we escape [just recompense] [if] we-have-been-neglecting such a great salvation, which you’all-having-routinely lambano ‘grabbed hold of for yourselves to receive’ arche ‘from the beginning, chiefly’ spoken [the message] dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of the Lord [Jesus], [then] hupo ‘under the authority of’ those [disciples] having akouo listened/heard-to-understand/know [the message] eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ us, [the message] has been begaioo ‘confirmed/ratified, the ground under them made solid, sure, fully reliable’ [by] God routinely bearing-witness/testifying by-the-means-of [plural] semeionmiraculous signs given to confirm, corroborate, or authenticate’ te kai ‘and/coupled together with them’ wonders kai and/also by-the-means-of poikilos ‘various/diversified kinds of’ miracles kai and/also merismos ‘distribution of parts’ (a) kata down-from/according-to the will of Him (God).”  <Notes> a) compare 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 diairesis ‘distinct-differences, distributed-divisions made dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of personal choice [of God]’ of grace-gifts [into us], services/ministries [thru us to others], and energetically-effective workings [by God inside others].”

 

Certainly that’s what Hebrews 6:5 is referring to when it says of these Jewish-Christians “having already routinely geuomai ‘tasted the flavor of, eaten for nourishment, partaken of, enjoyed, experienced’ the kalos ‘beautiful, excellently-useful’ (a) of [singular] rhema ‘directly-spoken/heard word’ of God te and-both [plural] dunamis supernatural-enabling-powers of/belonging-to [singular] eminently-ready Age.”  Earlier before, Hebrews 1:3 says the “[singular] rhema ‘directly-spoken/heard word’ of/belonging-to the [singular] dunamis supernatural-enabling-power dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of Christ” is what “routinely phero ‘brings/carries along, maintains’ ALL things” in creation.  None of this is referring to bible verses!  <Notes> a) kalos:  1) to make beautiful physically or morally, this is distinctly the ‘beauty’ that comes from harmony or proportional symmetry and thus completeness, or 2) to make excellent in nature or character, thus well adapted for its use, and thus praiseworthy and noble.

 

After talking about how important it is to send out preachers of the gospel logos message for people to get saved, Paul humbly admits in Romans 10:17 “Therefore, trusting-relying-faith [is] ek out-from [genitive: of] akouo ‘listening/hearing to understand/know’ kai and/coupled this akouo hearing dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of [a/the singular] rhema ‘directly-spoken/heard word’ of/belonging-to Christ.”  In other words, they have become “sheep who akouo ‘listen/hear-to-understand/know the phone Voice of Christ to follow Him and be His disciple per John 10:3-4, 16, 27.  There is nothing here about reading bible verses!

 

In the book of 1 Corinthians that focuses so much on the supernatural grace-gifts of the Spirit, Paul says in v. 1:17 “For Christ . . . sent me . . . to preach the gospel:  absolutely-in-fact-NOT by-the-means-of wisdom of/belonging-to a logos message in order that the cross of the Christ in-possibility-NOT be kenoo ‘emptied out, rendered void without recognition of value’ for the logos message of the cross . . . to us presently/ongoing is-defined/exists-as [singular] dunamis supernatural, enabling-power of God.”

 

In 1 Corinthians 2:1, 4 Paul continues:  “Having come to you brethren, I came absolutely-in-fact-NOT kata down-from/according-to huperoche ‘superior, pre-eminent, elevated, or authoritative-sounding’ of speech or wisdom, kataggello ‘declaring/announcing exactly/decisively down to a point’ to you the testimony of God. . . . The logos message of mine kai and/coupled the kerugma ‘proclamation, heralding, preaching of fundamentals’ of mine [were to them] absolutely-in-fact-NOT by-the-means-of peithos ‘persuasive to trust, enticing to place confidence in, skillfullogos messages of/belonging-to wisdom but-instead by-the-means-of apodeixis demonstrable-proof of [singular] Spirit kai and/coupled/specifically of dunamis supernatural, enabling-power in order that your trusting-relying-faith might be in-possibility-NOT in/by/with [singular] wisdom of men but-instead in/by/with [singular] dunamis supernatural, enabling-power of God.”

 

Furthermore Paul said in Colossians 2:4, there were plenty of people going around with “pithanologia persuasive speech to delude” others.  But how would they know Paul’s speech was legitimate?  Even in Acts 18:24-26 the Jew named Apollos of Alexandria “was logios ‘eloquently gifted by learning/reason’ and dunatos powerfully-enabled in the scriptures and/also routinely fervent in spirit,” he nevertheless had to be katecheo ‘instructed for conversion purposes’ (a) in the way/road of the Lord . . . by Priscilla and Aquila who took him aside and extremely-accurately-expounded to him the way of God.”  Why did they do so?  Because was routinely epistamai ‘standing upon, grounded by knowledge acquired by close acquaintance, practice, or skill’ only of John-the-Baptist’s water-baptism, likely performing this for others after “speaking and/coupled earnestly teaching the thing concerning Jesus.”  <Notes> a) katecheo:  to sound down from or according to, thus to exactly learn ‘by sounds’ or repetition, to catechize or teach foundational truths for conversion purposes:  Luke 1:4; Acts 18:25, 21:21, 24; Romans 2:18; Galatians 6:6; 1 Corinthians 14:19.

 

This was NOT good enough, so Priscilla and Aquila catechized Apollos most likely involving water-baptism in the name/authority of Jesus not only for salvation but also for grace-gifts of the Spirit to minister with God’s enabling-power to ‘confirm, corroborate, or authenticate’ the gospel message, just as Tertullian said was still being taught by 200 AD!   John’s Baptism not being good enough to get the “free-gift of the Holy Spirit” had been the emphasis in Acts 1:5, 2:38, 41, 8:12-13, and 16 leading up to this verse and after in Acts 8:36, 9:18, 10:37, 48, 11:16, 13:24, 16:15, 33, 18:8, 19:3-5, 22:16.  Context clearly indicates what they instructed Apollos about!  Spirit-Baptism or Filling was expected to occur during water-baptism because there is only “One Baptism” per Ephesians 4:5. Paul explains in 1 Corinthians 4:20, “For the kingdom of God [exists] absolutely-in-fact-NOT by-the-means-of a logos message [of arrogant people] but-instead by-the-means-of dunamis supernatural, enabling-power.”  In v. 13:2 Paul speaks of “prophetic dunamis enabling-powers.

 

While supporting his own credentials in 2 Corinthians 12:12, Paul says: “Indeed the [plural] semeionmiraculous signs given to confirm, corroborate, or authenticate’ of the apostolos ‘sent-out, commissioned one’ were already performed among you by-the-means of all hupomeno ‘patient-endurance from remaining/tarrying behind subordinately-under the load/tensions of troubles’ by-the-means-of semeionmiraculous signs given to confirm, corroborate, or authenticate’ and/coupled wonders and/coupled miracles.” But earlier he says in v. 10:4 that “our weapons of warfare . . . have divine dunamis enabling-power to destroy [spiritual] strongholds.”  It sounds like a lot of people today are preaching a powerless gospel because they are Cessationists by denying the dunamis supernatural, enabling-powers of God – see Tongues – BT14.  How so?

 

In the parallel passage of Ephesians 6:10-19 in order to “dunamai be-powerfully-enabled [by the armor of God] to stand against the schemes of the devil,” Paul includes in vv. 17-18 to “dechomai ‘warmly-welcome . . . the sword of the Spirit, which presently/ongoingly exists-as/defined-as the rhema directly-spoken/heard word of God, thru-the-realizing-channel-of ALL proseuche conversational-prayer and/coupled deesis supplication, be routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying in every season by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit.”  We’ve seen this emphasis on “the rhema directly-spoken/heard word of God/Christ” above. We also know, this special kind of conversational-prayer that involves a lot of receiving of God’s rhema words is explained in 1 Corinthians 14:14-15, where Paul explicitly equates this to “presently/ongoingly proseuchomai conversationally-praying by-the-means-of glossa tongues/languages by-the-means-of The Spirit of/belonging-to him.”  The same is true of “psalming” with instruments whether lyrics are involved or not, clearly distinguishing either of these 2 practices with instead performing them “by-the-means-of the mind of/belonging-to him,” and furthermore purposes to do ALL of this.  The Cessationists would never do so, and so they preach a powerless gospel!  Paul would have some words with them!

 

Again in 1 Thessalonians 1:5, Paul says:  “The gospel of/belonging-to us did absolutely-in-fact-NOT come eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ you by-the-means-of a logos message only, but-instead also by-the-means-of dunamis supernatural, enabling-powers kai and/specifically by-the-means-of [singular] Holy Spirit kai and/consequently by-the-means-of [singular] polus much plerophoria ‘FULL coming-to-bear, carry-through assurance/confidence.’  Their great assuredness is the direct result of the supernatural powers of the Holy Spirit, not just the gospel message!  Paul is reminding them where they have placed their faith – not on talk but God’s demonstrable power!

 

In summing up his gospel ministry to the Gentiles in Romans 15:17-19, Paul makes it clear:  “In Christ Jesus I hold-to-have the kauchesis ‘boasting in achievement’ in the things pros ‘toward and interfacing with’ God, for I will dare absolutely-in-fact-NOT presently/ongoingly speak of anything except what Christ has already accomplished dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of me eis ‘toward and reaching to the goal of’ [singular] obedience of the Gentiles by-the-means-of [singular] logos message and/coupled [singular] ergo work – by-the-means-of [singular] dunamis supernatural, enabling-power of semeionmiraculous signs given to confirm, corroborate, or authenticate’ and/coupled wonders by-the-means-of [singular] dunamis supernatural, enabling-power of the Spirit of God – so that . . . I have already [with lasting results] peplerokenai ‘fully-to-completion proclaimed’ the gospel of the Christ.”  Apparently a lot of people today can’t make that claim because they don’t preach “a full gospel!”  The real work is the supernatural “accompanying, confirming, and authenticating” that God does when He “works with” our preaching.  But do we even have the same message as He wants?  Or the trusting-relying-faith for Him to work?

 

The proof to Peter that the Gentiles were being added to the kingdom of God “just as we have” in Acts 10:44-48 was that even during Peter’s preaching of the gospel logos message to them, “the Holy Spirit fell on ALL . . . they were amazed because the grace-gift of the Holy Spirit had been [with ongoing effects] poured out even upon the Gentiles, for they were continually akouo hearing-to-understand/know them routinely speaking by-the-means-of tongues and/coupled megaluno ‘making/declaring as great/conspicuous, magnifying, esteeming-highly, extolling, lauding, celebrating, giving glory/praise’ God.”  Tongues was proof they were being chosen for salvation, so we see that Peter had them all water-baptized to insure their salvation!  This also shows us what is in tongues going back to God – High Praise!  Do we want this?

 

When Peter reports this event to Jerusalem church in Acts 11:15-17, “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning,” but the only common evidence to that occurrence in Acts 2:4 is “they began to speak by-the-means-of heteros ‘others-of-a-different-kind’ glossa tongues/languages kathos ‘down-from/according-to the extent/degree of, corresponding to fully/exactly as’ the Spirit edidou ‘[continually] was giving/granting-as-a-gift, supplying/furnishing, enduing’ to them to presently/ongoingly apophtheggomai to ‘speak/utter out/forth or pronounce/declare to make a generic/unintelligible sound resembling the whinny of a horse’.”  Again, tongues was the obvious proof they were given the grace-gift of the Holy Spirit.  “Then I remember the rhema ‘directly-spoken/heard [singular] word’ of the Lord, how He said, ‘John baptized by-the-means-of water, but you shall actually be baptized by-the-means-of the Holy Spirit.’  If then God gave the same dorea ‘unmerited, unentitled, free-given gift’ to them as also to us, having had trusting-relying-faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?”  It sure seem like a lot of pastors are “standing in God’s way!”

 

This “gift” isn’t a one-time event throughout the early history of the Church either!  The same Christians get Spirit-baptized again and again (a), just as the apostle Paul was (b).  This was Normal Christianity!  See how much of the Church has fallen away!  In fact, Paul’s strong urgings use the Greek present imperative for being “completely-filled with all the abundant-fullness of God . . . [I strongly urge you to] presently/ongoingly become completely-filled by-the-means-of the Spirit” (c).  And I bet they all expected tongues to ongoingly show up at these ongoing Spirit-Baptisms!  <Notes> a) Acts 1:5, 2:2, 4, 4:8, 31, 10:47, 11:16, 13:52, b) Acts 9:17, 13:9, c) Ephesians 3:19, 5:18.

 

Jesus used as the concluding ‘action step’ of His Prayer model, as all good teachers leave their students with, the Greek present participle to express ‘routine, lifestyle habits’ for all Christians to “be aiteo asking for in order to receive” the agathos ‘inherently or intrinsically good as excellent, distinguished, salutary, upright, honorable, useful, beneficial, suitable, advantageous’ things from the Father to those who routinely aiteo subordinately-ask Him,” which in parallel definitely starts out with the “agathos ‘good’ doma ‘specific, beneficial bounty/present or gift’ of the Holy Spirit from the Father” (a).  Expanding on this Jesus also uses the present participles for zeteo ‘inquiring by investigating to reach a resolution, searching to get to the bottom of the matter’ until you find and/also knocking until the door is opened” to further emphasize persevering prayer (b).  Without persevering to lambano ‘grab hold for yourself to receive’ this special gift of the Holy Spirit, your previous prayers for “God’s kingdom to come and will to be done” (c) are just ‘wishing upon a star!’  And I bet Jesus expected tongues to regularly show up at these routine occurrences! <Notes> a) Luke 11:13 and Matthew 7:11, cf. James 1:17, b) Matthew 7:8; Luke 11:9-10, c) Matthew 6:9; Luke 11:2.

 

Now that we have been “instructed in the way of the Lord,” let us stop doubting and instead embracing all free-gift of the Holy Spirit by getting water-baptized in the name/authority of Jesus Christ and expect to lambano ‘grab hold of to receive” His grace-gifts from the Holy Spirit “into us, thru us, and for God’s work in others”  Let’s have the trusting-relying-faith to become empowered so that we can “work with God” by not only preaching His gospel logos message but with demonstrable-proofs of miracles, sign, and wonders, and grace-gifts, including the enabling-power of prophecy and tongues to the 3 audiences-purposes of:  to ourselves to build us up (no interpretation needed), to others in the church-assembly to build them up (interpretation needed), or to unbelievers to witness/preach the gospel (no interpretation needed).

 

 

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That’s what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 14:22 but quotes “the Law” in v. 14:21 as proof.  However, even though bibles indicate this is Deuteronomy 28:49 it would be an obscure reference, except for the last part of not listening to God:  “a nation far away being brought by the Lord against Israel, a nation who phone voice/language/dialect you absolutely-in-fact-NOT akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know.”  More likely Paul is citing Isaiah 28:11-12 “For dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of heteros ‘another of a different kind of’ (a) cheilos  ‘lips that produces languages/dialects’; [plural] heteroglossos ‘another-of-a-different-kind of tongues/languages’ (b) I (God) (c) will speak to these people [d: to whom He (God) (e) has said (f), ‘This is the rest; give rest to the weary; and this is repose,’] yet they would absolutely-in-fact-NOT eisakouo deeply listen/hear-to-understand/know” (g).  Anybody who says we are highly confident in the text of the bible is trying to sell you property in the Florida’s swamps – see Bible Info.

 

<Notes> a) LXX Greek: phatne  ‘a manger made from a cattle feeding box’ sound off-the-wall, or more likely Hebrew laeg stammering/mocking because of the way Isaiah mocks the future rabbis of Christ’s day and their way of ‘knowing God’ – see New Covenant-BT17,  –BT18, and Least Among You – BT3, b) LXX Greek: dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of heteros ‘another of a different kind of’ [singular] glossa tongue/language, c) LXX Greek: they or Hebrew: He (God), d) this section is missing in Paul’s writing, e) LXX Greek: they – this may be a reference to the Pentecost 120 disciples and others afterwards that spoke God’s message even by tongues, which fits Isaiah’s argument, f) Greek LXX: is presently-routinely-saying, g) Hebrew & LXX simply has akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know, and Paul adds: “Me, says the Lord.”

 

We also see Jesus and other New Testament writers refer to all parts of the Old Testament as “The Law” – see Logos Word of God – BT5a, but Christians aren’t supposed to have anything to do with the Law – see New Covenant Ways – BT4b.  Jesus is also obviously alluding to Isaiah 28’s “rest and repose” when He said in Matthew 11:28, “Come here now close-beside Me, all who labor and/coupled are heavily-burdened, and I will give you rest” for Hebrews 4:9 indicates that Jesus is “the Sabbath Rest for the people of God.”  This is integral to the gospel logos message that the Messiah and His disciples would preach that Isaiah predicts the teachers would mock.

 

Now Paul says in 1 Corinthians 14:22 that these “different-in-kind-of lips producing different-in-kind-of glossa tongues/languages” from v. 14:21 that Isaiah 28:11-12 prophesied about are actually the Holy Spirit’s grace-gift of supernatural glossa tongues/languages given as “a semeionmiraculous signs given to confirm, corroborate, or authenticate’ to the apistos ones-NOT-having-trusting-relying-faith.”  But this particular grace-gift is coming from people who have trusting-relying-faith (a), who have been given the “grace-gift of the Holy Spirit” (b) that is “promised to you and your children and for all who are far off, all that God calls to Himself” during “the last days/times” or “the end of the age(s)” or Gospel-Church Age from Acts 2:4 Pentecost on until the return of Christ (c) in order to convince the “apistos ones-NOT-having-trusting-relying-faith” from many nations of the validity of the gospel’s logos message (d).  Yet, Paul found that so many Jews refused to have trusting-relying-faith in their Messiah Jesus, just as Isaiah prophesied!  Nevertheless, we saw above that Jesus says He still is the place of “rest and repose” for the weary [in context: of the burden of the Law that the rabbis overburdened them with], just as we see Isaiah and Paul saying. <Notes> a) Mark 16:17, b) Acts 2:38, 10:45; Hebrews 6:4, c) 1 Peter 1:20; Hebrews 1:2, 9:26; Acts 2:17, 39; 1 Corinthians 10:11; 2 Timothy 3:1; James 5:3; 2 Peter 3:3, until it’s finality at the great harvest when the Church is “raptured/removed” before the Judgement of the Earth:  Matthew 13:39-40, 49; 24:3, 28:20, d) Matthew 24:14, 28:19; Mark 13:10; Luke 24:47; Romans 1:5, 16:26; 1 Timothy 3:16.

 

Indeed Isaiah 28:2-6 speaks of the “Lord having One who is mighty and strong like a storm of hail, a destroying tempest . . . in that DAY Yahweh of angelic armies will be a crown of glory like a diadem of beauty to the remnant of His people and a Spirit of justice . . . a strength to those . . .”  The passage is clearly speaking of the coming Messiah to rescue some from “the Great and Awesomely-Terrifying Day of the Lord” against the faithless, raging nations (a).  But in Isaiah 28:7-8 to the rabbinical “priests and prophets” of Christ’s day:  “they reel with wine, stagger with strong drink, they reel in [prophetic] vision, they stumble in giving judgment, for their tables are full of filthy vomit with no space left [for true prophets to speak at].” <Notes> a) 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10; 1 Corinthians 5:5; Acts 2:20 referring to:  Amos 5:18; Joes 1:15, 2:1-2, 11, 31, 3:14; Isaiah 13:6, 9; Jeremiah 46:10, Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3, Zephaniah 1:7-8, 14, Zechariah 14:1f, Malachi 4:5.

 

We know about these study “tables” from Paul in Romans 11:7-10 to explain why much of “Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking.  The elect (the Church) obtained it, but the rest were hardened, as it is written [in Isaiah 29:10] (a) – ‘God gave them a spirit of stupor (b), eyes that would in-possibility-NOT see and ears that would in-possibility-NOT akouo ‘listen/hear-to-understand/know’, down to this very day’.”  Paul said it was still going on!  Then Paul cites David in Psalms 69:22-23, “Let their table become a snare (c) and a trap (d), a stumbling block (e) and [finally] a retribution (f) for them: [by] letting their eyes be darkened so that cannot eido ‘mentally ‘see’ to perceive/know’ (g) and their backs completely bent (h) continually.”  There’s that key word eido from Jeremiah 31:34 that God promises for ALL His children under the completely-different-in-kind New Covenant, especially to the “least among you.”  <Notes> a) This is a common theme in Deuteronomy 29:4, Isaiah 43:8, Jeremiah 5:21, and Ezekiel 12:2, b) appropriate for the drunks they were, c) for birds, d) for animals, e) trap/snare trigger causing the trap to be sprung, f) vengeful recompense: pay back! g) eido is prophetic vision as prophesied in Jeremiah 31:34 is the key to being able to horao ‘see with the mind or perceive inwardly’ horasis ‘visions’ as prophecy due to Spirit-Baptism in Acts 2:17-19 for ALL of God’s servants, h) also a metaphor of a captive under a securing, burdening yoke of slavery, but also figuratively of hardness of heart from error.

 

Sola Scriptura “By Scripture Alone” students can really only prove they have gnosis info-knowledge!  Paul says they are cursed!  They are “blind guides, the blind leading the blind so that both fall into the pit [of hell]” (a). All they have to show for all their study is sore, bent backs and they are cursed with “bent backs continually!”  Are we calling Christians to this same failed, cursed approach to knowing God? <Notes> a) Matthew 15:14; 23:16, 24.

 

So Isaiah 28:9 asks this question “to whom will He (Christ) anagello announce-declare [in detail] tidings (a) or yarah throw out-instruction and/coupled to whom will He make to discern-understand (b) the shemuah/aggelia announced-message (c)?”  Certainly not these rabbinical “priests and prophets” who were still so immature from God’s viewpoint, “just weaned from milk drawn from the breasts.”  The New Testament writers and early Church had a list of about 600 OT verses about the Messiah and New Covenant they used to catechize-‘teach-by-rote as if little children’ Jews to convert them to Christ, about 2.6% of the OT, but these prophetic “oracles of God” was still considered “babies milk” just as Isaiah alluded to, in comparison to the “solid food” of the prophetic discernment of the Holy Spirit (d).

 

<Notes> a) The term eu + aggelion for good tidings/news is used 76 times for the ‘Great News’ of gospel logos message throughout the New Testament, b) biyn: mentally distinguish for understanding and discernment – see New Covenant Ways – BT16 and Bible Info – BT2 and Least Among You – BT8 – or diligently/eloquently instruct. The Greek is again anagello, c) shemuah: something heard, announcement, news report, rumor, tidings, fame, doctrine; aggelia: thing announced, a precept or message – see logos Word of God, d) 1 Corinthians 3:2; Hebrews 5:12-13, not to be confused with 1 Peter 2:2 milk directly from the Spirit.  I had a vision on 11-21-21 that explain the Spirit’s comforting milk.

 

Jesus accuse the scribes and Pharisees in John 5:38-40 that “presently/ongoingly diligently search/study the scriptures” as the expert bible-students of the day, although they simply “routinely bear-witness/testify peri all-around-about Me, you are presently/ongoingly absolutely-in-fact-NOT optimally-desiring to come to Me in order that you may presently/ongoing hold-to-have zoe genuine-life.”  The bible-experts just went back to their bible-study of the Old Testament logos ‘Word of God’ instead of the phone Voice of the Lord.  I find myself falling into this “snare, trap, and stumbling block” all too often, ending up with only “a bent back continually.”  The problem is that so many churches and seminaries preach this – they are insuring they will stay in business!  The rabbis made a good living for 1500 years doing this – see Ministry Finances.

 

Isaiah 28:13 says of these people that the Lord is calling to “rest and repose,” that instead they “absolutely-in-fact-NOT eakouo deeply listen/hear-to-understand/know:   “And/thus the logos message of Yahweh will be to THEM precept (a) upon precept, precept upon precept, line (or rule) upon line (or rule), line upon line, here a little (b), there a little.”  You have to be careful to follow the Hebrew & Greek LXX pronouns to know who is talking to who, something that English bibles do a terrible job of – see Bible Info for more problems with translations.  Many scholars (c) have correctly seen in the Hebrew this to be a gibberish, childish song of mocking those “priests and prophets” who are the so-called “wise and understanding-ones” (d), as did Jeremiah (e) and Jesus (f) and Paul (g).  Isaiah mocks their rabbinical methods of teaching people how to know God through bible-study even as they had mocked the prophets, even Isaiah, and ultimately killing them all, just as Jesus said they did (h), as they planned on doing to the Son (i), and that they would do to Christ’s prophets and apostles (j).  This exactly describes the rabbinical method of “diligently searching/studying the scripture” that Jesus spoke of in John 5:38 to understand God’s will as a series of “precepts, regulations, ordinances” of the Law “taught by humans” by rote (k) – a very slow, difficult, process with comparatively childish results!  Why are so many churches and Christians wanting to follow the same failed methods of the Jewish rabbis?

 

<Notes> a) command, ordinance, oracle, b) “In this case the Hebrew zeer for “a little” refers to the short syllabic structure of the babbling – cf. CEV “senseless sound after senseless sound,” Revised English Bible and see pg. 1010 of Koehler, L., W. Baumgartner, and J. J. Stamm. The Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament, c) The NET bible says the repetitive syllables of “indeed a little there, a little here” or “command after command, command after command” are gibberish that resembles baby talk [cf. v. 28:9b] and mimics what the people will hear when foreign invaders conquer the land [v. 28:11], d) Isaiah 29:14, e) Jeremiah 8:9, f) Matthew 11:25; Luke 10:21, g) 1 Corinthians 1:19, h) Matthew 23:37; Luke 11:47, 13:34; cf. Acts 7:52; Romans 11:3; possibly 1 Thessalonians 2:15, i) Matthew 21:38; Mark 8:31, 9:31; Luke 9:22; 1 Thessalonians 2:15, j) Luke 11:49; possibly 1 Thessalonians 2:15, k) Romans 2:26; Colossians 2:20, 22; Hebrews 9:1, 10; Ephesians 2:15.

 

The Message Bible says:  “We’re not babies in diapers to be talked down to by such as you – ‘Da, da, da, da, blah, blah, blah, blah. That’s a good little girl, that’s a good little boy.’”  The Expanded Bible  notes:  “This may be the people mocking the words of the true prophets as nonsense,” but I find that careful analysis of the Hebrew and Greek LXX shows that it’s actually God through the true prophets like Isaiah who are mocking these false priest-teachers and prophetsThe Living Bible says: “he (wrong pronoun) tells us everything over and over again, a line at a time and in such simple words.”  Names of God Bible says:  “They (correct pronoun) speak utter nonsense.”  Gill’s exposition notes say:  “Signifying, that they (correct pronoun) must be dealt with as children were, when first instructed in the rudiments of a language, first had one rule given them, and then another, and so one after another till they had gone through the whole.”  This is exactly the New Testament’s argument in Paul’s writings and the Book of Hebrews about the Jewish people needing child-like, hand-holding ‘rote’ padagogos or paideuo childlike-training of the stoicheion elementary ‘abc’ fundamentals of the gramma writings of graphe scripture (a) that was baby’s “milk” because the “solid food” was discernment by the Holy Spirit.  The failed rabbinical method of expository teaching is childlike but we have entire church denominations like Calvary Chapel that pride themselves in this – see New Covenant Ways – BT16 and Bible Info – BT2, and Least Among You – BT8<Notes> a) Hebrews 5:12-13; Romans 3:2; Acts 7:38; 1 Peter 4:11.

 

Matthew Henry notes:  “Those (correct pronoun) that teach are drunk with wine, or intoxicated with false doctrines and notions.”  Barnes notes:  “There is a constant repetition of the command, without ornament, imagery, or illustration; without an appeal to our understanding, or respect for our reason; it is simply one mandate after another, just as lessons are inculcated upon children.”  Keil and Delitzch note: “the short words are intended to throw ridicule upon the smallness and vexatious character of the prophet’s interminable and uninterrupted chidings,” but although this may that the rabbis are mocking God’s prophets, it’s clear from the pronouns and context and New Testament fulfillment that God is throwing this right back in their faces!

 

It’s all about context!  Isaiah 28:1-9 is a chastisement and a warning by God to Ephraim directed to the false teacher-priests and prophets through the prophet Isaiah about their drunkenness and to stop corrupting the rhema spoken ‘word of God’ through the addition or replacement of these written prophecies with their own words from rabbinical bible-study – where we get The Oral Torah or Traditions of the Elders that Jesus and Paul had great disdain for (a) – who therefore embraced idolatry; thereby contaminating the truths in graphe scripture about the God whom they were commanded to worship (b).  What these false teacher-priests and prophets add with their rabbinical Oral Traditions is childish gibberish!  Why?  Because the written-words were for childlike ‘rote’ learning and now they are adding even more to it!  What they should be doing right now is listening to their true prophets speak, but they go back to writings!  <Notes> a) Matthew 15:2-3, 6; Mark 7:3-13; Galatians 1:14; Colossians 2:8, b) cf. Isaiah 8:19-20.

 

What was the result of turning away from the person of Jesus and direct revelation from the Holy Spirit through prophesy?  Isaiah goes onto say in v. 28:13:  “That they [these teachers] may go, and fall backward kai and/related be broken kai and/related snared kai and/related lakad/alisgema ‘captured, seized, taken, entrapped/polluted, contaminated, or threshed” – see New Covenant Ways – BT17 and – BT18.

 

What amazes me is how many bible-scholars and translators get some of the details correct, but then don’t evidently have the discernment of the Holy Spirit, don’t read Isaiah 28 carefully, especially the pronouns and the context, and don’t see how the New Testament repeatedly uses Isaiah 28 to explain Acts 2:5-6 Pentecost-thru-Church-Age glossa tongues/languages as a “proving sign for unbelievers” that Paul also cites in 1 Corinthians 14:21-23 to build an argument for proper Christian use of glossa tongues/languages in church-assemblies, even though Isaiah 28’s “false priest-teachers and prophets” are clearly the scribes & Pharisees of Christ’s day who indeed in Acts 2:13 mocked the 120 upper-room disciples who were the true prophets of that Pentecost, saying: “They (the tongueprophesiers) are mestoo filled-full-with gleukos ‘highly-inebriating, fresh-juice, sweet, newly fermented wine’.”  This is exactly what Isaiah said would happen, but we know from Isaiah and Jesus that these rabbis were drunken hypocrites (a).  The New Testament is the “substance and reality” of the Old Testament “shadows and copies” (b).  You must always interpret backwards for the greater light of the New Testament, but it doesn’t look like some of these commentators bothered to do so! <Notes> a) Matthew 6:2, 5, 16, 7:5, 15:7 citing Isaiah, 22:18, 23:13, 15, 23, 25, 27, 29; Mark 7:6 citing Isaiah; Luke 6:42, 12:56, 13:15, b) Colossians 2:17; Hebrews 8:5, 10:1.

 

Therefore, tongues is an effective “miraculous proving-sign to authenticate” ‘The Great News” of the gospel logos message for 1 of the 3 ‘intended audiences” Paul addresses in 1 Corinthians – the apistos unbelievers and absolutely NO interpretation is needed because when God interprets His directly-spoken rhema words inside them to produce trusting-relying-faith.  That’s what makes it a “miraculous proving-sign” to them!

 

Thank the Lord that He gives to some people according to 1 Corinthians 12:6 diairesis ‘distinct-differences, distributed-divisions made dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of personal choice [of God]’ of diakonia ‘services/ministries thru them toward others’ kai and/also diairesis ‘distinct-differences, distributed-divisions made dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of personal choice [of God]” of energema ‘energized, operating, working effects or results.”  In other words, the Lord works thru these people to produce His work in others – here apistos unbelievers!  The Lord gets all the credit because we are only vessels!  All we have to do is surrender to the Lord, open our mouths, and have trusting-relying-faith that He will do the rest!  That’s what I will do in parks as I give prophetic Drum-Declarations!  I know the Lord will people with those sound waves, from my drums and/or lips, amplify them and translate them into what He wants them to understand!

 

 

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My pride kept me for a long time from surrendering my control to “let go and let God” take control of my tongue without me understanding what was being said!  However, per 1 Corinthians 14:14-15, it still comes down to offering up your mind’s “fruitfulness or productivity” planning, thinking, scheming, rational understanding, and “might and powerskills to allow the Holy Spirit to instead have mastery/control per Galatians 5:23 of your “bodily members,” whether it’s your tongue to speak tongues, your mouth and breath for wind-instruments, your fingers and arms for stringed-instruments and piano, or arms for snare-drummers, or arms & legs for the drum-set players.  It really comes down to making the choice of Romans 6:13 “presenting yourself (the internal) to God . . . and your members (the externals) to God as instruments for dikaiosune divinely-approved-righteousness.”  And what could be more “righteous or divinely-approved” of than worship when God has your internal and externals, thus your whole self?

 

A lot of people are proud to be proud, but Jesus said it is one of “evil things that come from within” or “out of the heart of man” that “defiles a person” (Mark 7:21-23, cf. Matthew 15:11, 17-18, 19-20 that don’t include pride in the list).  John warns:  “For all that is in the world – the desires/lusts of the flesh and the desires/lusts of the eyes and/coupled alozoneia ‘vagabond, quack, snake-oil salesman vaunting or making empty boasts’ of life – presently/ongoingly is absolutely-in-fact-NOT out-from the Father but-instead presently/ongoingly is out-from the world, kai and/but the world presently/ongoingly is passing away along and the desire/lust of it.  However, the one routinely doing the will of God presently/ongoingly meno ‘abide, remains, lives’ eis ‘toward and reaching the goal/end of’ the age.  Paul warns Gentiles coming into the kingdom because of the rejection of the Jews:  “So [I strongly urge you to] do in-possibility-NOT presently/ongoingly be hupselos phroneo ‘high/lofty minding in thinking/judgment/opinion’ but-instead presently/ongoingly be reverentially-fearful” (Romans 11:20).  Mary’s ecstatic song of praise to God says “He has scattered the huperephanos ‘over-shining proud’ in the thoughts of their hearts” (Luke 1:51).  Paul warns Timothy that “In the last days . . . men will be self-lovers . . . alazon ‘vagabond, quack, snake-oil salesman vaunting or making empty boasts’, huperephanos ‘over-shining proud’” (2 Timothy 3:2).  James & Peter both cite Proverbs 3:34 “opposes/stands-firm against the proud/unteachable but gives unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace to the lowly/teachable.”

 

From 1992-2008 I backslid from the Lord in rebellion against what I experienced as hypocritical, worldly churches, but in the process I only became worldly!  I had ‘thrown the baby out with the bathwater!’  I wanted to be the next big Motivational Speaker and wholly embraced the idea of Maslow’s peak of human realization or self-actualization, that we are “the captain of our own ships” and can make our lives into anything we want, even creating a website called “UmakeITso.com.”  Talk about the pride of life!  The Lord started around 2005 showing me what a crock all that was!

 

However, will we agree with Paul?  “I know that absolutely-in-fact-NOT one thing agathos agathos ‘inherently or intrinsically good as excellent, distinguished, salutary, upright, honorable, useful, beneficial, suitable, advantageous’ dwells in me, that is, in my flesh” (a).

 

The real limitation is our prideful flesh that places our trusting-relying-faith in the wrong place – on man’s own limited, natural “might and power” abilities or actions instead of on the Spirit’s supernatural enabling-power.  Like Zechariah 4:6 says we must make the transition if we want to live in the New Covenant.  In 1 Corinthians 14:14-15 Paul decides that he will pray and psalm both with his “fruitful, productive mind” and also “let go and let God” but NOT doing so by instead letting the Spirit take over control – in tongues!  Will we take Paul’s strong urgings to speak tongues to God, even though no one, including ourselves understand it, but nevertheless utter hidden-mysteries by-the-means-of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 14:2, 28)?  Don’t we want to give eulogizing-thanks to God (1 Corinthians 14:16)?  Don’t we want to pray for an interpretation from ourselves or someone else so that we can give it to others in church-assemblies so that they will have a revelation, logos message of gnosis knowledge, logos message of wisdom, prophecy, or teaching directly from the mind of God via His Spirit (Romans 8:27; 1 Corinthians 14:5-6, 26-27, 30)?

 

 

 

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BT4:  We are NOT to be “ignorant” or “idiots” regarding the Spirit’s gifts including tongues meant for 3 different audiences with 3 different purposes with 3 different sets of advice for use

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Paul dealt with this problem of the Corinthian Christians who were just plain ignorant in 1 Corinthians 12:1-11:  “Now concerning Spirit-kind-of grace-gifts, brethren, I absolutely-in-fact-NOT thelo ‘optimally want’ you to agnoeo ‘be ignorant’ (a):  You have already [with ongoing results] eido mentally ‘seen’ to perceive/known’ that when you continually-were-actively ethnos ‘heathen Gentiles’  pros ‘[bowing/prostrate] toward and interfacing with’ [as worshippers of] the idols, those mute [ones], even as you were continually-being-passively-led-to routinely be-passively-carried-away . . . [then Paul convinces them that being able to say “Jesus is Lord” as the standard surrendering-confession of water-baptism salvation per Romans 10:9, is only possible by the Holy Spirit presumably speaking to/thru you unlike mute idols]. . . Now, there actually, presently/ongoingly are diairesis ‘distinct-differences, distributed-divisions made dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of personal choice [of God]’ of grace-gifts kai and/but the autos same Spirit and/coupled there actually, presently/ongoingly are diairesis ‘God-chosen varieties’ of ministries/services kai and/but the autos same Lord [Jesus] and/coupled there actually, presently/ongoingly are diairesis ‘God-chosen varieties’ of energema ‘energized, operating, working effects or results’ kai and/but the autos same God [Father], the [One] routinely energeo ‘energizingly working within to bring about the next step’ pas ‘all of these types of’ things in/by/with everyone. Now to hekastos ‘each individual separately/distinctly’ is presently/ongoingly given the enlightening-manifestation of the Spirit pros ‘moving toward the goal of’ the sumphero common-profiting.  For to one is presently/ongoingly given dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of the Spirit the logos-message of/belonging-to wisdom, now to allos another-of-a-similar-type a logos-message of/belonging-to knowledge kata down-from/according-to the same Spirit . . . now to allos another-of-a-similar-type prophecy,  . . . to heteros another-of-a-different-kind (b) [plural] genos ‘races, family-groups, kinds, sorts’ (c) of glossa tongues/languages, now to allos another-of-a-similar-type the interpretation of glossa tongues/languages.  Now the one and/coupled the same Spirit actually, presently/ongoingly energeo ‘energizingly working within to bring to the next point’ ALL these-things, diaireo ‘apportioning, assigning, or distributing by a superior’ idios ‘peculiarly to the individual’ hekastos ‘each individual separately/distinctly’ kathos ‘just as, according the manner in which’ He presently/ongoingly [reflexively] boulomai ‘resolutely plans, stronger than thelo optimally-desires’.”  Whew, Paul sure is a long-winded lawyer!  Greek is way more specific than your English bibles!  <Notes> a) where get our word “agnostic” – not a flattering term, though I once claimed to be, b) where we get our word ‘heterosexual’, c) where we get our word “genus” vs. “species.”

 

Working in 15 worship ministries, I have found a LOT of Christians that are very “ignorant” of ALL of this, often because of terrible bible translations – see Bible Info!  Can you see all the different ways that God wants to speak “in and thru His Body-of-Christ into others?”  God is not a “mute idol,” but many Christians who are Cessationists believing that all this ceased sometime in the 1st century are back to worshipping a “mute idol” – their bible! See Tongues – BT14.

 

There is NOT just 1 genos ‘family/kind/sort’ of glossa tongue/language given to only 1 group of people in 1 Corinthians 12:10 above, i.e., speaking with their own tongue/language, nor can we assume only 1 genos ‘family/kind/sort of’ tongue/language by-the-means-of the Spirit, as we will see, and this heteros ‘others-of-a-different-kind’ group of people are given these [plural] genos ‘families’ of glossa tongues/languages, which by definition makes these people different than all other allos people that the other grace-gifts are given to.  How so?  Can you see how much is ‘lost in translation’ in our English Bibles – see Bible Info?

 

Paul will explain that all the OTHER grace-gifts are “varieties of ministry/services” from 1 Corinthians 12:5 above are to “build up the Church” (a) or “to build up the other person,” even the idiotes ‘conspicuously lacking in understanding’ (b) for “the sumphero common-profiting” (c), and even the genos ‘family/kind/sort of’ glossa tongues/languages that are interpreted, so that “if I come to you speaking/uttering” them they are “opheleo beneficially-profitable to you” exactly because they “bring to you either in/by/with [singular] revelation or in/by/with [singular] gnosis informational-knowledge or in/by/with [singular] prophecy or in/by/with [singular] didache teaching” (d), especially because Paul says “in/by/with the church-assembly I would rather speak 5 words by-the-means-of my mind in order to katecheo ‘catechize:  sound-down, teach foundational truths thru repetition’ other-people than 10,000 words by-the-means-of a [singular] glossa tongue/language (e).  Switching from allos to heteros people is because all the other grace-gifts than the plural ‘families’ of tongues is entirely “others-oriented,” but we will find that 1 of the 3 ‘families’ of tongues is “self-oriented.”  This makes those practitioners heteros from the others in this respect. <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 14:12, 26, b) 1 Corinthians 14:16, these idiotes may be ignorant Christians differentiated from unbelievers in 1 Corinthians 14:23-24.  This should not be confused with those “exo outside the Church” in 1 Corinthians 5:12.  Bibles translating different Greek words the same sure can create confusion and wrong doctrine – see Bible Info, c) 1 Corinthians 12:7, d) 1 Corinthians 14:6, e) 1 Corinthians 14:13, 19, 26-28.

 

Paul uses the term sunerchomai ‘coming/assembling together’ (a) regarding the ekklesia ‘called-out ones, the saints, the church’ as but 1 of the 3 audience-purposes of various grace-gifts – some grace-gifts are “to/into us” but the 2 others are “thru us and then into others” per 1 Corinthians 12:4-6.  The problem of many Christians is their preoccupation with SELF instead of “discerning or preferring” the Lord’s Body-of-Christ, as seen in 1 Corinthians 10:14-22.  So although Paul addresses grace-gifts “into individuals” and directed “to yourself” for “building up oneself” as one audience-purpose, he is more concerned for those given by the Spirit “thru individuals and into others” for “another’s benefit” or “for the common-profiting.”  Therefore, Paul’s emphasis is on words like heautou ‘each other reciprocally’ where hekastos ‘each individual separately/distinctly’ should bring some Body-Ministry grace-gift to their church-assemblies, while focusing on allelon ‘one another, mutual, reciprocal’ unconditional-love, waiting to eat at love-feasts/Lord’s Suppers, equally-caring for Body-of-Christ members and not divisiveness, and greeting one another with a holy kiss (b).  <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 11:17, 18, 20, 33, 34, 14:23, 26, b) 1 Corinthians 11:3, 12:25, 16:20.

 

Although every one of the grace-gifts above that are pros ‘moving toward the goal of’ the sumphero common-profiting” of 1 Corinthians 12:7 above, even when there are diairesis ‘distinct-differences, distributed-divisions made thru-the-realizing-channel-of personal choice [of God],” all these people-types receiving these types of grace-gifts are therefore allos, ‘others-of-the-similar-kind’ because of the “common-profiting” intended-purpose of their grace-gifts.

 

However, Paul abruptly diverts from allos people and their grace-gifts in 1 Corinthians 12:10 above to [plural] genos ‘families/kinds/sorts’ of glossa tongues/languages given to a heteros ‘other-of-a-different-kind-of’ persons, different because all the other grace-gifts, including interpretation of tongues, are intended for only 1 audience-purpose and that is “to benefit others” for “the common-profiting.”  These ‘families’ of tongues are different!

 

1 Corinthians 12:27-30 also speaks of these [plural] genos ‘families/groups/kinds/sorts’ of glossa tongues/languages.  Paul reminds us that we are ALL “particular/unique members of the Body-of-Christ, kai and/but hos some-of-these [members] (a) indeed have-been God tithemi ‘put/set, fixed/established, appointed/ordained into place’ en into-the-location-of the Church-assembly: proton firstly/superlatively (b) apostles, deuteros secondly (b) prophets, tritos thirdly (b) teachers, then-to-continue-on miracles, then-to-continue-on grace-gifts of healing, helping, kubernesis ‘helmsman who steers a ship, pilot or captain, director who guides, administrates, etc,’ [plural] genos ‘families/groups/kinds/sorts’ of glossa tongues/languages.  Apostles me pantes in-possibility-NOT [are] ALL [members]; prophets me pantes in-possibility-NOT [are] ALL [members]; teachers me pantes in-possibility-NOT [are] ALL [members]; miracles (d) me pantes in-possibility-NOT [are] ALL [members]; [plural] grace-gifts of [plural] healings­ [are] me pantes in-possibility-NOT ALL [members] presently/ongoingly echo ‘holding-to-have’ (e); me pantes in-possibility-NOT ALL [members] [are] [them] presently/ongoingly speaking by-the-means-of [plural] tongues (f); me pantes in-possibility-NOT ALL [members] [are] [them] presently/ongoingly interpreting.”  No wonder Peter said of Paul in 2 Peter 3:16 “His letters contains some things that hard to understand!”  You have to really take your time even with the Greek, as we will below:

 

<Notes> a) this may pertain to the first three that are the only ones numbered:  apostles, prophets, and teachers which are part of the 4 ‘equipper’ member-groups (c) of the Church in Ephesians 4:11 that “Christ indeed didomi ‘gave as grace-gifts from v. 4:8, supplied/furnished as necessary’ some [as] apostles, then some prophets, then some evangelists, then some shepherds and/coupled teachers (c) pros ‘toward and reaching’ the katartismos ‘equipping by coaching & facilitating, adjusting down to exactly fit/work, thus enabling/completely-furnishing the parts to work together in correct order’ of the saints [members] eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ [singular] work of service/ministry eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ [singular] building-up of the Body-of-Christ.”  Once again we see this dominant ‘intended audience-purpose’ Paul speaks of frequently.

 

<Notes> b) these numbers are used as adverbs describing the manner or order in which God tithemi placed praxis ‘functioning’ per Romans 12:4 grace-gifts into the Church – see Obedient Steps of Faith – BT21, and are thus not adjectives describing the importance or ranks of individual members as if they were offices, positions, or titles – see Coaches & Facilitators-BT12, especially since this would go against Paul’s careful uses of words like metron ‘measuring-cup to measure equal amounts of something for fair trade/purchase’ in Romans 12:3, 2 Corinthians 10:13, Ephesians 4:7, 13, and 16 [see Obedient Steps of Faith – BT21] to point out God’s equality & impartiality and doctrine about this in Romans 2:11, Galatians 2:6, Ephesians 6:9, Colossians 3:25.  Otherwise, this would also go against Christ’s doctrine about titles in Matthew 23:8-10 and exercising authority over others in:  Matthew 20:20-28 paralleled in Mark 10:35-45 and Luke 22:24-30, because only Jesus is the “Head over” as Paul teaches:  Ephesians 1:22, 4:15, 5:23; Colossians 1:18, 2:10, 19; and 1 Corinthians 11:3.  Nevertheless, Paul does view “apostles and prophets” as the “foundation of the household of God” in Ephesians 2:10 and the “revealers by-the-means-of The Spirit of the [gospel] mystery of/belonging-to Christ previously hidden in previous generations” in Ephesians 3:4-5 making them the evangelist ‘equippers.’  Paul nowhere else elevates teachers, except that he is “a teacher of the Gentiles in addition to being an evangelist and apostle” in 1 Timothy 2:7.  These 3 numbers may also simply be a way of differentiating the 3 “members” of “grace-gifts of Christ” from the rest – see note ‘a.’   Wouldn’t it sound foolish to give positions, offices, and titles to any of these “placed unique members of the Body-of-Christ” as:  Apostle __ , Prophet __ , Teacher __ , Miracle-worker __ , Healer __ , Administrator __ , Tongue-speaker __ , or Tongue-Interpreter __ ?  You can’t cherry-pick with the bible!

 

None of these nouns are positions, offices, or titles, but members with varying grace-gifts having differing praxis functions!  In fact all these nouns, even “apostles, prophets, and teachers” are more likely verbal-nouns, short-hand ways of saying “members with the grace-gift of apostling, members with the grace-gift of prophesying, and members with the grace-gift of teaching.”  It’s like our use of “Garbage-Collector” for “the one who collects garbage.”  For example, out of 58 uses of “teacher” in the NT only 8 or 14% are used of Christians: 1 Corinthians 12:28-29; 2 Timothy 1:11; 1 Timothy 2:7; Ephesians 4:11; Acts 13:1; Hebrews 5:12, but the others are either positively referring to Jesus, negatively of the Jewish Law-teachers, or very negatively of demonically-inspired teachers!  Most uses are negatively describing teachers within an unbelieving, hostile world!  Concerning the office, position, or title of “teacher” James 3:1 “[strongly urges them] “in-possibility-NOT many routinely ginomai become, having already routinely eido ‘mentally ‘seen’ to perceive/know [with ongoing effects] that a meizon greater krima ‘judgment-verdict’ you shall indeed lambano ‘grab hold of to receive.’”  That’s why I sure don’t want to be your teacher, though I believe in “teaching one another, per Romans 15:14, Colossians 3:16, and other verses.  A key sign of religion is creation of hierarchy, positions, offices, and titles!  See Coaches & Facilitators.  I believe many church’s obsession with titles come from borrowing from the Old Testament and the world, which is exactly what builds The Great Wall quenching the Holy Spirit.

 

<Notes> c) the idea of a “5-fold ministry” is the result of poor bible-study.  Many Greek scholars see “shepherd and/coupled teachers” as 1 group because the first 3 nouns are listed without punctuation or any connectors and the 4th and 5th are linked with kai which is normally a coupler if not used with other connectors.  Also, Paul’s gives qualifications of “elders-shepherds-bishops who are able/skilled to teach” in 1 Timothy 3:2 and 2 Timothy 2:2, 24, giving those evangelizing and teaching double-honor in 1 Timothy 5:17.  For Paul’s uses of “teacher” as a verbal-noun, see note ‘b’ above.

 

<Notes> d) Because the noun ‘miracles’ is in the nominative case (subject) like the previous nouns and Paul maintains the same grammatical syntax phrase structure throughout, Paul may be thinking of this as “members who work miracles” as a verbal-noun or “miracle-workers,” because here dunamis is a [plural] noun that normally means “supernatural, dynamite-like, enabling-powers.”

 

<Notes> e) Although Paul breaks his pattern of Greek phrase syntax here, it’s clear he is still talking about “members placed into the Church” that prefaced the whole conversation, these members here using their grace-gift of healings to obviously benefit others.

 

<Notes> f) There is no reason to think that Paul is going to start talking about any other ‘intended audience-purpose’ genos ‘family, kind’ of tongues/languages than still those “directed to others to benefit them” as in 1 Corinthians 14:3, 6, 12, 26, because the next on is those members interpreting tongues.  This whole particular conversation is for 1 audience-purpose – others to benefit them.

 

Even though all these “ministry grace-gifts” are important for the Church-assembly, Paul says in the very next verse 1 Corinthians 12:31:  “However, [I strongly urge you] to zealously-desire the meizon ‘greater in value’ [plural] grace-gifts (a), which he talks about in Chapter 14 as “especially to prophecy.”  It’s clear from that chapter that as valuable as tongues & interpretation are in the Church-assembly, Paul views the others that are higher up on his list more important as he will explain, but “more than all of them, to prophesy!”  Paul would freak out with the disdain many churches and Christians give his highest priority!  <Notes> a) ‘more than megas great in size, weight, age, degree, strength, ability, authority, virtue, etc. as determined by context, but here by the importance/value of their grace-gift to others.  Meizon is also used in 1 Corinthians 13:13 of unconditional-love when compared to trusting-relying-faith and hope (equal to faith for future things), but not as much as megistos ‘ultimate’ used only in 2 Peter 1:4 of God’s promises to us.

 

In 1 Corinthians 14:10 Paul relates supernatural [plural] genos ‘families/kinds/sorts’ of glossa tongues/languages to natural [plural] genos ‘families/kinds/sorts’ of phone voices/languages/dialects, each with its own meaning, some understood by the listener and others not, unless interpreted.  Therefore, just as with natural languages/dialects there are so many genos ‘families/kinds/sorts’ of, and the same is true of supernatural glossa tongues/languages!  In fact Paul implies in 1 Corinthians 13:1 that we could be “speaking by the [plural] glossa tongues/languages of men and of angels, but without unconditional-love, it is still just noise!”  Again, the context of this is “within the church-assembly” for the sake of others, and NOT what Paul will talk about next!

 

The OTHER genos ‘family/kind/sort of’ glossa tongues/languages is WITHOUT interpretation according to 1 Corinthians 14:16-17, where the member’s “eulogeo ‘speaking a good, beneficial logos message, thus blessing’ God by-the-means-of the Spirit . . . by your eucharistia thanksgiving . . . your present/ongoing eucharisteo ‘giving of thanks’ is truly kalos ‘viewed as good, advantageous, attractively-beautiful’ NOW has a primary “intended audience” that is NOT anybody in a church-assembly.  However, even in that setting, if tongues are interpreted then others in the church-assembly, even the idiotes ‘idiot, conspicuously-lacking in understanding ones’ (a) could say “Amen to your eucharistia thanksgiving” and so “the other person is being built up.”  So there is an overlap from a private audience of God that requires NO interpretation to a church-assembly that does for them to benefit from them. <Notes> a) these idiotes may be ignorant Christians differentiated from unbelievers in 1 Corinthians 14:23-24.

 

This OTHER genos ‘family/kind/sort of’ tongues is NOT intended for katecheo ‘catechizing instruction’ to “build up the church-assembly” or “opheleo be beneficially-profitable to you” because the primary ‘intended listener’ is the Lord, “for the one routinely speaking/uttering by-the-means-of a [singular, particular] glossa tongue/language speaks/utters absolutely-in-fact-NOT to men but-instead to God, for absolutely-in-fact-NO-one [man] akouo listens/hears-to-understand/know [what you are saying].  However, by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit [the one] presently/ongoingly speaks/utters mysteries/secret-hidden-things,” to God who does understand (a).  That’s why it take interpretation to “reveal or unhide what was hidden” in order “to benefit others if I come to you speaking/uttering them” (b).  Paul explains further:  “For if/when I presently/ongoingly proseuchomai conversationally-pray by-the-means-of a [singular] glossa tongue/language, The Spirit of/belonging-to me presently/ongoingly proseuchomai conversationally-prays although the mind of/belonging-to me presently/ongoingly is-defined-as/exists-as akarpos ‘without fruit, unfruitful, not producing the fruit it normally would’ ” (c).  My pride kept me for a long time from surrendering my control to “let go and let God” take control of my tongue without me understanding what was being said!  <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 14:3, b) 1 Corinthians 14:6, c) 1 Corinthians 14:14.

 

Paul explains in 1 Corinthians 14:7-9 that the genos ‘family/kind/sort of’ glossa tongues/languages WITH interpretation are like musical notes from flutes or harps that have to be diastole ‘distinct’ in order to experientially ginosko know the music or the sounds from a bugle needing to be delos ‘self-evident’ to be able to prepare for battle.  WITHOUT interpretation, this OTHER genos ‘family/kind/sort of’ glossa tongues/languages are in-possibility-NOT eusemos ‘with clear meaning, so are intelligible or not understood,” so then how will people in the church-assembly “be-able [passively] to experientially ginosko know what was routinely being spoken?  For you will be routinely speaking eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ [singular] air-that-we-breath.”

 

This whole section is talking about ‘the intended audience’ being the church-assembly and “benefiting others” as in 1 Corinthians 14:3, 6 as Paul’s priority.  So in that mindset, Paul says in vv. 14:12-13 “Since you are presently/ongoingly zealous-ones of [plural] Spirit [things, in context grace-gifts] pros ‘toward and reaching’ the building-up of the church-assembly [I strongly urge you to] be zealously-desiring, in order that you may presently/ongoingly perisseuo ‘abundantly got all-around, above and beyond’ [this].  Therefore, the one who is presently-routinely speaking/uttering by-the-means-of a [singular] glossa tongue/language [I strongly urge you to] presently/ongoingly proseuche conversationally-pray they he/she might interpret.”  However, we can see here that Paul implies they are already “routinely, habitually, as a lifestyle speaking/uttering” glossa tongues/languages, which brings us to his OTHER tongues/languages argument below.  Note that these Christians were already rightfully zealous for the Spirit’s grace-gifts, but Paul is simply trying to direct this zeal toward “the greater grace-gifts but especially prophecy” that “benefit others,” particularly by “building up the church-assembly” as in vv. 12:31, 14:1, 3, 6, 12, 26, 39.  Oh that we would have people more zealous for any of the Spirit’s grace-gifts, especially to prophesy!

 

Paul already said in 1 Corinthians 14:3-4 that “routine speaking/uttering . . . builds oneself up,” which is distinctly different from “routinely prophesying, presently/ongoing speaking/uttering to men [resulting in their] building-up kai and/related encouragement kai and/related consolation/comfort” of v. 14:3.  These 2 different intended-audiences/purposes of the grace-gifts of “to men” vs. “to God” is what makes the group of Body-of-Christ members in 1 Corinthians 12:10 given the grace-gift of [plural] genos ‘families/kinds/sorts of’ glossa tongues/languages then obviously heteros ‘others-different-in-kind’ than the allos ‘others-similar-in-kind’ members!  All the member-groups but 1 are focused on using their grace-gifts “to benefit others” but the tongues/languages member-group has a dual focus, as Paul will explain further.

 

Therefore, although ALL grace-gifts are ultimately sovereignly apportioned by God, Paul still encourages ALL Christians in 1 Corinthians 14:5 “Now I presently/ongoingly thelo optimally-desire YOU ALL to actively, presently/ongoingly speak in glossa tongues/languages,” and even boasts in their value to himself in v. 14:18 “I thank God that I presently/ongoingly speak in glossa tongues/languages more than ALL of YOU.”  In every case glossa tongues/languages is plural and Paul is expecting everybody to do get some genos ‘family/kind/sort of’ them, because this “builds them up” and is evidently a key part of their relationshipeulogeo eulogizing by giving God eucharistia thanks/praise,” per 1 Corinthians 14:16.

 

Prayer and thanksgiving are linked.  We are told in Philippians 4:6 “in every circumstance by proseuche conversational-prayer and/coupled deesis supplication with thanksgiving let your aitema requests be made experientially, relationally gnorizo known to God.”  In Colossians 4:2 Paul strongly urges us to “continue steadfastly in proseuche conversational-prayer, being watchful in it with thanksgiving.”  He tells Timothy in 1 Timothy 2:1, “I urge that deesis supplications, proseuche prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people.”  Finally in 1 Thessalonians 5:16-19 Paul strongly urges us to “routinely rejoice always, routinely proseuchomai conversationally-prayer without ceasing, in/by/with all things routinely give-thanks – for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus toward you.” Very few things are explicitly states as “the will of God” – see New Covenant Ways – BT16.  Therefore praying with thanksgiving-praise by tongues is certainly “the will of God” for EVERY Christian, and is thus the reason that Paul will do so in 1 Corinthians 14:15 and optimally-desires others to follow his lead in 1 Corinthians 14:5.  When will we obey?

 

Now in 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 Paul really wakes these Christians up who are agnoeo “ignorant” or paidion “little-children, even infants in the thinking of their minds” or idiotes ‘idiot, conspicuously-lacking in understanding ones.’  Wake up and smell the coffee!  Paul says he is quoting the Law, but Deuteronomy 28:49 would be an obscure application of “a nation far away being brought by the Lord against Israel, a nation who phone voice/language/dialect you absolutely-in-fact-NOT akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know.”

 

More likely Paul is citing Isaiah 28:11-12 “For dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of heteros ‘another of a different kind of’ (a) cheilos  ‘lips that produces languages/dialects’; [plural] heteroglossos ‘another-of-a-different-kind of tongues/languages’ (b) I (God) (c) will speak to these people [d: to whom He (God) (e) has said (f), ‘This is the rest; give rest to the weary; and this is repose,’] yet they would absolutely-in-fact-NOT eisakouo deeply listen/hear-to-understand/know” (g).  There is a lot to unpack here!  Anybody who says the bible is easy to understand and so we can know exactly what God’s will is, is trying to sell you property in the Florida everglades – see Bible Info!

 

<Notes> a) LXX Greek: phatne  ‘a manager made from a cattle feeding box’ sound off-the-wall, or more likely Hebrew laeg stammering/mocking because of the way Isaiah mocks the future rabbis of Christ’s day and their way of ‘knowing God’ – see New Covenant-BT17, –BT18, and Least Among You – BT3, b) LXX Greek: dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of heteros ‘another of a different kind of’ [singular] glossa tongue/language, c) LXX Greek: they or Hebrew: He (God), d) this section is missing in Paul’s writing, e) LXX Greek: they – this may be a reference to the Pentecost 120 disciple and others afterward that spoke God’s message even by tongues, which exactly fits Isaiah’s argument, f) Greek LXX: is presently-routinely-saying, g) Hebrew & LXX simply has akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know, and Paul’s Greek adds: “Me, says the Lord.”

 

We see Jesus and other New Testament writers refer to all parts of the Old Testament as “The Law” – see Logos Word of God – BT5a, and yet Christians are to have NOTHING to do with the Law – see New Covenant Ways – BT4b. Jesus is obviously alluding to Isaiah 28’s “rest and repose” when He said in Matthew 11:28, “[I strongly-urge you to] duete ‘come here now close-beside’ Me, all who labor and/coupled are heavily-burdened, and I will give you rest,” for Hebrews 4:9 indicates that Jesus is “the Sabbath Rest for the people of God.”

 

Paul continues in 1 Corinthians 14:22 “So then these (a) glossa tongues/languages are eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of, intended for’ a sign, absolutely-in-fact-NOT [intended for] those presently-routinely having trusting-relying-faith, but-instead [intended for] those not-of-the-trusting-relying-faith-ones, but ‘the prophecy’ (b) [is] absolutely-in-fact-NOT [intended for] those not-of-the-trusting-relying-faith-ones but-instead [intended for] those presently-routinely having trusting-relying-faith.”  Again, we have to remember the present context is about what goes on in the church-assembly “to benefit others,” not privately by a believer in their relationship of eulogeo “eulogizing by giving God eucharistia thanks/praise,” per 1 Corinthians 14:16.  We know this from verse 4:23. <Notes> a) or those I’ve been talking about all along, b) that prophecy I’ve been talking about all along.

 

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 14:23 “Therefore if/when the WHOLE church-assembly gathers-together epi upon the autos same-place kai and/then ALL might speak by-the-means-of [plural] glossa tongue/languages de however-then [if] [plural] idiotes ‘idiot, conspicuously-lacking in understanding ones’ (a) or [plural] not-of-the-trusting-relying-faith-ones might-come-into-reaching [us], will they absolutely-in-fact-NOT say that you-all are mainomai ‘maniacs, raving or senselessly mad, deranged, or insane’?”  However, Paul goes onto say that “if/when they ALL prophesy” (b) a person from these 2 groups could “be convicted by ALL, called to account by ALL, the secrets of his heart disclosed, and so falling on his face, he will worship God and declare that God is really among you-ALL.”  Tongues to the “WHOLE church-assembly” is one of the “heteros ‘others-different-in-kind’ genos ‘families’ of tongues” from v. 12:10 that Paul advise us to interpret in v. 14:27-28 below.  <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 14:16-17, these idiotes may be ignorant Christians, unable to say “Amen” to those giving eulogeo “eulogizing by giving God eucharistia thanks/praise,” in tongues, because they don’t have the Spirit’s grace-gift of discernment or interpretation “to eido ‘mentally see to perceive/know what they said” – a word used most often of prophetic ‘seeing’, where idiotes is differentiated from unbelievers here vv. 14:23-24, b) good luck seeing that in a modern church.

 

So then Paul gives instruction in 1 Corinthians 14:26-33 for orderly worship of God in the church-assembly, where there is a great emphasis that “hekastos ‘each individual separately/distinctly’ has a hymn (a), a teaching, a revelation, a glossa tongue/language, OR an interpretation.”  This is NOT a complete list as we can see from parallel passages of Colossians 3:16 “routinely teaching and/coupled routinely noutheteo ‘gently reasoning thru warning, admonishment, exhortation, or counseling’ heautouEACH OTHER reciprocally’  by-the-means-of psalms, hymns (a), Spirit-kind-of odes (b), always with thanksgivings” or Ephesians 5:19-20 “routinely laleo ‘conversationally-speaking’ to heautouEACH OTHER reciprocally’ via psalms, hymns (a), Spirit-kind-of odes (b), always with thanksgivings.”  As with all Paul’s writings about the church-assembly, the emphasis is on Body-Ministry, not on one-man or small-team ‘shows’ as the modern churches are patterned from (c), which comes from ‘borrowing’ from the Old Testament and the world, building The Great Wall quenching the Holy Spirit.  Paul’s main emphasis in this ‘audience-purpose’ context is “[I strongly urge you to] let ALL things be done for building up” (d) the church-assembly. <Notes> a) Matthew 26:30; Mark 14:26; Acts 16:25; Hebrews 2:12, b) odes: psalms or hymns but unique in that they likely spontaneous music completely-different-in-kind “NEW songs” and thus not pre-composed – see also Spontaneous Music-BT5, – BT6, and – BT7, c) see Romans 12:3f, d) 1 Corinthians 14:26, cf. 14:3, 6, 12.

 

In 1 Corinthians 14:26-33 Paul explains that tongues/languages and prophecies addressed to the church-assembly “for building up” are to be spoken one after another, as this is certainly the loving thing to do, the emphasis of 1 Corinthians 13, and for the sake of love’s harmonious-peace in v. 14:33.  In this ‘audience-purpose’ context, tongues/languages are thus to be interpreted so that everybody can benefit from them and any idiotes uninformed and unbelievers won’t think you are raving lunatics!  Many Pentecostal and Charismatic churches have not heeded this warning!  If nobody can interpret your tongues/languages, implying you know of Christians ahead of time that have practiced this grace-gift or you have asked the group before you want to give it, and you have even prayed but not received an interpretation, only THEN you should NOT address the church but instead “keep silent in the church-assembly, though-instead [I strongly urge] you presently/ongoingly speak [the tongues/languages] to yourself and/coupled to God.”

 

A lot of churches violate this or go to the other extreme by “forbidding speaking in glossa tongues/languages” as Paul explicitly warns against in 1 Corinthians 14:39 as if he knew churches would do this!  Also, despising prophecy certainly quenches the Holy Spirit just as 1 Thessalonians 5:19-20 warns against!  Was Paul seeing into the future?  See Tongues – BT14.  Instead Paul says in 1 Corinthians 12:31 and 14:39 they should be “zealously-desiring this mega ‘greater gift’ of prophecy and “to especially do” or “even more to do” this in 1 Corinthians 14:1, 5.

Once again we see there are different “intended audiences” and thus the reason for the heteros ‘another-of-different-kind’ member-groups using [plural] genos ‘families/kinds/sorts of’ glossa tongues/languagesonly some who have a grace-gift of tongues/languages “to others” as Body-Ministry to “build others up,” and the OTHER for every Christian’s blessing of God by thanksgiving “to God” that “builds oneself up.”  This is so clear in Paul’s writings that it appears that many just don’t want to obey them.

 

Even with prophecies that are either clearly understood or interpreted from glossa tongues/languages to bring “this revelation to others,” Paul says in 1 Corinthians 14:29-31 of these prophecies and revelations that members “were hekastos ‘EACH individual separately/distinctly’ TO BRING” from v. 14:26, they are still to be treated the same way with his advice for orderly gatherings:  “[I strongly urge you to] let 2 or 3 prophets speak kai and/then the allos ‘others of the same kind’ (a) [I strongly urge to] let them presently/ongoingly diakrino ‘judge thru-the-realizing-channel-of close investigation/reasoning, thus weighing in’ . . . in order that ALL might [actively] manthano ‘learn the key facts from experience and/or reflection’ (b) kai and/coupled ALL might [passively or reflexively] be parakaleo ‘encouraged from close-beside consoling, comforting, gentle instruction’.”  <Notes> a) either the other prophets waiting their turn or the other Spirit-kind-of people who are NOT agnoeo ‘ignorant’ from v. 12:1 or idiotes ‘uneducated’ from vv. 14:16, 23-2, just as Paul calls these 2 ‘like-kind’ groups of “prophets and Spirit-kind-of people” in v. 14:37 to judge/critique his “things he is writing” – see Bible Info-BT5 for testing/judging prophecy, b) Matthew 11:29 the way we ‘learn’ from Jesus if we take His yoke of instruction upon us; Ephesian 4:20 the way we should have ‘learned Christ’.

 

When is the last time you were allowed to stand up or raise your hand to lovingly take turns in doing any of this?  That shows you how far churches have spiraled down away from the Church models given to us.  They borrow their models from the Old Testament Temple worship and from the world, further building The Great Wall quenching the Holy Spirit in the Church.

 

Christians and churches that don’t understand the clear teaching of Paul are thus agnoeo ‘being ignorant” (a) and idiotes ‘conspicuously lacking in understanding (b), and even “paidion ‘little-children or infants’ in their phren ‘mind-set, insight, understanding . . . instead of teleios ‘developed unto reaching the end-goal of maturity” (b).  It seems a lot of this is the case!  <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 12:1, b) 1 Corinthians 14:16, 23-24, c) 1 Corinthians 14:20.

 

As a Christian now that we are no longer “ignorant” or an “idiot” regarding the Spirit’s grace-gifts even of tongues & interpretation, are we going to take responsibility and be obedient to anything we have just learned from all of this?  Are we going to routinely, habitually pray and psalm by singing and/or playing music in tongues, even under our breath or inside our heads by-the-means-of the Spirit, even while doing anything else out mind is having to naturally be “fruitful or productive” about, in order to be “built up in our most Holy Faith in order to stay in the unconditional-love of God?” Are we going to pray to give a tongue in church-assemblies and pray for an interpretation from us or others before giving it, in order that “others can also be benefited and built up?”  Are we going to share God’s gospel logos-message of unconditional-love to the world thru every avenue possible, even through music and even by tongues if we have to, even using our own native tongue to others that don’t understand us, and have the trusting-relying-faith that God can do the interpretation for us?  Will we simply “trust and obey for there is no other way to be happy in Jesus” in order to be supernaturally effective in “building up” anybody from these 3 intended audiences by simply praying and psalming in tongues?  As with everything in the Christian walk, “the obedience of faith” is our only limiting factor.

 

 

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BT3:  Tongues are completely-different-in-kind “NEW” just as with many actions of God

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New tongues, New song, New thing, New covenant, New king, New commandment, New teaching, New Spirit, New life, New man, New creation, New heart, New name, New heavens, New world, New earth, and New Jerusalem are completely-different-in-kind, because chadash/kainos “NEW” doesn’t mean tsa’iyr/neos “new or younger in time,” but instead:  “fresh, completely-different-in-kind, unprecedented, sharing nothing with its predecessors, unique, and superior.”  God didn’t just compare a young, green banana in time with an old, brown banana in time, because in time the green banana would become brown and rot too.  When God created these “NEW things” above, He didn’t just do this in time, because as you can see that wouldn’t be good enough!  No, God stepped outside of time to create these completely-different-in-kind “NEW things” so they would remain “NEW” regardless of time, so He made them “completely-different-in-kind and superior to all that came before.”

 

So what are the “old things” that contrast with God’s “NEW things?”  There are many Hebrew and Greek words God uses, but unfortunately in English they are all translated simplistically as “old” – another of many problems with English bibles – see Bible Info.  The Hebrew word belo means “worn-out things, or rag-like,” which comes from balah meaning “old, worn-out, or decayed.”  The Hebrew word yasha’n means “old in time, dated or no longer used, withered, or flabby like a lifeless plant.”  The Hebrew word attiq means “antique, aged or ancient.”

 

In the Old Testament, all these Hebrew words are translated into the same Greek word palaios from the verb palaioo for the Septuagint LXX translation.  It means:  “not just old, dated, or ancient in time, but also worn out by use, or worse for wear.”  Did you catch that?  God consistently compares His “completely-different-in-kind “NEW things” with “old in time things,” exactly because they are not just “old in time,” but in fact also “worn-out like rags, withered, and lifeless.”

 

Can you see why God’s “NEW things” are “superior” by definition?  God isn’t just making micro-evolutionary improvements but creating a “completely-different-in-kind and superior” thing! And with every patented invention, absolutely nothing from the previous inventions can be “borrowed” and used in the “NEW” invention.  In mathematical set theory of 2 circles or sets that contain items or properties, nothing in 1 set can be included in the other, and the 2 sets/circles can’t even touch!  Absolutely nothing in the “old” can be included in the “NEW!”  This is not just a dictionary definition but a fact that is seen in every use of these words!

 

The completely-different-in-kind, superior “New glossa tongues/languages” of Mark 16:17 that Christians “having definitively/wholly had trusting-relying-faith . . .  shall actually speak” are NOT produced “by-the-means-of the mind of/belonging-to me” but are instead “by-the-means-of The Spirit of/belonging-to me” (a), thus making “[the singular] mind of/belonging-to me unfruitful/unproductive,” just as Paul recognizes in 1 Corinthians 14:14-15.  If they were produced by our mind, then they would be “the same old same old” tongues/languages!  See New Covenant-BT2<Notes> a) “The Spirit” with the definite article always refers to the Holy Spirit as here, and in many places the article is dropped because a previous use with the article or the context makes repeating the article redundant.  “The Spirit” is something Christians possesses in their human spirit, but “The Spirit” here in 1 Corinthians 14:14-15 is clearly not a reference to human spirits or minds in general and certainly not of natural men.  The entire context throughout 1 Corinthians like vv. 2:4, 20, 11-14, 6:11, 7:40, 12:3, 7-8, 14:2, 12, leading up to 14:14-15 certainly gives no reason why Paul would suddenly deviate from this.  The problems with English Bibles are that a lot is “lost in translation” – see Bible Info.

 

 

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Just as with “proseuchomai conversationally-praying and/coupled psalming by-the-means-of a tongue . . . The Spirit of/belonging-to me prays/psalms” (instrumental music with or without lyrics) per 1 Corinthians 14:14-15, it still comes down to surrendering by “offering/presenting our bodies as a living sacrifice” as in Romans 12:1, by “letting go” of our mind’s “fruitfulness or productivity” planning, thinking, scheming, rational understanding, and “might and powerskills to “let God” by allowing His Holy Spirit to instead have mastery/control per Galatians 5:23 of our “bodily members,” whether it’s your tongue to speak in supernatural tongues, your mouth and breath for wind-instruments, your fingers and arms for stringed-instruments and piano, or arms for snare-drummers, or arms & legs for the drum-set players.  It really comes down to making the choice of Romans 6:13 “presenting [internal] yourself to God . . . and your [external] members to God as instruments for dikaiosune divinely-approved-righteousness.”  And what could be more “righteous or divinely-approved” of than our worship when God has both our internal and externals, thus our whole self?

 

Every musician knows that music notation is just another language, symbols representing rhythm and frequencies arranged to convey specific meaning, just as many languages are not only picture-based but also music-based so that tone differences change the meaning of identical-looking words.  So even if a musician isn’t praying or singing in tongues unto God verbally or under their breath or in their head while optionally playing their instrument, the Spirit dwelling within them can just as easily be communicating the mind/heart of God to other people through the arrangements of rhythms & frequencies that the audience’s inward being or ‘spirit’ may indeed understand even if the human mind of their flesh is “unfruitful/unproductive,” and so the music is still prophetic, and thus still communicating the directly-spoken/heard rhema words of God to minister to them God’s gospel logos message, especially to unbelievers!

 

Many missionaries have testified of their foreign audience completely understanding the missionary’s native language without any need for interpretation, and even the missionary’s tongues without interpretation perfectly understood by the audience!  Paul recognizes this genos ‘family/kind’ of tongues in 1 Corinthians 12:10, 28 as 1 or 3 “intended audiences & purposes” of tongues, and for them it is indeed a “proving-sign” when their audience is amazed they can indeed understand every rhema spoken-word of God thru the missionaries without any missionary interpretation, just as on the Day of Pentecost!  What really matters is if the anointing of God is there or not, even on the musician and the music to make this possible, just as ALL of David’s 4000 singers & musicians prophesied, even with many instruments in 1 Chronicles 23:5, 25:1.

 

When people of a church gather/assemble together according to Colossians 3:16 in for “the logos message (gospel) of Christ to presently/ongoing dwell in them richly” as Paul strongly urges them with the imperative, they are to “by-the-means-of pas all ‘kinds of’ wisdom, be routinely teaching and/coupled noutheteo ‘placing in the mind, reasoning & urging by warning, correction, or exhortation’ heautou ‘each other reciprocally’ by-the-means-of psalms (a), hymns (b), Spirit-kind-of odes (c), routinely adontes ‘ode-ing’ by-the-means-of The Grace inside your hearts in/by/with God.”  We know this is an incomplete list (d), but provided simply to further Paul’s argument of the context:  He wants Body-Ministry where each person is involved. No one-man shows or specialized teams!  How far the modern church has digressed. <Notes> a) psalmos, psallo is the verb meaning to “hit, pluck, twang, or twitch,” b) humneo: acapella singing: Matthew 26:30; Mark 14:26; Acts 16:25; Hebrews 2:12, c) odes: psalms or hymns, but adding pneumatikos makes them uniquely no longer pre-composed but spontaneous by the Spirit – see also Spontaneous Music-BT5, – BT6, and – BT7, d) 1 Corinthians 12:8-10, 28-30, 13:8, 14:6, 26; Romans 12:6-8; Colossians 3:16, Ephesians 2:20, 3:5, 4:12, 5:19.

 

In the parallel passage in Ephesians 3:19, 5:18-19, Paul wants them to “definitively/wholly be filled-to-completion eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ pas ‘the whole of’ the abundant-fullness of God . . . [I strongly urge you to] in-possibility-NOT routinely be drunk by-the-means-of wine in/by/with which is presently/ongoingly debauchery, but-instead presently/ongoingly [passively] be filled-to-completion by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit, routinely speaking-to/addressing heautou ‘each other reciprocally’ by-the-means-of psalms and/coupled hymns and/coupled Spirit-kind-of odes, routinely adontesode-ing’ and/coupled routinely psalming [in/by/with] your heart to the Lord.”  Their hearts can be psalming while their hands/mouths are busy performing.

 

That last phrase is the key!  We know from 1 Corinthians 14:14-15 that Spirit-kind-of psalming is by tongues, which is instrumental music with/without lyrics.  The singer can sing in tongues, or they could only be doing so from their heart in tongues while vocally silent or even while singing in their native language.  There may not even be a singer, but either way the musicians can be giving “praise & thanksgiving” from their hearts in tongues even while they are blowing, hitting, bowing, plucking, strumming, etc.  You really can pray or psalm in tongues while “your mind is fruitful/productive” on something else, because it is the Spirit that performs the tongues from inside you, whether it is verbally expressed or not.  I’ve done all this many times, often even praying or singing in tongues as I am writing.  I enjoy listening to worship music in tongues while working because I know that I am “tereo ‘carefully watch/observe to safely-guard, care-for/attend-to, firmly-hold/stand-in/maintain-a-present-state,’ myself in the Unconditional-Love of God [by] routinely building myself up in the most Holy Faith [by] routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying by-the-means-of the Holy Spirit” per Jude 1:20-21, because even though my mind is focused on work, I trust my heart is praying & psalming by-the-means-of- the Holy Spirit by-the-means-of the tongues I’m also hearing in the music.  In fact, I’m going to turn it on right now!

 

The “psalms and hymns” od Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16 may have originally been composed spontaneously as “Spirit-kind-of odes” that correspond to the chadash/kainos ‘completely-different-in-kind, superior “New Songs” of Psalms 33:3, 40:3, 96:1, 98:1, 144:9, 149:1; Isaiah 42:10; and Revelation 5:9, 14:3.  But they may not be!  I know many secular artists that wrote Church music just to make money, and I personally knew a big-time New-Ager that he said he was going to California to start a Christian church and make a ton of money because “Christians are so gullible!”

 

Either way, these “psalms and hymns” as differentiated from “Spirit-kind” or “New Songs” are certainly “pre-composed” music!  Since these were in the people’s language and likely familiar as the Old Testament Psalms were to the early Jewish-Christians, their minds would be “fruitful/productive,” and so as with “praying and psalming by-the-means-of the mind of/belonging-to me” in 1 Corinthians 14:14-15.  For many like Paul being former Jews, this would be natural worship music.

But that simply is NOT enough!  Paul strongly-urged them to go to the next, higher level – spontaneous music, just as with tongues, where their mind is “unfruitful/unproductive” and the Spirit composes the psalm or hymn “on the spot,” and the lyrics very well may be in tongues.  Since Ephesians 5:19 stresses what happens inside individual hearts:  “routinely psalming [in/by/with] your heart to the Lord,” these tongues need not be in unison but very individual.  And that’s exactly what we see happen in anointed, prophetic, and spontaneous worship – the sound is heavenly!  This is the “Joyful Noise” of Psalms 95:1-2, 98:4, 6, and 100:1 – see Joy – BT4.

 

Since psalming primarily means “hit, pluck, twang, or twitch” an instrument whether sung or not, and we know from the Old Testament at least 22 instruments were used to play Psalms, it may very well be that we are in some way “hitting, plucking, twanging, or twitching our hearts unto the Lord” when we are “psalming to the Lord” as if the real instrument is our heart!  That means the same thing can happen for you while you are playing your instrument, no matter what it is!  You can even be totally focused on ado singing/praising and even “psalming to the Lord from your grateful heart” and not even be thinking about how to play your instrument AT ALL so that “your mind is “unfruitful/unproductive” just as with tongues, and yet the Spirit will play right through you the most kalos beautiful/joyful music you have ever heard in your life!  As you can see from the BLOG Topics I have even spoken in tongues while playing and made prophetic declarations – you just have to take “an obedient step of faith” and surrender by “letting go and letting God!”  And what is produced is absolutely not someone else’s pre-composed hymns or psalms “from the mind of you” but instead spontaneously “from the Spirit of you” and so it’s a completely-different-in-kind, fresh, superior “New song” and a “Spirit-kind-of ode.”

 

When I play my drums, I can often feel ‘the insides of me’ singing/praising the Lord but it’s in rhythmic grunts/groans for the bass-drum and ticking sounds for the higher pitches, and now that I think about it, it would indeed sound like tongues to a non-drummer!  I even teach a Counting & Singing Method for “If you can say it, you can play it” approach.

 

I remember a dream I had once of people in front of an anointed, prophetic band practicing spontaneously by the Spirit in the park.  When people got close to the band, they were surrounded by the Unconditional-Love of the Lord as if sandwiched between 2 hot waffles from a toaster, and these people just melted like butter unto salvation as they were each akouo hearing-to-understanding/know the directly-spoken rhema words of the Lord, even though it was only music being translated by the Lord, like tongues are interpreted by the Spirit to be selectively understood by the listener.  Suddenly I understood that one ‘waffle’ was Jesus and the other the Holy Spirit – these people didn’t have a chance!  They had experienced “Irresistible Grace” as John Calvin termed it!

 

Pride & control puts its trusting-relying-faith in one’s own skills or internal “powerand external resources or “might” derived from them, thus the “might and power” of Zechariah 4:6, whether it is pre-determine church sermons & liturgies, worship-team meetings to determine song selection, or only choosing songs of pre-composed words and music written with “gramma letters in ink on paper” (a) sitting on a music stand or a podium or Ipad for the “equippers” eyes to be glued to, those who mistakenly think they are the “ministers who do the work of ministry” (b).  Instead, doesn’t the New Testament tell us to put our trusting-relying-faith in the chadash/kainos ‘completely-different-in-kind, unprecedented, fresh, superior’ “NEW Song” (c) or “Spirit-kind-of ode” (d) that is clearly anointed, prophetic, and spontaneous, based on “tasting the rhema directly-spoken/heard prophetic words of God and/coupled His Spirit’s enabling-power” (e) to guide or direct (f) the evangelist-preacher, shepherd/pastor, teacher, musician, or any other servant “in that very hour what to say and to do” (g)?  Will we fall back on trying to control everything or surrender-control to the Holy Spirit?  <Notes> a) 2 Corinthians 3:3, 7; 2 John 1:12; 3 John 1:13, b) Ephesians 4:11-12, c) Psalms 33:3, 40:3, 96:1, 98:1, 144:9, 149:1 and Isaiah 42:10, d) Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16, e) Hebrews 1:3, 6:5, f) John 16:13, g) Matthew 10:19; Mark 13:11; Luke 12:12.

 

 

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I can’t tell you exactly when I first experienced praying or worshipping the Lord in tongues, but I know it was sometime after 1985 when I had my 2nd Spirit-Baptism after 8 hours of looking up the word “Spirit” in a Strong’s Concordance and checking my Greek study-tools to verify the New Testament usage.  I had the same experience from 1983 but now I knew WHO it was!  I soon abandoned the Church of Christ for misleading me with Cessationism – see Tongues – BT14 and I started attending a ‘on-fire’ charismatic church named “Grace Chapel” in Tucson, Arizona.  There I was challenged to seek the Lord for tongues.  I studied a ton to verify that it was legitimate – some of those notes are here.

 

One night alone in my bedroom I was feeling so very grateful and started praising the Lord, but when tongues started to come out, I immediately was worried that it was from demons as so many Cessationists had told me.  So I told the Lord that I never wanted to be involved in false religions of demons but wanted to “Worship by [singular] Spirit and/coupled [singular] Truth” just as “the Father is presently/ongoingly zeteo ‘seeking-by-inquiry, investigating to reach a binding-resolution’ such people to routinely worship Him” per John 4:23-24.

 

As I returned to worship more tongues came out of my mouth and lasted a long time, but this time I felt peaceful about it.  I was intrigued over the different pitches, articulation, and rhythm that sounded very musical though I was never good at singing, just drumming.  Then suddenly I started praising the Lord in ornate, flowery, adjective-heavy, poetry that actually rhymed in sound more than Psalms!  This also went for a long time.  This amazed me even more because I absolutely struggled in school with creative writing and especially poetry.  I never liked it and for that reason never really got into Psalms.  I also had approached Christianity from 1980-1985 mostly from a dry, Spock-like, unemotional, intellectual viewpoint, having focused a lot on bible-study gnosis information.  But my 1983 and 1985 Spirit-Baptisms opened deep wells of emotion, and I was again feeling a great unconditional-love, joy, and peace.

 

In shock as I was feeling all this and saying all this, I asked what had just happened.  Instantly I was aware that the Lord had interpreted for me the tongues, and the reason they had sounded so poetic was because it had indeed been a highly-structured, rhyming poem of adoration & thanksgiving to the Lord, just as in the original Hebrew the Psalms actually are though in English you can’t tell – another reason that bible translation is inadequate – see Bible Info.  With this revealed knowledge I immediately felt so humbled that I had questioned such a beautiful thing as tongues and told the Lord I would never doubt Him again but would have faith that He knew exactly what He was doing with tongues.  Sure enough, there have been many times if I wondered if it was worth spouting off so many unintelligible words when I thought maybe I should just stick with English, and then He reminded me of this amazing event and how humbled I was to have doubted Him.  Tongues really is perfect praise & thanksgiving!

 

Sometime after 2008, after having been away from the Lord for 15 years, I took a class on the Holy Spirit at that old Grace Chapel now called “Grace for the Nations” from an old friend Gerry Loper.  Before that I was led to read Forgotten God – Reversing Our Tragic Neglect of the Holy Spirit, by Francis Chan.  There is a whole story about how supernaturally I even found out about this book and another about the class.  During the week we would read and practice praying in tongues throughout the day as we learned from the book The Walk of the Spirit – The Walk of Power by Dave Roberson and then EACH ONE OF US would share our experiences with the class – this was the real church, real Body-Ministry!

 

Gerry only coached & facilitated the class as “equippers” are actually defined to do in Ephesians 4:12, simply inviting the Holy Spirit to be our “One Teacher” as Jesus said there was in Matthew 23:8.  With the Body-of-Christ allowed to actually be the “saints that do the work of ministering” and surrender to the Holy Spirit “working through us” as in 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 to “teach one another,” I’ve never seen so many manifestations of the Holy Spirit at a church ever!  Almost everybody experienced supernatural tongues, even all throughout the day, signs & wonders and lots of prophecy.

 

After 12 weeks, we had felt like our churches had hidden the keys to the powerful Christian life – although only 8 had originally signed up for the class, somehow 42 other people from others churches showed up.  We begged to have a follow-up class to go deeper but the :Grace for the Nations” church never did.  How very disappointing!

 

Later, I remember praying under my breath in tongues while working at the house all day after someone at my “Freedom Fellowship” church gave me a rubber wrist band that interpreted meant “[I strongly urge you to] presently/ongoingly pray unceasingly” – an imperative from Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:17-18 as “the will of God in Christ Jesus for you,” one of the few places “the will of God” for Christians is actually stated – New Covenant Way – BT16!  That night and the next day I had so many unexpected miraculous events take place it freaked me out!  I’ve seen this pattern often, soon getting lots of prophetic visions and dreams.

 

Sometime after this while I was jogging around Reed Park while proseuchomai praying in tongues, when I came to these willow trees by the golf course pond I saw something like a 1000 butterflies come out of the trees that appeared strangely brighter and sparkling.  I thought maybe I was getting heat-stroke!  Then somehow “in the Spirit” I saw a smaller than soccerball-sized fruit, light-ruby-colored-grapefruit-like or light-blood-red-orange-like, between me and the trees and I was told to “reach out, take, and eat.”  All the fruit was the SAME because “a tree is experientially, relationally ginosko known by its [singular] karpos fruit” per Matthew 12:33 and Luke 6:44.  I can’t even find a color that matches it, because somehow it’s a mixture of all 3 primary colors of light, not actually reflected light which paint is.  I used www.trycolors.com to mix these 3 colors and couldn’t quite get what I saw, being a brighter, clearer version of 50% red (love), 33% yellow (joy) and 17% blue (peace)!  I think Akiane complained about not being able to mix paint to get the colors she saw in heaven – see Unconditional-Love – BT3.

 

When I bit into this karpos fruit, I was overwhelmed with unconditional-love, but as I started recovering from being ‘plowed’ by this, I then tasted “immense joy” (a) that so “overflowed” (b) that it made me profusely cry with such praise & thanksgiving (c). Then I felt “a peace of tranquility that passed all understanding” like the whole world was a sea of glass (d), and then I had genuine, experiential, relational epignosis knowledge of all the other words in the Galatians 5:22-23 list of “joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith/faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control” to some degree – very similar to the way a good wine, the “fruit of the vine” (e), gradually ‘opens up’ with more complex flavors after sipping it for a while.   Having taken a couple of wine-tasting classes and helping choose wines for restaurants has helped me to discern the more subtle flavors, which is likely why “discern by-the-means-of the Holy Spirit” (f) requires “gymnasium-like practice,” and is the “solid food” (g) – see New Covenant Ways – BT16. <Notes> a) Matthew 2:10, 28:8; Luke 2:10, 24:52; Acts 15:3; Jude 1:24; 2 Corinthians 8:2, b) 2 Corinthians 7:4, c) 1 Corinthians 14:16 within tongues; Colossians 2:7 abounding; Colossians 4:2 in watchful proseuche prayer, d) Philippians 4:7, e) Matthew 26:29; Mark 12:2, 14:25; Luke 20:10, 22:18 – see New Covenant Ways – BT7 for more about “The New Wine,” f) 1 Corinthians 2:14, g) Hebrews 5:14.

 

Although there are other ‘special events’ of tongues, I noticed that they ‘well up within me’ like those “a spring/fountain of running water, hallomai ‘leaping, springing, bubbling, gushing up’ unto zoe genuine-life everlasting” as Jesus promised in John 4:14.  In my 1983 Spirit-Baptism I felt this water rushing into my chest to the point I thought I would explode so after 5 minutes I cried out for it to stop.  In my 1985 Spirit-Baptism I fell this water rushing into the top of my head, down my arms, and down my legs to pin my feet to the ground!  This often suddenly occurs during times of personal and world crisis.  More often I feel a “deep groanings alaletos ‘in-utterable, in-expressible, muted sighs” like Paul says in Romans 8:26, and then suddenly out comes tongues, leading me to believe that actually what Paul meant there is that they were not expressible with “words by the [fruitful, productive] mind of me” though the Spirit indeed can when “our minds are unfruitful/unproductive” as he states in 1 Corinthians 14:14-15, so he determined to pray & psalm (instrumental music with/without singing) doing both.

 

The more I see the Lord accomplish more & more after prolonged periods of tongues, the more trusting-relying-faith I have to just “let go and let God” to do it even more!  I believe our obedient steps of faith by such routine surrender is how we “taste and see that Yahweh is good” per Psalms 34:8.  After writing these BLOGS I am more convinced than ever and plan on doing a LOT more praying & psalming in tongues and also ask more in Christian-assemblies for interpretations of mine or other’s tongues.  Our faith is the only limiting factor because our God is NOT “a mute idol” as 1 Corinthians 12:2, but is repeatedly proved to be impartial, abundant in His giving, and determined to prophetically speak His directly-spoken/heard rhema words by His phone Voice to us.

 

On 3/6/2022 I was praying in the shower about the Russian invasion of Ukraine and all the suffering.  I was also praying about why so much of Christianity seems difficult and that there had to be a better way to succeed in both of these situations.  Then I saw a classical or medieval catapult launching fire balls like “Greek Fire” over walls of the enemy that were so tall that soldiers were like ants and no ladders or other devices were likely to get over them.  Through dreams, visions, and revelation the Lord revealed to me that the “Fire Balls” were:  “It’s always been the same – My love” which reminded me of other dreams and visions showing enormous power unleashed to supernaturally remedy what seemed like a hopeless situation.

 

Then I asked the Lord, what is my part in all this that I’ve been praying for and how does it relate to His answers about the enemy camps in the world?  He showed me that whether it’s “the world, the flesh, or the devil” the solution is the same:  “Constantly be launching the catapults of My unconditional-love.”  But how?  Then He showed me the words Jude 1:20-21 and 1 Corinthians 14:14-15 “routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying by-the-means-of the Holy Spirit” means “by-the-means-of tongues.”  Then I remember an incredibly powerful class at Church I took around 2009 where we read and practiced the book The Walk of the Spirit – The Walk of Power by Dave Roberson, which was all about praying throughout the day in tongues.  For 10 weeks we all shared supernatural stories of power!  We felt like the Church had hidden the keys to the treasure chest!  Thank you Lord for reminding me that I need to do this simple thing throughout the day to do my part in your military campaign against the Russian government, the flesh, the devil, and all other tyranny and sin in this world. For many more details, see the entire post.

 

 

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3-6-22 Revelation: Catapult of “Greek Fire” into the Enemy’s Camp

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On 3/6/2022 I was praying in the shower about the Russian invasion of Ukraine and all the suffering.  I was also praying about why so much of Christianity seems difficult and that there had to be a better way to succeed in both of these situations.  Then I saw a classical or medieval catapult launching fire balls like “Greek Fire” over walls of the enemy that were so tall that soldiers were like ants and no ladders or other devices were likely to get over them.  Building a ramp would take a very long time as with the Romans in 72-73 AD with 15,000 men & women to lay siege to Masada on a cliff.  It looked impossible, but the catapults were burning the enemy camp from within!

 

I asked what the “fire balls” were that were exploding when they landed?  How can they defeat Russia with all their bombing of even civilians?  Our government regime and that of others seem to be very inept with major conflicts of interest – everybody has been paying Russia millions of dollars a day for their oil, supplying them everything they need for a war.

 

And the US is wanting to do the same for Iran after leaving billions of military hardware in Afghanistan for the terrorists to use or sell to our enemies to commit even more terror.  It doesn’t look like our country knows what it is doing, and when it acts, does “too little too late” to make any difference.  “God help us” is what I was praying!

 

Well, I was tired and asked the Lord to show me in dream.  In the morning I woke up to ‘see’ a lot more “fire balls” raining down on the enemy camp and wondered if these were are all from catapults because a lot of them were coming straight down.

 

I kept asking about all this and was told the “fire balls” was the supernatural enabling-power of the Holy Spirit.  And I thought “judgment of God,” but He said, “It’s always been the same – My love” which reminded me of other dreams and visions showing enormous power unleashed to supernaturally remedy what seemed like a hopeless situation. See the Godzilla of Sin Destroying the World dream.  See the Whole World trapped in an Insane Asylum dream.

 

 

 

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So apparently, even though Satan is using greedy, ambitious men like Putin to “steal, sacrifice for himself, and then utterly destroy” others, Jesus is still bringing “the superabundant zoe genuine-life” just as He said He would in John 10:10, by the means of these “fire balls” of divine unconditional-love.  God is doing incredible good for His kingdom of God on earth in the middle of Satan is using Putin to advance his kingdom on earth.  Of course the Main-Stream Media won’t show us this and neither will “Big Institutional Religion” that is also part of this world!

 

Then I asked the Lord, what is my part in all this that I’ve been praying for, and how does it relate to His answers about the enemy camps in the world?  God showed me that whether it’s “the world, the flesh, or the devil” the solution is the same:  “Constantly be launching the catapults of My unconditional-love.”  But how?

 

Then God showed me the words Jude 1:20-21 that I had studied for these BLOGS and He really gave me sunesis ‘connect the dots’ understanding-knowledge:  The way to obey the only imperative in Jude 1:20-21 of “[I strongly urge you to] definitively/wholly tereo ‘carefully watch/observe to safely-guard, care-for/attend-to, firmly-hold/stand-in/maintain-a-present-state,’ yourselves in the Unconditional-Love of God [by] routinely pros-echomai ‘warmly-welcoming by facing toward and reaching’ the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ eis ‘toward and reaching the goal/purpose of’ zoe genuine-life everlasting [a reference to our acquittal at His return]” is byroutinely building yourself up in the most Holy Faith [by] routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying en pneumati by-the-means-of the Holy Spirit.”  All the “routinely” participles tell you how to do something.

 

Ephesians 6:10-19 teaches us about Spiritual Warfare:  In order to “dunamai be-powerfully-enabled [by the armor of God] to stand against the schemes of the devil,” Paul teaches in vv. 17-18 to “dechomai ‘warmly-welcome . . . the sword of the Spirit, which presently/ongoingly exists-as/defined-as the rhema directly-spoken/heard word of God, thru-the-realizing-channel-of ALL proseuche conversational-prayer and/coupled deesis supplication, [clarified as] be routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying in every season en pneumati by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit.

 

We know from 1 Corinthians 14:14-15 Paul explicitly explains this: “For  if I should presently/ongoingly proseuchomai conversationally-pray [dative: by-the-means-of] glossa tongues/languages, [then] The Spirit of/belonging-to me is presently/ongoingly proseuchomai conversationally-praying” even as “the mind of/belonging to me is unfruitful/unproductive,” and the same is true for “psalming” with instruments whether lyrics are involved or not.  Paul clearly distinguishes either of these practices done by “The Spirit of/belonging-to me” with doing them naturally “by-the-means-of the mind of/belonging-to him,” and furthermore purposes to do both kinds, especially making the point of “praying and psalming to pneumati [dative: by-the-means-of] The Spirit”  Shouldn’t we do the same?

 

 

 

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Then I remember an incredibly powerful class at a church I took around 2009 where we read and practiced the book The Walk of the Spirit – The Walk of Power by Dave Roberson, which was all about praying throughout the day in tongues.  For 10 weeks we all shared supernatural stories of power!  We felt like the Church had hidden the keys to the treasure chest!  See Tongues & Interpretation.

 

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On January 10th, 2021 while I was gardening in my “sanctuary of the Lord” garden that so much of my divine healing took place back in 2008, which has now turned into practically a Better Homes & Garden walk-through, the Lord got me really excited when He told me that “The Truth is coming like an avalanche that will shake the Earth!”  As often is the case when you get prophetic rhema words from the Lord “that are Spirit and/coupled zoe Genuine-Life” per John 6:63, you get so excited that you feel that He means “eminently!”

 

Well, I was quite puzzled after watching 50 hours on multiple web-broadcasting sites of all the heavily-documented shenanigans of 11/20 being brought to the Supreme Court by so many states only to never be heard by the “High Court” even though lower courts and state legislatures had piles of evidence and 100s of sworn affidavits under penalty of perjury and many computer scientist testimony.  I was puzzled and disappointed that “The Truth” was NOT “coming like an avalanche” even though the Lord clearly told me it would.  So I prayed over the following weeks as to why not?

 

I had many dreams and visions in 2021 to explain many aspects of what was playing out.  Then the Lord reminded me of the 2 avalanches that I personally had witnessed, and in fact caused!  The video gives you the details, but in each case I didn’t think much about their insignificant beginnings.  I poo-pooed it and looked the other way, just as so many were doing with these early investigations and still are, though more and more are beginning “to take notice.”  In both of my cases, by the time I heard the noise of the avalanche nearly on top of me, it was almost too late!  In the first case, my little finger on my right hand was torn off and in the second, I got out of the way in the nick of time!  That’s why the Lord told me to “Remember your avalanches!”  Now, I am no longer discouraged but encouraged, as I hope you will be!

 

 

 

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“The Truth is coming like an avalanche that will shake the earth” – If you ignore the warning of the Lord and do NOT surrender by repenting (turning) thru confessing your lies, deceit, fraud, and manipulation of “We the People” but instead continue doing evil, “the snowball effect” will ultimately expose your darkness with the blinding Light of The Truth, and you won’t have enough time to get out of the way from “The Judgment that is coming.”  But if you hear and listen to the “conviction of the Holy Spirit concerning sin, righteousness, and judgment to come” (a), and are then “cut to the heart” (b), and then repent by confessing your sins (c) – even publicly to all those you have hurt – in order to have a clear conscience (d), then you can have “your sins washed away when calling on Jesus Christ’s name while being water-baptized for salvation” (e).  If you do “The Truth will set you free” because “The Son has indeed set you free” (f).  However, Jesus makes it clear:  “I tell you:  Unless you repent, you will all likewise perish” (g).  The choice is yours!  <Notes> a) John 16:8, b) Acts 2:37, c) Matthew 3:6; Mark 1:5; James 5:16; 1 John 1:9, d) 1 Peter 3:21, e) Acts 2:38-39, 22:16, f) John 8:32, 36, g) Luke 13:3, 5.

 

 

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1-26-22 God-Dream: The Big Gun in our Spiritual Warfare

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Last night I saw the Marvel movie The Eternals and although it was a cool sci-fi escape from my work and I had a good spiritual conversation with an old friend, by the time I got home I thought “How worthless are so many movies!  They promise us so much with all their supernatural abilities and weapons against evil forces but are so far from the reality of mankind that is still left as helpless victims of evil people all around them.  The calls for “Defund the police” are killing us while those calling for this have high walls around their homes with state of the art security and personal teams of body guards – “rules for these but not for me” is destroying our society!  How long can we tolerate this smug, authoritarian hypocrisy?  We are our own worst enemies and it seems the world is ‘going to hell in a hand-basket.’  Meanwhile the masse have been given false hopes of super-heroes that will swoop in to save the day.  But none are ‘stepping up to the plate’ – everybody is living in fear of reprisal.  However, the Lord has given us a Big Gun in our Spiritual Warfare!

 

The problem is that we have people in all walks of life – in Big Government, in Big Tech & Social Media, in Big Hospital Systems, in Big Pharma that has them ‘in their back pockets,’ in Big Religion, and in Big Finance that has them ‘in their back pockets’ – who have “all the gold, and those with all the gold make all the rules.”  The rest of us feel like helpless victims, so we flock to Marvel movies that give us hope that super-heroes will swoop in to save us.  How is all this evil being perpetuated?

 

Answer:  “For [singular] root of all kinds of evils is presently/ongoingly [singular] philarguriaavarice, covetousness-love of money,’ which some-people routinely/habitually orego ‘stretching oneself out toward to touch/grasp, being pulled towards by desire/aspiration to attain’ apoplanao [thus] have wholly/definitively become ‘led/seduced away by this cause to the needless pains arising from this’ – away from The-Trusting-Relying-Faith [of Christianity] kai and/thus have wholly/definitively peripeiro ‘all-around, thoroughly pierced/wounded themselves with many odune ‘personal emotionally-lethal sorrows, anguish, pain, or grief.  However, you O man of God (Timothy) [I strongly urge you to] pheugo ‘shun/avoid/flee/vanish from or seek safety away from danger by flight/escape from’ these things” per Paul to Timothy in 1 Timothy 6:10-11 – see Bible Info for my credentials for Greek & Hebrew translation.  Greed is killing us all!

 

This greed of money is a greed for power over others through censorship, mandates, and other ways to manipulate the masses for personal gain.  It seems like the saying ‘everybody has their price’ is true!  Unless you open up the secretive Swiss bank accounts of all these people in power, you will never know who is working for who.  China has plenty of money to offer anybody, but so does the Vatican, Saudi Arabia, and George Soros!  “Do not harm the oil” in Revelation 6:6 is appropriate because crude oil is the source of most wealth on this planet and nations will even create an Armageddon to get it!  That’s why Russia will likely invade the Ukraine!  That’s why the Muslim nations will try to “push Israel into the sea” as they have tried many times to do!  Vast oil resources, not to mention ancient hatred for the Jews!  Today everybody is feeling the effects of evil working its way through Satan’s pawns & puppets “to wholly/definitively klepto ‘steal by deception and stealth’ and/also to wholly/definitively thuo ‘kill as a sacrifice or offering on Satan’s own altar to worship himself,’ and/also to wholly/definitively ‘destroy utterly/violently by cutting us off absolutely/eternally from God” per Jesus in John 10:10.

 

 

Big Gun bullets - prophecy of The Big Gun in our Spiritual Warfare for Spirit Music Meet-Ups

 

As I was waking this morning I was given a God-dream about a Christian’s “weapons of warfare” against evil spreading throughout this world.  Jesus didn’t leave us to be victims of evil in this world!  The Lord has given us a Big Gun in our Spiritual Warfare!  “The one routinely/habitually poieo ‘constructing, manufacturing, making, causing, or doing’ the harmartia ‘sin, missing of the target of God’s nature’ is presently ek out-from The Diabolos ‘slandering, falsly-accusing, defaming, maligning, dividing-to-conquer, backbiting Devil’ because The Devil has been presently/ongoingly harmartano sinning from the first/beginning.  Eis touto ‘toward/reaching this very reason’ the Son of God was wholly/definitively revealed:  In order that He might wholly/definitively luo ‘loose, untie, unleash, unbind, release what was bound, demolish, destroy, overthrow, do away with’ the ergon ‘works, deeds, doings, accomplishments’ of The Devil” per John speaking about Jesus in 1 John 3:8.  Jesus came to defeat Satan’s works!  But where do we come in?

 

Answer:  Paul speaks much about “putting on the armor of light to cast off the works of darkness” in Romans 13:12 and “putting on the whole armor of God so that you may be able to stand against the schemes of The Devil” in Ephesians 6:11, so these passages are certainly worthy of study and application!  Why, because as bad as The Devil’s work is as described in John 10:10 above, which we NOW see playing out every day in our world, the rest of John 10:10 gives us this great hope per Jesus:  “I actually came in order that people might presently/ongoingly have-to-hold/possess zoe genuine-life kai and/coupled [they] might presently/ongoingly have-to-hold/possess [IT] perissos ‘all-around, excessively, exceedingly, beyond expectations.”  I’m ready for that!  Are you?

 

In the dream I saw a Big machine Gun laying out on a table.  I was told that the “stock” that you lambano ‘grab hold of to possess for yourself’ is very custom-fit because this is the part that the Gun user interfaces with.  It’s true that guns can come with different stocks and can be quite customized to “fit” the body of the user.  Some people like beautiful wood stocks that is even ornately carved.  Some stocks absorb the recoil shock more than others.  Some stocks fit into the shoulder better than others.  Some stocks are very light to make easier to carry long distances.  And some stocks fold up for compactness and concealment.  There are probably 31 flavors!

 

The Lord told me the Gun won’t do a darn thing unless we lambano it by its “stock!”  As we’ve seen the “stock” is customized to our self-identity and so it’s natural to put our trusting-relying-faith in our own “might and power” and skill when we grab the Gun.  But the Gun will not accomplish its purpose by this alone!  It’s simply not enough no matter how much our ego wants it to be.  In the battle against Satan, hordes of his fallen angels and his created mutant demons who manipulate our flesh and that of billions of people in this world, the “stock” is utterly powerless against these professionals over a millenniums!

 

 

Not against people but spiritual forces - prophecy of The Big Gun in our Spiritual Warfare for Spirit Music Meet-Ups

 

Like Paul said in Ephesians 6:12-13 “The pale ‘wrestling bout, struggle, conflict, fight’ to us [Christians] is presently/ongoingly absolutely-in-fact-NOT pros ‘towards and reaching the plan [to fight against]’ flesh and blood but instead pros ‘towards and reaching the plan [to fight against]’ The Arches ‘Firsts, Rulers,’ pros ‘to fight against’ The Exousia ‘Powers delegated from the Arches,’ pros ‘to fight against’ The Kosmokrator ‘Cosmos/World Rulers that influence the lives of worldly people’ of/belonging-to The Skotos toutou Present Darkness, [finally who is behind it all] pros ‘to fight against’ The pneumatikos spirit-kind-of The Evil [One] in the epouranios heavenly/celestial-realms. Because of this [I strongly urge you to] wholly/definitively analambano ‘grab/take-up/raise for your own possession, even once-again’ the complete armor of God in order that you might wholly/definitively be dunamai ‘dynamite-like empowered’ to anthistemi ‘stand up and hold your ground against’ [the hierarchy of the Evil One] in the day/period of The Evil [One] kai and/thus having wholly/definitively katergazomai ‘worked/accomplished down to an end-point’ all-these-things to wholly/definitively histemi ‘stand up and hold your ground.”  What looks like a battle against evil men in our world is really a battle against Satan and his hierarchy of angel generals down to his demon pawns that use men as ‘pawns and puppets’ to carry out his evil work.  And the Lord has given us a Big Gun in our Spiritual Warfare!

 

But the Lord once told me how to “stand against The Devil so that he will flee from you” from James 4:7 in a 10-27-20 Dream of the Massive Rock Fortress of Christ to find rest and safety from sin in the world:  “The Massive Rock Fortress extended down the beach as far as the eye could see in both directions.  I asked, “How far?”  The Voice answered, “Around the globe and to the right hand of God where Christ sat.”  It was pure black rock, minutely fractured, sharp as dull razors, like volcanic crystals so it was a bit reflective, but far more rugged than Italy or Oregon’s coastline.  [Later the Lord told me that this was His Holiness].  The ocean waves crashed and beat against it incessantly, yet there was no erosion. I had been walking along the beach sight-seeing and even playing in the waves.  However, I was told to RUN up the beach away from the waves that would eventually drown me, no matter how I resisted or fought back.  The Lord said, “This is Sin in the world.  RUN to the Rock Fortress for safety!”  The rest of the story is amazing!

 

Now back to my Gun dream!  No matter how we customize the “stock” to fit our identity, our flesh’smight and powerskill is not enough.  In fact, if we put our trusting-relying-faith in it, we are doomed!  The Gun won’t fire and the waves of sin in the world fueled by a hierarchy from the Evil One will continue to “steal, sacrifice as his offering, and then kill us eternally by separating us from God.”  The Lord really drove home this point by what He showed me next!

 

 

Machine Gun - prophecy of The Big Gun in our Spiritual Warfare for Spirit Music Meet-Ups

 

The Lord has given us a Big Gun in our Spiritual Warfare!  The middle section of the Gun was the biggest part and the most complicated, taking great Wisdom and Understanding to genuinely know the many designed and engineering internal workings that hold the ammunition, load it quickly and smoothly, and detonate the bullets.  For most of us this is a ‘black-box’ and we really don’t need to know how all this works, as long as we know where & how to load our bullets, how to keep all this clean so it won’t jam, where the safety lever/button is so we get it off in time, where & how to use the sights, and where & how to pull the trigger(s).

 

However, the Lord speaks much about being like little children to receive the secrets of the kingdom.  The Lord reminded me that “His ways & thoughts are higher than our ways & thoughts as the heavens are above the earth” per Isaiah 55:9.  I just stared at this section of His masterpiece design and engineering!  He told me that this is where all the real work gets done – by Him, just as Zechariah 4:6 declares concerning the transition from the palaios ‘old, worn-out, useless’ covenant to the chadash/kainos completely-different-in-kind, superior New Covenant:  “Absolutely no longer by [man’s] might and power but instead by-the-means-of My Spirit’ says Yahweh of hosts of angel-armies.”  The message of the dream was to surrender my control to this section of His Gun by putting my trusting-relying-faith in the Lord’s dunamis enabling-power instead of my own “might and powerskill that the “stock” represented.

 

The 3rd and final part of God’s Gun was the long-tapered barrel.  This is where the spiraling grooves inside the barrel spin the bullet to make it cut thru the air, fly straighter, and inflict more drilling damage when it hits its target.  Of course God’s dunamis enabling-power has a dynamite-like explosive tip!  It’s actually nuclear!  Paul says in 2 Corinthians 10:4-5 “The weapons of our warfare are absolutely-in-fact-NOT flesh-kind-of but instead Divinely dunatos ‘preeminently dunamis able/powerful’ to the demolition of ochuroma ‘heavily fortified, rock-walled, military fortresses,’ kathaireo ‘forcibly pulling/tearing/casting down and destroying for oneself’ logismos ‘value-reflecting reasoning-arguments’ [presented to us by so-called ‘knowledgeable’ Jews, philosophers, and even Satan by his deceptive reasoning] and/coupled every hupsoma ‘elevated-thing like walls, ramparts, and bulwarks’ that routinely epairo ‘raises itself up’ kata down-from/against The Gnosis Informational-Knowledge of/belonging-to God kai and/thus routinely aichmalotizo ‘leading away as captives of war, thus subjugating or bringing under control’ every [single] thought eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ the hupakoeobedient surrender’ belonging-to Christ.”

 

 

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This is a direct stab at the Gentile Gnostic & Mystery religions that saturated their Greek & Roman culture’s thinking.  Genuine gnosis knowledge belongs to God alone and the only way to acquire this is obedient surrender to Christ!  Can you see Paul’s description of siege warfare with Divine weapons that can pull down the walls of heavily-fortified cities of Satan and make them surrender to Christ?  The Lord has given us a Big Gun in our Spiritual Warfare!  How can the Christian avail themselves of such Divine weapons?  Surrender to Christ to be given God’s Gnosis Knowledge.  In the dream, the Lord explained that the barrel delivers the bullets of God accurately and effectively toward His targets by-the-means-of the dunamis enabling-power of the Holy Spirit!

 

The Lord made it clear to me that if I want this dynamite-like enabling-power for personal holiness/sanctification and my Spirit Music Meet-Ups ministry of playing Anointed, Prophetic, Spontaneous drumming music that will do His work in these last days, then I too will have to pick up His Gun, hold it properly, load up His bullets, aim at His targets – His will He has already disclosed and will disclose “in that very hour,” take His safety off because this is serious business now, and pull His trigger in complete trusting-relying-faith that He will do all the real work to properly chamber the bullets and project them accurately to His targets to completely destroy them.  Praise the Lord!  I have a little part of surrendering control to Him and proseuche conversationally-praying to prophetically see, hear, and feel His instruction for the other little parts I play.  Koinonia relationship and fellowship is all about partnership!

 

 

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1-22-22 Prophetic Drums of The Truth against the winds of deception in the USA & World

 

1-22-22 Prophetic Drums of The Truth against the winds of deception in the USA & World

 

On my birthday in my favorite park as a storm was blowing in, the Lord gave me a sense of urgency as I was playing to prophetically speak by the Spirit against the lies, deception, and fraud being perpetuated against us.  Notice how the wind gets really loud as the decrees against forces of darkness are being made!

 

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1-8-22 Dream: Being a little child in the presence of the Lord to be filled with His Spirit’s Joy

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I woke up from the most incredible God-dream!  It began with me as a middle-aged man waiting in a room for a job interview, though oddly I was dressed very sloppily with sweat pants on.  I was facing a large computer screen, sitting next to a young man on my right also doing the same.  It seemed like we waited forever!  He was so bored that he fell asleep slumped in the chair with his mouth wide open.  I was so bored I turned on the computer and was starting to do some interactive program, but it was so much like a multi-tasking video game geared to this ADHD generation that I got frustrated and thought that if this company was looking for these kind of “wired” people, forget it!  Just then a lady in a white power suit came up to escort me into the hiring office.  I saw a candidate leave.

 

The man behind the desk was like so many professionals I’ve seen with their fancy suits thinking they are someone really important and so very intimidating.  I jumped through his ‘hoops,’ but felt like his questions never really accessed who I am, the persevering hard worker that I am, or the initiative and adaptability I’ve displayed in various careers.  I left the office frustrated that their screening process was so superficial, that I probably slipped right through there ‘mesh,’ and that they “lost a good one.”

 

When I became aware of this negative dream I asked the Lord why I would be dreaming something so stressful and seemingly non-applicable.  I’m 62 years old and You told me that I would “never have another ‘job’ again” because You spoke my Identity to me and gave me my mission that started www.SpiritMusicMeetups – see My Story for details.

 

Then I saw the young man that had left the hiring office before me all dressed up in his fine dark grey suit playing with a motorized submarine in a koi pond that was in one of the rooms – this was a fancy building!  I was judgmental that a grown man was playing with a kid’s toy – and in their koi pond!  He asked me to join him but I laughed and said I had better things to do with my time!  Then he waded into it with his nice shoes and socks and I said, “Are you kidding me?  You’re going to ruin your leather shoes!”  In real life I had koi pond it would stain anything with its stinky muck!  Then he waded up to his knees and I said, “You are going to stain your expensive pants!”  Then he waded up to his chest and I said “You’re crazy!  You are going to ruin you nice jacket!”  He just laughed and invited me to join him.  I thought he must have a screw loose – no wonder he didn’t get the job!  None of this made any sense so I left that room.

 

Then I found myself in the room where all the little children are dropped off by parents that work in the building.  It was like so many day-cares at gyms with plenty of things for children to play with.  However, it was their ‘nap time,’ like I remember from my kindergarten days, and they were all in their beds – 1 here, 2 there, etc.  When I came into the room, for some reason I laid down on a bed right next to 2 little kids and before long all the kids were all on that bed with me like so many pillows!  One little child, so small he looked the size of a large baby, crawled up onto my chest, but he slid off and off the bed and almost went head first onto the floor, but I caught him just before he did!  We were all on the bed laughing, feeling joyful, playful, and peacefully-restful and knew we would fall asleep together like a pack of animals in the wild!

 

Then suddenly I found ‘my real self’ on the outside balcony of this building.  I say ‘my real self’ because I realized that the Man in that room with the little children was not me, though I was looking through His eyes.  This has happened often in other prophetic dreams when I suddenly realized that I’m looking through Christ’s eyes!  The ‘real me’ was now on a shady balcony looking out towards beautiful landscaping with tall trees and green grass in bright light.  The balcony had an old iron trellis with vines framing my view.  As I admired the view and contemplated these past events of childlike behavior even from adults, the stresses of playing the pretentious game of being an adult and a professional, and then the “Joy of the Lord” with this kids, suddenly the trees started shaking with a buffeting wind that rattled the iron trellis.  It was so strong it was pushing me backwards so I grabbed the columns that framed my view to try to hold on.  The light was shimmering like reflections off the leaves of the tree.  It was violent, but instead of fear I was filled with such intense joy I just wept and wept and wept – when I woke up my pillow was wet!  I knew that I was genuinely, experientially, relationally epiginosko knowing the “Joy of the Lord that is our Strength” per Nehemiah 8:10.  I wanted to stay there forever, but I woke up with my annoying cough!

 

I had been battling an annoying cough for days from sinus drainage but last night was my first trying a cough suppressant.  It must have worn off!  I had this cough show up around 4 am during the night when the first round wore off, but I learned from the Praying Medic to bind those demons time and time again until they finally leave.  They will keep coming back to test your resolve, but if you persist rebuking them in the name/authority of Jesus, then they will finally give up and you will get your healing.  Well at 4 am I wasn’t too good at it because I was so tired.  It worked for a while.  I would start falling asleep and it would come back.  I did this 3 times and finally just got up and took my dose.  How do I know this was demonic?  Because it always came right when I started praying and falling asleep!  Now this morning when I wanted to go back into the prophetic dream to ask more from the Lord and re-live this profound joy, which I have been able to do up to 2 hours long in previous prophetic dreams, after getting a bit of insight from the Lord, sure enough the coughing spell returned!  And it was so frustrating that I felt like I had to get up!  Obviously, I still have to learn more about taking Christ’s authority over demons for healing!

 

But I managed to get this insight from the Lord:  I have been really wrapped up with the ‘nuts & bolts’ establishing of the content foundation, search-engine-optimization, and visibility of this www.SpiritMusicMeetups.org ministry.  It’s taken so much time and has worn on my health, likely setting me up for this cough.  I haven’t gone out into the park as much lately to “play my drums prophetically” and even to “learn as a little child by experimenting to keep it fun.”  I’ve been obsessing about being an adult doing my ‘adult work’ – even professionally, even worrying about finances like adults do.

 

Thank You Jesus for ‘waking me up’ to what You really care about, and that I can trust You by faith for the rest – and that I can peacefully-rest in this!  Then Jesus reminded me of what my student’s mom told me yesterday that helped her get through the nights with her bad cold that I likely got from her last week:  “Just do what we used to do as kids – spray the back of your throat with chloraseptic spray.”  So I’m heading out to get some today!  Thank You Jesus for speaking to us so many ways!

 

 

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Drawing near, conversational-prayer is most effective when done by the Spirit, which is likely by tongues, to build yourself up on your most holy faith

 

 

 

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In 1 Corinthians 14:14-15, Paul says: “If I presently/ongoingly proseuchomai conversationally-pray in a glossa tongue/language, the [Holy] Spirit (a) of/belonging-to me presently/ongoingly (b) presently/ongoingly proseuchomai conversationally-prays (c), but the mind of/belonging-to me is presently/ongoingly akarpos unfruitful (d). What am I to do? I shall actually proseuchomai conversationally-pray [by-the-means-of] (e) the Spirit (a) of/belonging-to me (c), but also I shall actually proseuchomai conversationally-pray [by-the-means-of] (e) the nous mind (f) of/belonging-to me; I shall actually psalmo sing (g) [by-the-means-of] (e)the Spirit (a) of/belonging-to me (c) kai and/also the nous mind (f) of/belonging-to me” We know from the next 2 verses that these tongues must consist of “eulogeo ‘speaking a good, beneficial logos message, thus blessing’ by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit” are directly related to “your eucharistia thanksgiving” in order for someone to “say Amen (h) to” if it were “eido mentally ‘seen’ to perceived/known,” thus the reason for interpretation within the assembly, especially for the sake of “oikodomeo edifying-building-up” any “idiotes uninformed/uneducated/outsiders” that may be there.

 

<Notes> a) definite article to + pneuma in Paul’s writings always means “The Holy Spirit,b) Paul as a Christian possess the indwelling Spirit within his spirit or “inner being” [Romans 7:22; Ephesians 3:16], “inner self” [2 Corinthians 4:16], “inner person of the heart” [1 Peter 3:4], or “koilia belly/abdomen/womb” [John 7:38] – see Identity, c) “the Spirit intercedes for us when we do not eido mentally ‘see’ to perceive/know what we should proseuchomai conversationally-pray for” per Romans 8:26-27, d) unyielding what it ought, unproductive, barren, useless, without understanding, e) no preposition but to pneuma is in the dative case of instrument/means, f) Paul sometimes use cardia heart and nous mind synonymously as many Jews do, but either are part of the psyche soul – see Identity, g) psalming can be singing and/or playing an instrument, h) means “so be it” as an affirmation.

 

Despite this point of orderly worship, Paul next says in 1 Corinthians 14:18-19 that “I thank God that I laleo ‘utter sounds, form words with the mouth’ [by-the-means-of] [plural] tongues more than all of you, though in [singular] church I would thelo will/desire/purpose laleo ‘utter sounds, form words with the mouth’ 5 logos messages [by-the-means-of] the mind of/belonging to me to katecheo ‘repetitively-instruct of foundational truths’ others than 10,000 logos messages en by-the-means-of [singular] glossa tongue/language.” That’s why Paul says in v. 14:5 “I presently/ongoingly thelo will/desire/purpose ALL you’all to presently/ongoingly laleo ‘utter sounds, form words with the mouth’ [by-the-means-of] [plural] tongues, but mallon ‘comparatively more’ in order that you should presently/ongoingly prophesy,” because this doesn’t also require the grace-gift of interpretation needed for “idiotes uninformed/uneducated/outsiders.”  It’s just crazy that so many churches ignore all of this, completely disobeying v. 14:39 “Therefore, brethren of mine, [I strongly urge you to] presently/ongoingly zeloo ‘zealously-desire, burning like boiling water’ to presently/ongoingly prophesy kai and/also in-possibility-NOT to koluo ‘hinder, restrain, cut-off, prevent, withhold, refuse, deny, or forbid’ to laleo ‘utter sounds, form words with the mouth’ [by-the-means-of] [plural] tongues.”

 

Concerning spiritual warfare, when Paul talks in Ephesians 6:18 about “routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying in pas all-kinds-of kairos ‘suitable, right, seasonable, opportune seasons/occasions’ by-the-means-of  [singular] Spirit and/coupled eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ this, be routinely agrupneo vigilantly-watching by-the-means-of all proskarteresis devoted-relational-perseverance and/coupled deesis supplication-prayer for all the saints” that very like Paul is referring to praying in tongues!  Paul clearly understands that “the one who routinely laleo ‘utter sounds, form words with the mouth’ [by-the-means-of] [singular] tongue presently/ongoingly oikodomeo edifying-building-up oneself” (a) and that if interpreted it can oikodomeo edifying-building-up others in the ekklesia church-assembly (b), especially to accommodate those “idiotes uninformed/uneducated/outsiders.” <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 14:4, b) 1 Corinthians 14:5, 26.

 

Similarly Jude 1:19-21 is likely talking about tongues:  “These [scoffing, ungodly] people are divisive, worldly, not having [singular] Spirit.  But you, beloved, routinely epoikodomeo ‘edifying or building up from a foundation’ [plural] yourselves [by-the-means-of] the most holy Trusting-Relying-Faith of/belonging-to you, routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying en by-the-means-of [singular] Holy Spirit, [I strongly urge you to] definitively/wholly tereo ‘carefully watch/observe to safely-guard, care-for/attend-to, firmly-hold/stand-in/maintain-a-present-state,’ yourself in The Unconditional-Love of/belonging-to God, routinely prosdechomai ‘expectantly waiting to interactively welcome’ the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal zoe genuine-life.”

 

The present participles “routinely building…routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying” are the lifestyle-habits of how to do the imperative “tereo ‘carefully watch/observe to safely-guard, care-for/attend-to, firmly-hold/stand-in/maintain-a-present-state’ yourself in The Unconditional-Love of/belonging-to God.” That’s how you keep from “not having [singular] Spirit” like the “divisive, worldly people.” Here, the HOW-TO for “routinely epoikodomeo ‘edifying or building up from a foundation’ [plural] yourselves [by-the-means-of] the most holy Trusting-Relying-Faith of/belonging-to you” is spelled out as by “routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying en by-the-means-of [singular] Holy Spirit,” which again is likely tongues – see Tongues & Interpretation.

 

It’s really sad to see so many Christians not only misunderstand these verses but then resist learning them and enjoying their benefits by practicing them!  A lot of the problem is in our English bibles and the preachers & teachers that build doctrine from them instead of insuring that’s what the original languages say – see Bible Info.

 

I was a Christian for a long time before I learned how to let tongues happen in proseuche conversational-prayer.  It used to really worry me that maybe my tongues weren’t from God, but something I just was making up, until one night I was proseuchomai conversationally-praying a lot in tongues, when it seemed to just be gushing out of me. I expressed my worry to God and suddenly I was praising and thanking God in English with the most beautiful poetry I’ve ever heard, even more elaborately rhyming than the book of Psalms, and I knew it couldn’t be me because I hated poetry in school and really sucked at it!  And as this was occurring I absolutely knew it was an interpretation of what I had been saying in tongues. This went on for about 5 minutes, and afterwards I was sobbing in tears and greatly humbled that I doubted God’s grace-gift.  Any time I’ve ever wondered what I was saying, the Lord reminds me of that night, and all doubt flees!

 

 

 

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Drawing-near, conversational-prayer is where we can “be led by the Spirit as [mature] sons of God” into sanctification/holiness

 

 

 

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Drawing-near, conversational-prayer, not bible-study, is the key to starting the whole “personal holiness” ball rolling, and the Spirit of holiness (a), the Holy Spirit (b) takes it from there! It’s like a quarterback handing off the ball to his running back. Hogging the ball with “might and power” self-determination to zealously do the “works of righteousness” for God is nothing more than more Law!  Biblical prayer is all about surrendering-control! Renner.org recognizes proseuche conversational-prayer “demands surrender, consecration (holiness means ‘set apart’ sanctification or consecration), and thanksgiving from us.”  Isn’t it strange that although you find this practice of worshipful, thankful, patiently-waiting, watchful, listening, dialogue of proseuche conversational-prayer a dominant reason that started revivals and actually the dominant practice during revivals – and subsequent holiness throughout the area, you see very little of it in the modern Church today!  If there is any prayer, it’s a 5 minute ritualistic reciting of the ‘Lord’s Prayer’ as if it was something other than the model of how to pray that it actually is – and many Catholics still use the repetition of rosary beads, but in either case completely ignoring Christ’s warning to “not-in-possibility babble repetitiously as the pagans do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words” per Matthew 6:7!  <Notes> a) Romans 1:4, b) use only 3 times in the OT [Psalms 51:11, 63:10-11] but 95 times in the NT – this explains Zechariah 4:6’s “not by might nor power but by My Spirit” emphasis of the New Covenant.

 

As we’ve seen all along, “proseuche conversational-prayer” is the only thing we really can “do” and that’s just to get “the ball rolling” towards “genuinely, experientially, relationally epiginosko knowing God’s will by the means of all Spirit-kind of wisdom and understanding” that leads to “walking in a manner worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing to Him: bearing fruit in every good work” (a). Just as Paul proseuchomai conversationally-prays, so should we in order to be “empowered through His Spirit in our inner being so that . . .we may be definitively/wholly pleroo filled-to-completeness with [the content of] the pleroma abundant-completeness of God” (b).  No amount of “working for righteousness” (c) will work to “be holy and blameless before Him” (d), “be holy without blameless” (e) and “above reproach before Him” (f), “calling us . . . in holiness” (g) for “you shall be holy for I am holy” (h) or “you must be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect” (i).  None of our “might and power” will work as Paul says in 2 Thessalonians 1:11-12, “To this end we ongoingly proseuchomai conversationally-pray always for you, that our God may MAKE you worthy of His calling and may definitively/wholly pleroo fill-to-completion every one [of your] delights/petitions of/belonging-to goodness and/coupled [singular] work of [singular] trusting-relying-faith by the means of His dunamis enabling-power, [in a manner so] that the name/authority of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in Him, kata down-from/according-to the unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.”  Holiness comes from unconditional grace not by works lest anybody boast (j)!  Praise the Lord! <Notes> a) Colossians 1:9-10, b) Ephesians 3:16-19, c) Romans 4:6; Titus 3:5, d) Ephesians 1:4, e) Ephesians 5:27, f) Colossians 1:22, g) 1 Thessalonians 4:7, h) 1 Peter 1:16 citing Leviticus 11:44, i) Matthew 5:48, j) Ephesians 2:9; Romans 3:27, 4:2.

 

Peter and Jude understood this link between theself-control” needed for holiness and “proseuche conversational-prayer” too!  Peter says:  “Now that the end has already [with ongoing effects] eggizo ‘drawn extremely close-beside’ [I strongly urge you to] definitively/wholly be sophroneo self-controlled and/coupled nepho sober-minded (b) eis ‘towards and reaching the goal of’ proseuche conversational-prayer” (c). Jude also understood how we can “be definitively/wholly tereo ‘carefully watch/observe to safely-guard, care-for/attend-to, firmly-hold/stand-in/maintain-a-present-state yourself in The Unconditional-Love of/belonging-to God” so as to not be “worldly people, devoid of the Spirit.” How?  The present participles following indicate how most likely sequentially: “routinely be building up yourselves in the most holy Trusting-Relying-Faith of yours, [by] routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying by-the-means-of the Holy Spirit, [by] routinely prosdechomai ‘expectantly waiting to interactively welcome’ for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to zoe genuine-life everlasting (d). <Notes> a) sophroneo means “safety-minded, safe as to what regulates life like our diaphragm, also derived from phroneo, controls our ability to breathe which controls our heartbeat and thus our life.  It also means to have a sober outlook that reflects true balance, truly moderate, controlled to blend the extremities of truth on both side of a matter,” b) nepho:  not intoxicated or drunk, temperate, self-controlled, clear-minded, rational, c) 1 Peter 4:7, d) Jude 1:19-21.

 

The key to spiritual warfare isn’t learning more of the bible to quote back to Satan and his demons, but that’s what so many churches teach. Jesus said NOTHING but this kind of proseuche conversational-prayer would drive out some kinds of demons for healing, not even fasting (a).  James 5:13-18 says proseuche conversational-prayer is the solution to making it through troubles, even sickness!  Paul says in Ephesians 6:17-18, the “sword of the Spirit” to swing against the enemy isn’t bible verses, what churches says is “the Word of God” – but that’s not even what logos means in the NT as Logos Word of God shows!  Instead “the sword” “is presently/ongoing [singular] directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema word of/belonging-to God,” and Paul tells you exactly how to get this – not through readying, studying, and memorizing the gramma writings in the logos messages of the bible, and certainly not the OT graphe scripture collection of gramma writings, but “dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of pas all-kinds-of proseuche conversational-prayer and/coupled deesis supplication-prayer.”  That’s because rhema words are directly-spoken and listened to be heard, not read!

 

<Notes> a) Mark 9:29 – “and fasting” was added in later by Catholic monks who practiced this OT “tradition of the elders” that is not even specified in OT Law – see Conversational-Prayer – BT4 on fasting but see also Net Bible note.  When Paul’s team appointed elders in every church in Acts 14:23 they did so with proseuchomai conversationally-praying.”  The addition of “and fasting” is not found even in textual variants nor is it warranted because in 3 of the 4 other uses of that form in Acts 1:24 choosing of the 12th apostles above, Acts 6:6 laying hands on the 7 chosen deacons above, and Acts 21:5 departing of Paul bellows, there is no implication of fasting.  However, the common rabbinical phrase “fasting and prayer” is found in Acts 13:3 of the early church of Antioch prophets and teachers gathered together to leitourgeo liturgical-worship-serve the Lord and/coupled fasting.  While doing so the Holy Spirit told them to set apart Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.  Then after again ‘fasting and praying’ they laid their hands on them [likely for anointing, blessing, and ordination] they sent the off.  Clearly the limited use of leitourgeo liturgical-worship-serving indicates that these Christians were Jewish still following many of the OT “traditions of the elders” like fasting.  As the church became more Gentile you see this fade away until the Catholic Church resurrected many of them after 200 AD.

 

Now let’s see how Paul tells us in Ephesians 6:18 to get “the sword of the Spirit that is presently/ongoing [singular] directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema word of/belonging-to God”: by “routinely be proseuchomai conversationally-praying in pas all-kinds-of kairos ‘suitable, right, seasonable, opportune seasons/occassions’ by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit and/coupled eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ this, be routinely agrupneo vigilantly-watching by-the-means-of all proskarteresis devoted-relational-perseverance and/coupled deesis supplication-prayer for all the saints.”  Again, it doesn’t come from bible-study!

 

Can you see that even our proseuche conversational-prayer is to be empowered by the Spirit of holiness as a persevering routine lifestyle habit?  And we saw in 1 Corinthians 14:14-16 that “proseuchomai conversationally-praying (and even singing) by-the-means-of The [Holy] Spirit” is likely proseuchomai conversationally-praying in tongues! And when our “minds are unproductive,” when “we don’t dei behoove what to proseuchomai conversationally-pray for as we ought,” then “the Spirit Himself intercedes for us by the means of inexpressible/unspeakable groanings/sighs” per Romans 8:26.  See also The Grace-Gifts of Tongues & Interpretation and Conversational-Prayer – BT22.

 

If we want sanctification/holiness we have to be enmpowered by the Spirit of holiness!  Paul said “for as many as are presently/ongoingly agoled or driven’ by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit of God, these presently/ongoingly are huios ‘matured-sons that can receive their inheritance’ of/belonging-to God” (a). Paul strongly-urges us “to presently/ongoingly peripateo ‘‘walk-all-around or live’ by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit” (b) even routinely (c), and because we already “presently/ongoingly zoa genuine-live by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit, we should also presently/ongoingly stoicheo ‘to walk in a line, in strict accordance to a particular pace or cadence, thus to keep in step’ by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit” (d).  Church growth doesn’t come from evangelism programs, but: “the church throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria . . . multiplied” exactly because it had “by-the-means of the paraklesis ‘exhortation from an urging by someone close-beside, thus motivation, inspiration, encouragement, comfort, counsel, or instruction’ of the Holy Spirit” and thus “it continually had peace, was routinely built up and/coupled poreuomai journeying-about in the fear/reverential-awe of the Lord” (e).  Let’s not get ‘the cart before the horses’ as many churches do!   <Notes> a) Romans 8:14, b) Galatians 5:16, c) Romans 8:4, d) Galatians 5:25, e) Acts 9:31.

 

This goes way beyond reading, studying, and memorizing commandments from the bible, for “sin, seizing opportunities through the commandments, deceives you and through the commandments will kill you” (a). If you follow human teachers, sooner or later, you will be deceived, for “evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived, but as for you, continue in what you have manthano ‘learned the facts through experiential, reflective knowledge’ and have firmly had trusting-relying-faith in, having already [with ongoingly effects] eido mentally ‘seen’ to perceive/know from [plural] whom you learned it” (b).  In context Paul isn’t telling Timothy to follow synagogue rabbis who taught OT scriptures or the Law, who were “always routinely manthano learning but never able to arrive at a genuine, experiential, relational epignosis knowledge of The Truth” (c).  The “whom” is plural, which could include in context his mother Eunice and maybe even his grandmother Lois (d), which were the prophetic portions of the “sacred gramma writings, [specifically] the ones that were able to make him wise for salvation dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of trusting-relying-faith in Christ Jesus” (e).  But it could have the all the reinforcement by Paul since Timothy was his pastor-in-training who he is always writing to in order to instruct him.  All this may be true, but Paul’s use of eido is a word most common to personal prophetic vision acquired from direct contact with the Lord! <Notes> a) Romans 7:11, b) 2 Timothy 3:14, c) 2 Timothy 3:7, d) 2 Timothy 1:5, e) 2 Timothy 3:15.

 

Eido perception-knowledge is the same way all Christians “manthano learned Christ . . . as you were taught by-the-means-of Him, as The Truth is IN Jesus” (a). That’s exactly why the completely-different-in-kind New Covenant Way of the “yada/ginosko knowledge of God” is “absolutely not in possibility or in fact [such] that each one be teaching his neighbor or his brethren,” as was required under the old covenant to disseminate the gramma writings and the gnosis informational-knowledge about God and His will down from the greatest to the least, from Moses all the way down to the household servants and Gentile converts.  Instead God promises it will be now by “eido mentally ‘seeing’ to perceive/know Yahwehfrom the least of them to the greatest” (b)!  <Notes> a) Ephesians 4:20-21, b) Jeremiah 31:34 cited in Hebrews 8:11, cf. Hebrews 10:16-17.

 

Jesus explains clearly what “learning Christ” means:  “Take My yoke (a) and/coupled manthano learn from Me” (b), thus “Everyone who has already manthano learned from the Father comes to Me” (c).  This means the Spirit was teaching!  Learning from God comes from prophesy, which is hearing the directly-spoken prophetic rhema word of the Lord (d).  John warned his readers about teachers who would end up deceiving them, saying instead “you’all have been anointed by the Holy One, and so you’all already [with ongoing effects] eido mentally ‘seen’ to perceive/know all-things . . . The anointing that you already have received from God presently/ongoingly meno ‘abides, remains, lives’ IN you (e), and so you have absolutely-in-fact-NO need that ANYONE should teach you, . . . His anointing actually, presently/ongoingly teaches you ALL things, . . . therefore, just as it has already taught you, presently/ongoing meno ‘abide, remain, live’ in Him” (f). <Notes> a) connecting rod for training animals, b) Matthew 11:29, c) John 6:45, d) 1 Corinthians 14:31, e) a reference to the Holy Spirit, f) 1 John 2:20-27.

 

Despite what Paul and other church leaders have pressed, we are only supposed on have “One Teacher.”  Jesus made that crystal clear in Matthew 23:8 saying “One is presently/ongoing The Teacher of/belonging-to you” – see Teach One Another – BT10, so “that you’all in-possibility-NOT might not be called rabbi,” “which means teacher” (a).  Just as the Spirit led people to come to Christ (b), now that Christ is in heaven, Jesus has given us the promised grace-gift of the Father (c) of “another Parakletos “helper, advocate, counselor, teacher, comforter’ to be with [and especially IN] you forever” (d).  Now for us, the Spirit is still the “One Teacher” to “guide you into ALL The Truth” (e), “who will teach you ALL things” (f). Christians sure go to a lot of trouble finding their favorite teachers to follow, when they could just develop a deep enough proseuche conversational-prayer life to actually akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know the “One Teacher” who will always tell you exactly what you need to hear! <Notes> a) John 1:3, b) John 6:45, c) John 14:16, cf. Matthew 7:11; Luke 11:13; Ephesians 1:17, d) John 14:16-17, 26, 15:26, 16:7; 1 John 2:1, e) John 16:13, f) John 14:26.

 

Drawing-near to God is a Hebrew idiom for “seeking, inquiring of, calling on, hearing, delighting in, and ministering to” God through “reverential, trusting, heart-felt, listening, attentive, proseuche conversational-prayer” as we see in:  1 Samuel 14:37; the way to minister to God per Ezekiel 43:19; prayer in the house of God more important than foolish sacrifices per Ecclesiastes 5:1; more important than lip-service and blindly following man-taught commandments per Isaiah 29:13; important to actually hear the Lord per Isaiah 34:1 and 48:16, which is what God’s zeteo diligently-seeking and delighting people do per Isaiah 58:2; but rebellious people won’t listen or have trusting-relying-faith either per Zephaniah 3:1; Psalms 145:18 promises “The Lord is near to all who call on Him” and people experienced this per Lamentations 3:57.

 

In proseuche conversational-prayer James 4:6-8 strongly-urges us to eggizodraw extremely close-beside’ God” by “definitively/wholly hupotasso ‘voluntarily submitting, yielding or falling in line behind a commander’ to God” in order for “God to eggizodraw extremely close-beside’ to you” in order to receive “the present/ongoing giving of unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace from Him to those who are lowly/humble.”  This is how we definitively/wholly anthistemi ‘stand against or opposed to, to resist’ the devil kai and/thus he shall indeed flee from you.”  Otherwise, “God anthistemi ‘stand against or opposed to, to resist’ the proud/arrogant.” It all belongs together in the Greek – I’ve heard some strange doctrines from people pulling verses out of context!

 

Likewise Hebrews 11:6 says: “Without trusting-relying-faith it is impossible to please God, for whoever would proserchomai draw near to God must have trusting-relying-faith that He is presently/ongoingly exists and/coupled is presently/ongoingly a Rewarder to those who zeteo diligently-seek Him” – yet another Hebrew idiom for worshipful prayer!   Hebrews 4:15 says, “Because we have a high priest that can sympathize with our weaknesses, having been tempted in every respect but without sin, let us then confidently proserchomai draw near to the throne of unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace.”  Bible verses from the 97.4% of the OT that is Law-based – see Logos Word of God – BT5a – sure won’t help us with holiness, as Hebrews 7:19, 25 says:  “The Law made nothing perfect, but we have been given a better hope through which we presently/ongoingly eggizodraw extremely close-beside’ to God.”  Hebrews 10:21-22 says “Since having a great priest over the house of God we should presently/ongoingly proserchomai draw near with a sincere-truthful heart by the means of the full assurance of trusting-relying-faith.” Hebrews 7:24-25, since Christ “holds His priesthood permanently . . . He is able to save to the uttermost those who presently/ongoingly proserchomai draw near to God through Him, since Christ lives forever to make intercession for them.”

 

Can you see how “devoted, heart-felt, humble seeking, drawing near, attentive-listening in reverential awe, calling on, and delighting in the Lord” are all one-in-the-same “proseuche conversational-prayer” and this does indeed require trusting-relying-faith that God is there to be found and that it’s worth the time and effort to daily practice this habit, especially have you want any hope of sanctification/holiness?

 

Metamorphic transformation won’t come reading the bible, let alone the books of Moses!  Paul warns Jewish-Christians in 2 Corinthians 3:7-18 that if they even read the Law of Moses (a), like Jews who atenizo ‘fixed their eyes on or gazing at’ Moses’ face that shown from directly meeting God, than now Jewish-Christians reading Moses will have their hearts be hardened just like the Jews’ were. Metamorphoo ‘metamorphic transformation’ (b) instead comes from kataoptanomai ‘fixing that eyes on or gazing with wide-open eyes [in amazement] as looking in a mirror’ the glory of the Lord [Jesus], who is the Spirit,” not by reading the old covenant of Moses!  Hebrews 12:2 says we should be aphorao ‘turning the eyes away from something toward fixing the eyes on another to observe, perceive-know, or discern it’ eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our trusting-relying-faith.” This is where our focused-gaze should be, not on ancient biblical writings, and so watchful proseuche conversational-prayer is a great way to practice this! <Notes> a) technically the first 5 books of the OT, but 97.4% of the OT contains the conditions of obedience for God’s conditional-favor – see Logos Word of God – BT5a, b) Romans 12:2 – it’s highly questionable that Paul meant for “the renewing of the mind” by having your head buried in the bible, and certainly NOT the OT graphe scripture.  Paul’s writings consistently speak of the Holy Spirit renewing the mind through genuine, experiential, relational epignosis knowledge through koinonia intimate-fellowship, not be acquiring gnosis informational-knowledge from books!

 

So much of sin comes from our knee-jerk reactions to “the cares/anxieties of the world.”  Proseuche conversational-prayer is where we can not only cast our anxieties to His personal care by “being still/quiet,” and then desperately cry out, call upon, ask, entreat, beg, plead, require, and even demand for the presence of God Himself, drawing near to God, learning to delight in Him alone, not just bringing our petitions “before God” but asking “for God” Himself, knowing that IN Him, BY Him, and WITH Him all our personal needs are met. This is where healing and strength against temptation is acquired – not by quoting scripture, but by feeding off every directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema word that comes from the mouth of God, so the Lord becomes our daily bread! Christ’s directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema word is Spirit and zoe genuine-life. Having such a resounding “Yes” within you gives you the strength to say “No” to the distractions of the world, the flesh, and the devil!  Prayer is where we can ask for the ability to forgive others in order to receive our healing and be set free from stronghold bondages in our lives. This is where we learn the gospel logos message of The Truth, who is Christ, who sets us free from every captivity to be able to live righteous and holy lives in an unholy world.

 

Good works?  As the nature or fruit of the Holy Spirit works in us more and more “both to desire and to do His good pleasure,” we experience how “easy Christ’s yoke is and how light His burden is,” and we will naturally find ourselves worshiping and praising the Lord more and more as we experience His awesome wonder. Sharing Christ will also be natural, from the overflow of the Spirit’s unconditional-love and joy in us.  These are certainly the “good works” we were created for!

 

This is where we open ourselves up to experience the grace-gifts, signs, and wonders of the Holy Spirit. This is how we can receive and practice tongues to build ourselves up in our trusting-relying-faith, praising and thanking God by the Spirit – see also Conversational-Prayer – BT22.  This is where we can patiently watch for dreams, visions, and prophecy, in order to be led by the Spirit, keep in step with the Spirit, and walk by the Spirit All this and much more happens when we are devoted to patiently waiting, watching, listening, worshipful, conversational-prayer.

 

This is what it means to be a disciple of Christ, a follower of the living person of Christ, not others or even the writings about Him. This is when we can learn to be humble, lowly, and “all ears” teachable like trusting, boldly-confident, relentless little children and the other Least Among You so that we can receive more unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace to be lifted up, strengthened, and renewed to walk, run, and even fly.  We will learn like little children do – directly from their parents by what they see and hear!

 

 

 

 

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Conversational Prayer – BT20

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Drawing-near, conversational-prayer does include giving thanks for His stuff but should lead us to worshipping God Himself

 

 

 

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See Conversational-Prayer – BT4 for seeking God Himself and not just His stuff or help.

 

We already saw in Conversation-Prayer – BT11 that proseuche conversational-prayer is also more like the Greek noun eucharistia, meaning “an attitude of gratitude and thankfulness expressed chiefly through prayer,” and that we should be devoted to it as Paul strongly-urges:  “be presently/ongoingly proskartereo persistently-relationally-devoted-toward (a) proseuche conversational-prayer, routinely gregoreo vigilantly-watching (b) in it with with eucharistia thanksgiving” (c).  He also strongly-urges us to “presently/ongoingly be proseuchomai conversationally-praying without ceasing, presently/ongoingly be giving eucharistia thanksgiving in all (or all-kinds-of) circumstances, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you” (d).  This is one of the few places “the will of God” is explicitly stated!  Paul tells Timothy “[I strongly-urge-you] that deesis supplication, proseuche conversational-prayers, enteuxis confident-approaching-intercessions, [and] eucharistia thanksgiving be made on-behalf-of all people, for kings and those in high positions, that we may lead a eremos ‘undisturbed, placid, tranquil, composed’ and/coupled hesuchios ‘still, quiet, calm, steady, settled’ life” (e). <Notes> a) proskartereo:  “pros towards-and-interacting-with plus kartereo ‘showing of steadfast strength,’ thus to consistently show strength that prevails in spite of difficulties, thus to endure and stay in a fixed direction, continuing to do something with intense effort despite difficulty, and so be persistently-relationally-devoted-to,” b) watching in prayer is the topic of Conversational-Prayer – BT17 and – BT18,  c) Colossians 4:2, d) 1 Thessalonians 5:17-18, d) 1 Timothy 2:1-2.

 

Furthermore Paul says, “Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, rooted and built up in Him and established in The Trusting-Relying-Faith, just as you were taught, abounding in eucharistia thanksgiving” (a).  So Paul strongly-urges us to:  “Be anxious about nothing but through proseuche conversational-prayer and/coupled deesis supplication [both together] with eucharistia thanksgiving, let your aitema specific-subordinately-asked-petitions be made gnorizo experientially, relationally known to God” (b).  That’s the cure for the “cares of this world” that can “choke the gospel logos message so it proves unfruitful” (c), so Peter also strongly-urges us:  “Lower/humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God . . . routinely casting ALL your anxieties upon Him, because He cares for you” (d).  Paul says that when we pray or sing in tongues we are most definitely offering blessing and thanksgiving to God:  “If you are eulogeo ‘speaking a good, beneficial logos message, thus blessing’ God by-the-means-of the Spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed/ignorant say ‘Amen’ (e) at your eucharistia thanksgiving [that tongues must contain] since he does absolutely-in-fact-NOT eido mentally ‘see’ to perceive/know what you say” (f)?  Obvious blessing-praise as an exuberant form of worship contains thanksgiving, and tongues is a great way to do it all!  This is also what Paul most likely was referring to when he strongly-urges us to “routinely, proseuchomai conversationally-praying in all occasions by the means of the Holy Spirit . . . routinely watching by the means of all persistency” (g) – see also The Grace-Gifts of Tongues & Interpretation and Conversational-Prayer – BT22<Notes> a) Colossians 2:6-7, b) Philippians 4:6, c) Matthew 13:22; Mark 4:19, d) 1 Peter 5:6-7, e) Hebrew for “So Be It” agreement, f) 1 Corinthians 14:16, g) Ephesians 6:18.

 

Clearly there is a strong relationship between worship and prayer.  In www.sermonindex.net, the New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology writes that “In OT prayer…the suppliant never forgot that he was addressing the holy, almighty God. The frequent use of the verb proskuneo for worship therefore indicated the customary bowing, kneeling, or prostrate posture in prayer.”  Indeed proskuneo means “to kiss another’s hand (as a dog licking the hand), kissing the ground in front of someone, or kissing the hem of one’s garment, kiss one’s hands toward someone, bend one’s waist forward toward someone, fall upon one’s knees toward someone, or prostrate oneself in reverent submission to someone.” In the OT, it showed respect for authority, reverence, submission, and in 75% of the time as worship, and these actions were the customary postures in proseuche conversational-prayer.

 

In the NT we also see the “bowing of knees before the Father” in Paul’s proseuchomai conversational-praying for Christians (a), in worship of Jesus (b), in the mock-worship of Jesus (c), and the worship of Jacob by His sons (d), and the worship of Baal (e). <Notes> a) Ephesians 3:14; Acts 21:5, b) Romans 14:11; Philippians 2:10; Luke 5:8; Acts 7:60, c) Matthew 27:27; Mark 15:19, d) Hebrews 11:21, e) Romans 11:4.

 

In Conversational-Prayer – BT8, we saw that the Greek word normally used for “drawing near” is proserchomai but eggizo can be used for “drawing extremely close” and both are Hebrew idioms for worship (a).  Notice that proseuchomai conversationally-praying and proserchomai drawing-near sound almost the same, both are used 86 times in the NT, and both have the prefix pros for “the bending, kneeling, throwing, or falling on one’s face toward” because both are nearly the same idea: euchomai is to wish-pray and erchomai is to come-from-one-place-to-another!  <Notes> a) James 4:8 “drawing-extemely-close to God in order that God will draw-extremely-close to us,” Hebrews 7:19, Ezekiel 43:19, Zephaniah 3:2, and Isaiah 58:2 uses eggizo, but other verses use proserchomai:  also a Hebraism for “seeking an audience with, approaching, inquiring of, calling on to visit, or be heard by” God, thus closely akin in spelling and meaning to proseuche conversational-prayer and proskuneo worship, used of approaching God’s grace through full assurance that God exists and rewards those who have trusting-relying-faith in Christ:  Hebrews 4:16, 7:25, 10:22, 11:6; of attaching/connecting oneself to Christ to participate in the benefits procured by Him:  1 Peter 2:4, cf. John 15:1-8 abiding in Christ; warnings of NOT drawing-close-to the  sound-messages of the Lord Jesus Christ but especially not teaching them:  1 Timothy 6:3; of priests about to offer sacrifices: Leviticus 21:17, 21; Deuteronomy 21:5, that can’t make anybody perfect as Jesus can: Hebrews 10:1; of seeking God’s counsel:  1 Samuel 14:36.

 

The Lord’s ‘Prayer model’ starts with adoring worship of The Father:  “[I strongly urge] to be definitively/wholly hagiazo ‘sanctified/dedicated separate/special, consecrate as holy/pure’ Thy name/person/authority” (a). The completely-different-in-kind chadash/kainos New Covenant be definition of chadash/kainos has absolutely nothing to do with latreuo liturgically-worship-serving God through commandments of circumcision, liturgical rituals and sacrifices, but “Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, and thus let us latreuo liturgically-worship-serve God acceptably with reverence and awe” (b), for Paul says:  “We are the [true] circumcision, who are routinely latreuo liturgically-worship-serve by-the-means-of the Spirit of God and/coupled routinely kauchaomai ‘holding the neck high with God-given confidence, boasting/exulting’ in Christ Jesus kai and/thus already having [with ongoing results] absolutely-in-fact-NOT peitho ‘put-confidence or persuasion in what is deemed trustworthy’ (c) in the [context: ritual circumcision or any works of the] flesh” (d).  <Notes> a) Matthew 6:9; Luke 11:2, b) Hebrews 12:28, c) this is at the root of pistis trusting-relying-faith in what/who is trustworthy, d) Philippians 3:3.

 

Can you see how Paul has redefined latreuo liturgically-worship-serving, and he does again!  After spending Romans chapter 11 about the place of Israel in God’s plans now that they rejected their Messiah, In Romans 12:1 Paul redefines the “acceptable, pleasing sacrifices to God” NOW under the completely-different-in-kind New Covenant: “I presently/ongoingly parakaleo ‘close-beside call on, exhort, encourage, counsel, and instruct’ you brethren . . . to presently/ongoingly paristemi ‘close-beside standing, ready to present’ your bodies [as a] routinely zoa genuinely-living thusia ‘official, prescribed sacrifice/offering acceptable to God as were many in the OT’, hagios sanctified/holy, euarestos ‘well/good-pleasing because they are fully acceptable’ to The God, this [being] [singular] logikos ‘divinely logical, rational, reasonable from the context of God’s logos message to us’ latreia liturgical-worship-service of/belonging-to you.”  So if you still want to “do something” to liturgical-worship-serve God it should be “routinely by-the-means-of the Spirit of God and/coupled routinely kauchaomai ‘holding the neck high with God-given confidence, boasting/exulting’ in Christ Jesus” – certainly not any of your ‘spiritual disciplines or sacrifices for your church – and “presently/ongoingly paristemi ‘close-beside standing, ready to present’ your bodies [as a] routinely zoa genuinely-living thusia ‘official, prescribed sacrifice/offering acceptable to God as were many in the OT’, hagios sanctified/holy, euarestos ‘well/good-pleasing because they are fully acceptable’ to The God.”  Personally, I like to physically gesture with my hand(s), even “lifting up holy hands” (a), this surrender to the Lord of my mind, emotions, will (psyche – soul) and then various parts or all of my body, thus encompassing all aspects of my flesh – see Identity. <Notes> ) Psalms 28:2, 134:2; 1 Timothy 2:8.

 

According to Vine’s Expository Dictionary and Preceptaustin.org, proseuche means to “an exchange immediately before, facing, or towards (pros) God, indicating close relational contact, of wishes (euche) that includes worshipful, adoring devotion – something not present in the words involving supplication/petition – the act of such prayer being itself an acceptable offering to God.” Hebrew-Streams.org recognizes that “Apostolic worship can be discerned by focusing on words such as prayer (predominantly proseuche and proseuchomai), praise, thanksgiving, blessing, and on the content of hymns.” We see this coming even from God-fearing Jews that act as a memorial before God (a), even the “prayers of the saints that ascend before God” (b). <Notes> a) Acts 10:4, 31, b) Revelation 5:8, 8:3-4.

 

To really bring home the point that it’s not where you worship God that matters but how you worship God under the completely-different-in-kind New Covenant that does, Jesus tells the Samarian woman at the well:  “The hour is coming when neither on this mountain (of Samaria) nor in Jerusalem (Temple) shall you actually routinely proskuneo worship the Father . . . But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true/genuine worshipers shall actually routinely proskuneo worship the Father en by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit and/coupled en by-the-means-of [singular] Truth, for the Father is presently/ongoingly zeteo seeking (a) such people to routinely proskuneo worship Him. God is Spirit kai and/thus those routinely proskuneo worshipping Him are presently/ongoingly necessarily constrained to presently/ongoingly worship en by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit and/coupled en by-the-means-of [singular] Truth” (b). The definite article “the” isn’t necessary in front of “Spirit” or “Truth” because they are both [singular].  In many other places of the NT it’s similarly missing, but always refers to the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, respectively – see Promised Spirit and The Truth pages. It absolutely should not be translated as “in human spirit” and “in sincerity” as some bibles erroneously translate. Also translating the preposition en with words following in the dative case as “in Spirit” or “in Truth” as if it were the ‘dative of location’ ignores the more obvious choice of “by the means/instrument of” called the ‘dative of instrument’ that fits the meaning of the context:  it’s how people are going about worshipping God that Jesus is concerned, not where they do it at.  Wherever you can worship “by-the-means-of Spirit and by-the-means-of Truth” is perfect to God!  Thus by using “in” the translators make it very vague of what Jesus meant – another case of making the bible “mysterious” – see Bible Info<Notes> a) searching diligently in order to find, investigate, desire/crave, aim/strive after, b) John 4:23-24.

 

Religious people love to focus on WHERE they worship God, even on building altars and houses – see Conversational-Prayer – BT4.  It wasn’t God’s idea to even build the first Temple but King David’s and Nathan the priest okayed it without even going to God first (a).  The second Temple sure wasn’t God’s idea either – evil King Herod built it out of pure pride as he did everything in his rule!  The entire priesthood, scribes, and Pharisees made their lavish living from the Temple, not the mention the daily “marketplace” as a “den of robbers” that ‘feasted’ off the profits they could make right outside its door!  There were so many latreia liturgical-worship-services going on every day in the Temple, but that’s not the way Jesus viewed the Temple, but simply as “My bayith/oikos House (b) of tephillah/proseuche Prayer (c)” (d).  The focus is on “the dwelling place of God” but also where His family meets Him and one another.  And we know this prayer is a form of worship to Him.  How so?  By respectfully waiting for Him to speak by listening for Him and then to Him!  <Notes> a) 1 Chronicles 17:1, b) bayith:  a dwelling habitation, abode containing a family or household including servants; oikos: an inhabited house/building/place for dwelling/residence, the inmates forming a working-collective [demons] or family or household including servants, even representing a race of descendants, and only rarely of physical belongings, c) tephillah:  although it can simply refer to prayer in general, or the action of praying in general even as intercession, or can refer to liturgical prayer, it often refers to the attentive “giving of ear to” shama/akouo listening/hearing towards God during prayer or of God listening/hearing our prayers:  1 Kings 8:28, 38-39, 45, 49, 9:3; 2 Chronicles 6:19-20, 35, 39-40, 7:15; Psalms 17:1, 66:19-20, 86:6; Nehemiah 1:6, 11; Daniel 9:17– see also Conversational-Prayer – BT14 and – BT15, d) Matthew 21:13; Mark 11:17; Luke 19:46 citing Isaiah 56:7; proseuche: conversational-prayer that can include supplication – see Conversational-Prayer – BT10, but focuses instead on listening/hearing.

 

Isn’t it strange that although you find this practice of worshipful, thankful, patiently-waiting, watchful, listening, dialogue of proseuche conversational-prayer a dominant reason that started revivals and actually the dominant practice during revivals – and subsequent holiness throughout the area, you see very little of it in the modern Church today!  If there is any prayer, it’s a 5 minute ritualistic reciting of the ‘Lord’s Prayer’ as if it was something other than the model of how to pray that it actually is – and many Catholics still use the repetition of rosary beads, but in either case completely ignoring Christ’s warning to  “not-in-possibility babble repetitiously as the pagans do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words” per Matthew 6:7!

 

 

 

 

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Conversational Prayer – BT19

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Drawing-near, conversational-prayer should be a habit of devotion of relentlessly asking, seeking, and knocking for intimate-fellowship with God Himself

 

 

 

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All the NT words for the monologue of “asking, seeking, knocking” that indeed can occur within the dialogue of proseuche conversational-prayer in order to “receive, find, and have the door opened” – see Conversational-Prayer – BT10 – are all at least in the Greek present tense, meaning an ongoing action, but often we see a present participle form used to stress that it is to be a lifestyle, routine habit.  The “asking, seeking, knocking, drawing near” word meanings themselves all emphasize a “relentless begging, calling or crying out for, craving, striving after, and driven pursuit of.”  That is the “hungering and thirsting” that Jesus speaks so often of (a). There is so much spoken about “trusting-relying-faith in patience-endurance” or “steadfast-persistence” or “holding fast without wavering” to “inherit the promises” (b) throughout the NT – see Obedient Steps of Faith – BT16.  Meno “abiding in the Vine of Christ in order to produce much fruit” (c) means “to remain connected to or to dwell together with,” which implies a koinonia intimate-relationship with genuine, experiential, relational epignosis knowledge instead of gnosis head-knowledge. We’ve also already seen in Conversational-Prayer – BT3 the idea of being “devoted to proseuche conversational-prayer” to routinely experience the promised grace-gift of Spirit-Baptism. <Notes> a) Matthew 5:6; John 4:13-15, 6:35, 7:37, b) e.g., Hebrews 6:12-15, 10:23, 36, c) John 15:1-4.

 

Jesus is our example of this kind of devoted, routine proseuche conversational-prayer (a), whether early in the morning (b) or all night (c), whether often alone (d) or sometimes with others (e).  He even blessed little children this way (f)!  In Isaiah 50:4-7, God says He will give the future Messiah [Jesus] “a skilled, trained tongue in order to train (g) by sustaining a logos message to him who is weary.”  How? “Morning by morning He awakens…My ear to presently/ongoingly akouo hear/listen-to-understand/know, as those who are definitively/wholly prostithemi ‘trained as followers/disciples, joined toward-and-reaching the company of the one they follow’ . . . the Lord God has opened My ear and I was not rebellious – I did not turn backwards . . . the Lord God helps Me.” The “opening of our ears” is what we need to proseuche conversational-prayer for if we also want to be a disciple/follower of Christs! <Notes> a) Matthew 14:23, 26:35-36, 39, 42, 44; Mark 6:46, 14:32, 35, 39; Luke 3:21, 5:16, 9:18, 11:1, 22:41, 44-45, b) Mark 1:35, c) Luke 6:12, d) Luke 5:16; Matthew 14:23, e) Luke 9:28-29, f) Matthew 19:13, g) paideia:  gentle, simple children-rearing education – see Least Among You – BT11.

 

Jesus even gave us a model format of how to proseuchomai conversationally-pray – not a ritual recitation like so many babbling pagans who “think by their many words they will be heard” (a). The ‘Lord’s Prayer’ how-to model was simply:  humble adoration and worship, desperate asking/craving for God’s kingdom to come and will to be done, trusting-relying-faith in God for our physical needs for “your Father knows what you need before your aiteo subordinate-asking of Him,” trusting-relying-faith in God for the ability to forgive and then confessing this dependency, and trusting-relying-faith in God to withstand temptation/testing-to-prove-genuine and be delivered from the evil one’s works (b).  Pretty simple but religious people make it complicated or turn it into almost a meaningless ritual, the very thing Jesus warned about! <Notes> a) Ecclesiastes 5:2; Matthew 6:7-15, 32, Luke 11:1-13, b) Matthew 6:13, 26:41; Mark 14:38; Luke 11:4, 22:40, 46.

 

Jesus taught much about routine habitual proseuche conversational-prayer:  “Presently/ongoingly watch and/coupled routinely proseuchomai conversationally-pray at pas all-kinds-of times” (a).  Instead of “losing heart,” we “ought always to presently/ongoingly proseuchomai conversationally-pray” (b), giving many examples of steadfast-perseverance in proseuche conversational-prayer (c). Jesus even definitively/wholly proseuchomai conversationally-prayed 3 times (d) for His deliverance from His upcoming tribulations (e).  What we presently/ongoingly or definitively/wholly aiteo subordinately-ask in proseuche conversational-prayer for with trusting-relying-faith will then be received (f).  Instead of retaliating against abuse, we are to presently/ongoingly proseuchomai conversationally-pray for and show unconditional-love for “our enemies” (g) and even forgive them when routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying (h).  When we presently/ongoingly [passively being in] proseuche prayer this isn’t supposed to be for show but a “secret” conversation with God (i), not continually proseuchomai conversationally-praying like the Pharisee in the Temple that thanked God he wasn’t like other men, but like the tax collector standing far off, who looked down and beat his chest saying ‘Be merciful to me, a sinner” (j). <Notes> a) Luke 21:36, b) Luke 18:1, c) Luke 11:5-10, 18:1-8, d) possibly as a symbol of completeness, e) Matthew 26:44, f) Matthew 21:22; Mark 11:24, g) Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:28, h) Mark 11:25, i) Matthew 6:6 – this is the only occurrence of this middle/passive form, j) Luke 18:11, 14.

 

The only time Jesus got angry was when the Jewish religion had turned His “house of proseuche conversational-prayer into a “marketplace” even for dishonest business by robbers (a).  The last verse of the OT is a prophecy in Zechariah 14:21 about the future temple of God after the Lord returns: “And there shall no longer by a Canaanite in the house of Yahweh of host on that Day.” The Canaanites were the peddlers of religion that Jesus drove out 400 years later, possibly a partial fulfillment of this prophecy and certainly completely fulfilling Jeremiah 7:11!  <Notes> a) Matthew 21:13; Mark 11:17; Luke 18:10, 19:46 citing Jeremiah 7:11.

 

The early Christians were also devoted to this kind of routine proseuche conversational-prayer – that’s what they spent much of their time together doing in the ministry of the gospel logos message, not bible-study (a), and “devotion to the ministry/service of the gospel logos message was directly coupled to “devotion to proseuche conversational-prayer” because that’s how they heard from God what to say and do (b). The proseuche conversational-prayer even comes with visions (c) or angelic visitations (d) with supernatural deliverance (e) and healings (f). <Notes> a) Acts 1:14, 24 2:42, 3:1, 9:11, 12:12, 13:13, 14:23, 15:28, 16:16, 21:5, b) Acts 6:4, 6, c) Acts 10:9, 30, 11:5, 22:17, d) Acts 10:30, e) Acts 12:5, 16:25, f) Acts 9:40, 28:8.

 

This is how Christians received Spirit-baptism, even long after their water-baptism (a) – see also Conversational-Prayer – BT3.  This “routine proseuche conversational-praying by-the-means-of the Spirit (b)” and “routine proseuchomai conversationally-praying at pas all-kinds-of times by-the-means-of the Spirit with proseuche conversational-prayer and/coupled deesis supplication” (c) is how you are “to build yourself up in your most holy Trusting-Relying-Faith,” which in turn, was directly related to “tereo ‘watching/guarding to maintain/keep’ yourself in The Unconditional-Love of God” (d). <Notes> a) Acts 8:12-19, b) Jude 1:20, likely in tongues as in 1 Corinthians 14:14-15– see also The Grace-Gifts of Tongues & Interpretation and Conversational-Prayer – BT22, c) Ephesians 6:18, d) Jude 1:20-21.

 

Thus Paul strongly-urges: “I boulomai ‘resolutely plan’ then that in every place the men should presently/ongoingly proseuchomai conversationally-pray, lifting up holy hands” (a). Paul tells Christians to “be presently/ongoingly proskartereo persistently-relationally-devoted (b) to proseuche conversational-prayer and/coupled be routinely gregoreuo watching (c) in this with eucharistia thanksgiving” (d). Paul also strongly-urged Christians to “routinely be proskartereo persistently-relationally-devoted (b) in/by/with proseuche conversational-prayer” (e), and “presently/ongoingly be proseuchomai conversationally-praying without ceasing” and rarely stated “God’s will for us” to include this (f). <Notes> a) 1 Timothy 2:8, b) proskartereo: earnest, constant diligence, assiduous attendance, close adherence, c) gregoreuo: be alert, vigilant, cautious, d) Colossians 4:2, e) Romans 12:12, f) 1 Thessalonians 5:17-18.

 

Proseuche conversational-prayer is how Christians dealt with suffering (a), even anointing sick Christians and thus confidently-persisting in proseuche conversational-prayer for healing (b). The prayerful laying on of hands for healing (c) was also for blessing (d), for ordination (e), sending missionaries (f), and to open doors for the logos message (g). <Notes> a) James 5:13, b) James 5:14, 16, 17; Acts 28:8, c) Matthew 9:18; Mark 5:23, 6:5, 7:32, 8:23, 25, 16:18; Luke 4:40, 13:13; Acts 9:12, 17, 28:8, d) Acts 6:4, e) Acts 1:24, 14:23, f) Acts 9:40, 13:13, 20:36, 21:5, g) Colossians 4:3; 2 Thessalonians 3:1.

 

One night as I was asking the Lord, “Why do we need to relentlessly pursue You,” as I was drifting off, I heard Him tell me, “You must be like a little child to ‘see’ the kingdom of God.” I knew from all my studies about knowledge that eido mental ‘seeing’ perception/knowing is how the OT prophetsknew” God, and how the completely-different-in-kind New Covenant promises this for us ALL now, “from the least among you to the greatest” (a), since the so-called “last” shall be first, and the so-called “first” shall be last (b). Yes, the secrets of the kingdom will remain hidden from “the wise and learned” but revealed by the Spirit to little children (c). Jesus spoke so much about being like little children and absolutely not desiring to be arche ‘firsts’ or megas big, ‘head honchos’ with authority over others. To be great in God’s kingdom we must be like slaves that only take orders from others, servants like Jesus (d). The OT was all about a hierarchy of leadership and teachers from “the greatest to the least,” but now God has done away with ALL of that, actually turning it upside down – see Coaches and Facilitators and Least Among You.  <Notes> a) Jeremiah 31:34, b) Matthew 19:30, 20:16; Mark 9:35, 10:31; Luke 13:30, c) Matthew 11:25, 13:11; Luke 8:10, 10:21, d) Matthew 20:25-28; Mark 10:42-45; Luke 22:25-27.

 

So, I asked the Lord, “Why a little child?” Then the Lord showed me a little child pulling relentlessly on their parent’s clothes, persistently calling out UNTIL their request was granted. Then the Lord said, “That’s what I meant when I said, ‘If you, not being ‘good,’ give grace-gifts to your children, how much more will your Heavenly Father, who is ‘Good,’ give you the Holy Spirit (a) to those who routinely aiteo subordinately-ask Him?” (b). Then I understood, this is the WAY to routinely proseuchomai conversationally-pray “for Thy Kingdom to come, Thy will to be done on earth as it is already in heaven” (c). This is the WAY to “routinely zeteo diligently-seek the Kingdom of God first” (d) – relentlessly like a little child just as with trusting-relying-faith – see Obedient Steps of Faith – BT16. <Notes> a) or ‘good grace-gifts’ in Matthew 7:11, b) Luke 11:13 and parallel Matthew 7:11, c) Luke 11:2; Matthew 6:10, d) Matthew 6:33.

 

Our NT English bibles use the word “devotion” 15 positive times and 5 negative times for:  2 times for devotion to Christ (a), 2 times for God versus negatively money and the things it can buy (b), 4 times to proseuche conversational-prayer (c), only 1 time to the Apostle’s teaching (d), only 1 time to the public reading (e), only 1 time to the ministry of the gospel logos message (f), only 1 time to the koinonia fellowship (g), only 1 time to ministry/service of the saints (h), only 1 time to the breaking of bread (i) (j), 2 times to good works that Christians were to devote themselves to be beneficially fruitful to others, especially those in urgent need (k), but 1 time negatively of devotion to Jewish myths and endless genealogies (l) or 1 time prosecho giving heed to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons (m) or 1 time paraphero being-carried-away to diverse and strange teachings concerning special foods (n). From this we can see 4 references to God or Christ and 4 times to conversational-prayer, eclipsing all other positive uses combined!  <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 7:35; 2 Corinthians 11:3, b) Matthew 6:24; Luke 16:13, c) Acts 1:14, 2:42, 6:4; 1 Corinthians 7:5, d) Acts 2:42, e) 1 Timothy 4:13 – “of scripture” is erroneously inserted into the text in many bibles, but the context is that of Paul’s own writings to this new pastor-in-training, and only until Paul returned to return his training of Timothy and/or personal preaching – see Logos Word of God – BT10, f) Acts 6:4, g) Acts 2:42, h) 1 Corinthians 16:15, i) love feast and Lord’s supper, j) Acts 2:42, k) Titus 3:8, 14, l) 1 Timothy 1:4, m) 1 Timothy 4:1, n) Hebrews 13:9.

 

Add to this Christ’s and Paul’s strong urgent calls: “They ought always to proseuchomai conversationally-pray and/coupled not lose heart” (a) and “Stay alert at all times, proseuchomai conversationally-praying” (b) and His teaching on persistently asking, seeking, and knocking until God answers (c).  We’ve already seen above the many strong urgent calls by Paul for that devotion of prayer in: 1 Timothy 2:8, Ephesians 6:18, Colossians 4:2, Romans 12:12, and 1 Thessalonians 5:17-18.  <Notes> a) Luke 18:1, b) Luke 21:36, c) Matthew 7:7-8; Luke 11:9-10.

 

It’s just so sad to see the modern day Church so devoted to just about everything else other than actual, genuine, experiential, relational epignosis knowledge of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, for Jesus said in John 17:3 that this alone is zoe genuine-life everlasting, by being devoted to patiently-waiting, watching, listening, worshipful, conversational-prayer.

 

 

 

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Proseuche conversational-prayer requires watchfulness for “Blessed is the one who eisakouo ‘hears/listens-to-understand/know toward-and-reaching-the-goal-of’ Me, shaqad wakefully-watching or phulasso ‘personally watch with uninterrupted vigilance to keep secure’ daily [for Me] at My gates, shamar keeping-watch beside My doors [for Me]” (a). Passover was to be “a night of watching kept to Yahweh” (b). The psalmists says: “I remember You upon my bed, and meditate on You in the watches of the night” (c), and “My soul waits for Yahweh more than watchmen [on Jerusalem’s walls] for the morning” (d). <Notes> a) Proverbs 8:34, b) Exodus 12:42, c) Psalms 63:6, d) Psalms 130:5-6.

 

Concerning end times, Jesus also said to “presently/ongoingly agrupneo sleeplessly-watch, routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying at all times that you may have strength to escape these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of man” (a). Similarly, Peter warns: “The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and/coupled nephosober-minded, temperate, calm, collected’ eis ‘towards and reaching the goal of’ proseuche conversational-prayer” (b). Also, Jude says to “definitively/wholly tereo ‘carefully watch/observe to safely-guard, care-for/attend-to, firmly-hold/stand-in/maintain-a-present-state yourself in The Unconditional-Love of God, routinely prosdechomai ‘expectantly waiting to interactively welcome’ the [coming] mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that brings zoe genuine-life everlasting” (c). <Notes> a) Luke 21:36, b) 1 Peter 4:7, c) Jude 1:21.

 

I don’t think it’s coincidence that the Lord chose the Greek word tereo, from teros ‘a guard or watch,’ thus meaning to “carefully-watch, guard, attend-to to maintain/keep” in His ‘Great Commission’ for His apostles to make disciples in Matthew 28:20, “teaching them to tereo ‘carefully-watch, guard, attend-to in order in order to maintain/keep’ all that I have entellomai ‘officially-decreed commanded as universally-binding’,” especially knowing that Jesus gave only 2 commandments of trusting-relying-faith in Him and unconditionally-loving others combined into 1 given by God (a) – see Logos Word of God – BT14. This isn’t trying to “guard to maintain” 5000-plus commandments as I’ve seen some crazy websites say Christians have to be burdened with!  That’s religion for you! <Notes> a) 1 John 3:23.

 

It’s also very sad that so many bibles narrowly translate tereo as only “to observe, keep, or obey,” as if that’s what Jesus is focusing on in Matthew 28:20, though it certainly can have this force elsewhere as with:  “If you [really] unconditionally-love Me, you will tereo ‘observe, keep, or obey’ My commandments” (a) and “If you tereo ‘observe, keep, or obey’ My commandments, you will meno ‘remain connected to or dwell in’ My unconditional-love, just as I have tereo ‘observe, keep, or obey’ My Father’s commandments and meno ‘remain connected to or dwell in’ His unconditional-love” (b) and the proof of “coming to actually experientially, relationally ginosko know is tereo ‘observe, keep, or obey’ His commandments” (c). <Notes> a) John 14:15, b) John 15:10, c) 1 John 2:3.

 

However, the general meaning of every use of tereo is always “carefully watch/observe to safely-guard, care-for/attend-to, firmly-hold/stand-in/maintain-a-present-state” as in Christ’s proseuchomai conversationally-praying for God “to tereo them (Christians) safe from the evil one” (a), or of “jailers to guard others securely” (b), or of “staying within your own place of residence” (c), or “to maintain” (d) as with “The Trusting-Relying-Faith” (e) or our “place in heaven” (f). I could go on, but you get the idea of Jude 1:21 above – “definitively/wholly tereo ‘carefully watch/observe to safely-guard, care-for/attend-to, firmly-hold/stand-in/maintain-a-present-state yourself in The Unconditional-Love of God, routinely prosdechomai ‘expectantly waiting to interactively welcome’ the [coming] mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that brings zoe genuine-life everlasting” <Notes> a) John 17:15, b) Acts 16:23, 24:23, 25:4, 21; Matthew 27:36, 28:4, c) Jude 1:6, d) Ephesians 4:3, e) 2 Timothy 4:7, f) 1 Peter 1:4.

 

Watchful proseuche conversational-prayer is a great way to fix our eyes on Jesus! Paul warns Jewish-Christians in 2 Corinthians 3:7-18 that if they even read the Law of Moses (a), like Jews who atenizo ‘fixed their eyes on or gazing at’ Moses’ face that shown from directly meeting God, than now Jewish-Christians reading Moses will have their hearts be hardened just like the Jews’ were. Metamorphoo ‘metamorphic transformation’ (b) instead comes from kataoptanomai ‘fixing that eyes on or gazing with wide-open eyes [in amazement] as looking in a mirror’ the glory of the Lord [Jesus], who is the Spirit,” not by reading the old covenant of Moses!  Hebrews 12:2 says we should be aphorao ‘turning the eyes away from something toward fixing the eyes on another to observe, perceive-know, or discern it’ eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our trusting-relying-faith.” This is where our focused-gaze should be, not on ancient biblical writings, and so watchful proseuche conversational-prayer is a great way to practice this! <Notes> a) technically the first 5 books of the OT, but 97.4% of the OT contains the conditions of obedience for God’s conditional-favor – see Logos Word of God – BT5a, b) Romans 12:2 – it’s highly questionable that Paul meant for “the renewing of the mind” by having your head buried in the bible, and certainly NOT the OT graphe scripture.  Paul’s writings consistently speak of the Holy Spirit renewing the mind through genuine, experiential, relational epignosis knowledge through koinonia intimate-fellowship, not be acquiring gnosis informational-knowledge from books!

 

Paul said “I don’t run aimlessly” (a), but “aim to please Him” (b), “to please the one who enlisted me” (c), for “my aim in life” (d) is the same “the aim of our charge is unconditional-love that issues from an unmixed heart and a good conscience and a sincere trusting-relying-faith” (e), for “I decided to know in-possibility-NO thing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified” (f), for “the life I now live in the flesh I live by trusting-relying-faith in the Son of God, who unconditionally-loved me and gave Himself for me” (g), for “I count everything [h] as a loss liability (i) because of the surpassing worth of the gnosis informational-knowledge (j) of/belonging-to Christ” (k). Certainly this how we can skopeo ‘attentively observe/watch, contemplate, or take heed with scrutiny’ of heaven in order to “not lose heart” (l). <Notes> a) 1 Corinthians 9:26, b) 2 Corinthians 5:9, c) 2 Timothy 2:4, d) 2 Timothy 3:10, e) 1 Timothy 1:5, f) 1 Corinthians 2:2, g) Galatians 2:20, h) All that Paul had before in the Jewish religion, including expert scripture gnosis informational-knowledge, i) as garbage laced with feces, j) a rare occasion when Paul non-derogatorily speaks of gnosis, k) Philippians 3:8, l) 2 Corinthians 4:16-18.

 

 

 

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Drawing-near, conversational-prayer is when we vigilantly-watch for answers from God

 

 

 

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Proseuche conversational-prayer that perserchomai draws near to the Lord is where we watch for the Lord for the answer, just like watchmen (a) on the walls of Jerusalem or the temple (b) during the “watches of the night” (c), and watching the gates into the city (d), looking intensely for enemies approaching (e).  All the people were also to “watch Moses until he had gone into the tent” where the Lord met face-to-face with Moses (f). Passover was to be “a night of watching kept to the Lord” (g).  It is also speaks of the shepherd keeping watch over their flocks at night to keep them safe from wolves (h), or as the Church’s shepherds that should keep watch over their flock’s souls (i).  <Notes> a) 1 Samuel 14:16; 2 Samuel 18:24-27; 2 Kings 9:17-20, b) 2 Kings 11:18; 1 Chronicles 9:27; 2 Chronicles 23:18; Isaiah 62:6; Jeremiah 6:17, c) Matthew 14:24; Mark 6:48; Luke 12:38, d) Nehemiah 11:19, e) 2 Samuel 13:34, f) Exodus 33:8, g) Exodus 12:42, h) Luke 2:8, i) Hebrews 13:17.

 

Ezekiel was a type of Christ, a “Son of Man” Watchman giving warning to His people (a).  Likewise Daniel talks of “a Watcher, a Holy One, coming down-from/according-to heaven” (b).  So the psalmist says: “Unless the Lord watches over the city, the watchman stays awake [against possibility of invasion] in vain” (c).  God told Solomon who to watch for:  “Blessed is the one who shama/eisakouo ‘deeply/intentionally listens/hears-to-understand/know toward-and-reaching-the-goal-of’ Me, watching daily at My gates, waiting beside My doors” (d).  The psalmist understands:  “I remember You upon my bed, and meditate on You in the watches of the night” (e), and “My eyes are awake before the watches of the night, that I may meditate on Your promise” (f).  Isaiah speaks not only of their religion’s blindness but of the time of Christ when the bible-study expert scribes, Pharisees, and Sadducees would also be blind watchmen:  “God’s watchmen are blind; they are all without experiential, relational yada/ginosko knowing” (g). <Notes> a) Ezekiel 3:17, 33:7, b) Daniel 4:13, c) Psalms 127:1, d) Proverbs 8:34, e) Psalms 63:6, f) Psalms 119:148, g) Isaiah 56:10, cf. Matthew 15:14, 23:16-19, 24, 26; Luke 6:39; John 9:40-41, 12:40; but God’s intention is Romans 2:19.

 

Jesus often strongly urged His disciples to horao ‘watch, be alert, be attentive’ or gregoreo ‘vigilantly watch’ or prosecho ‘set and hold a course toward’ (a), especially gregoreo ‘vigilantly watching’ in proseuche conversational-prayer (b) but especially to keep from falling into peirasmos ‘testing/trying-to-prove-genuineness or temptation’ (c).  Jesus “diastello ‘sent through division by expressly charging’ His disciples, routinely saying, ‘[I strongly urge you to] presently/ongoingly horao ‘watch, be alert, be attentive’!  [I strongly urge you to] blepo ‘physically see or be watchfully observant’ of the leaven of the Pharisees and/coupled/also of the leaven of Herod” (d). <Notes> a) Matthew 16:6, 25:13; Mark 8:15; Luke 21:34, b) Matthew 26:38, 40; Mark 14:34, 37, c) Matthew 26:41; Mark 14:38, d) Mark 8:15.

 

Paul told Christians to skopeo ‘attentively observe/watch, contemplate, or take heed with scrutiny’ for the false teachers who often cause divisions (a), blepo ‘physically seeing or being watchfully observant’ that divisions among them don’t consume one another (b), but instead “gregoreo ‘vigilantly watch’ that you stand firm in The Trusting-Relying-Faith (c).  In helping to gently restore a brother from sin, Paul advised “routinely being skopeo ‘attentively observant/watchful by contemplating or taking heed with scrutiny’ lest you also be peirasmos ‘tested/tried-to-prove-genuineness or tempted’ (d).  He strongly-urged Timothy, his pastor-in-training, “to presently/ongoingly epecho ‘attentively hold forth to observe’ himself and his teaching (e), but also strongly-urges Christians to “be presently/ongoingly proskartereo persistently-relationally-devoted [in/by/with] proseuche conversational-prayer, routinely gregoreo ‘vigilantly watching’ in this in/by/with eucharistia thanksgiving” (f) – shouldn’t that be reason enough to make it a habit? <Notes> a) Romans 16:17, cf. Titus 3:10; Jude 1:19, b) Galatians 5:15, c) 1 Corinthians 16:13, d) Galatians 6:1, e) 1 Timothy 4:16, f) Colossians 4:2.

 

1 Peter 5:8 says: “[I strongly urge you to] definitively/wholly be sober-minded.  [I strongly urge you to] definitively/wholly gregoreo ‘vigilantly watching,’ for the adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.” 2 John 1:8 warns Christians to “[I strongly urge you to] presently/ongoingly blepo ‘physically see or be watchfully observant of’ yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward.”

 

But in order to ‘see’ God’s answer we find in the desires and prayers of Jesus, Paul, and the other NT writers that we must humbly realize that we are blind and deaf, despite all our human efforts to acquire “wisdom and understanding” as the zealous Jewish bible-students failed at, and to realize we also need Jesus’s prayers to “open our eyes and ears wide” by the enabling-power of the Holy Spirit, so we can also:  1) recognize Jesus for who He really is and not miss Him, 2) be healed of our spiritual blindness and deafness, and even possibly from our own physical illnesses, 3) be able to have “eyes and ears wide open” to receive “wisdom and revelations” through visions, dreams, and directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words of prophecy from God directly by His Spirit to directly guide and teach us every single thing we need for life, godliness, and ministry.  This isn’t just for the prophets and apostles, but for us NOW in order to also experientially, relationally ginosko know the Lord, 4) especially to understand the secrets of the kingdom as true disciple-followers instead of only getting parables as the masses did, 5) to have the ability to turn from the darkness of sin to the light of sanctification/holiness, 6) to be equipped to naturally evangelize instead of forced out of obligation, and 7) be empowered in other ways to serve the Lord.

 

 

 

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In the Old Testament:

 

“Waiting upon the Lord” was a common Jewish idiom for patiently-waiting through difficulties in proseuche conversational-prayer that came with great promises:

 

In Genesis 49:18 Jacob gathers his sons together before his death to prophesy about their future as the 12 tribes of Israel:  “I have already ‘actively/intensively’ and ‘intend to presently/ongoingly’ (a) qavah/perimeno ‘wait/linger with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ (b) for your soteria/yeshuah ‘salvation, deliverance, or victory,’ Yahweh.”  This is a Hebrew idiom for diligently staying connected to the Vine of Christ, Yeshua, our Savior and Salvation (c).  That’s a key reason to pray! <Notes> a) Hebrew Piel:  intensive, intentional, or repeated, extended actions;  Hebrew Perfect:  completed action of the past may be continued into the present = looked eagerly for, lie in wait for, linger or tarry for; Greek:  Present Active Indicative for present/ongoing, active, actual action, b) Hebrew qavah:  wait for, originally binding [twisting or stretching] strands into a cord or rope for strength like spider’s threads or web, then later of the tension of enduring, remaining, waiting; Greek perimenoperi all-around as an intensifier + meno ‘abide, remain, cohabitate,’ thus steadiness regardless of the obstacles involved, to endure by putting up with surrounding difficulties, used also in the NT only in Acts 1:4 for waiting for the promise of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, c) John 15:4-5; Philippians 3:20; 1 Timothy 1:1; 2 Timothy 1:10, 2:10, 3:15; 1 Thessalonians 5:9; Titus 1:4, 2:13, 3:6; 2 Peter 1:1, 11, 2:20, 3:18; Jude 1:25; Revelation 12:10.

 

In Isaiah 33:2, he prophesies:  “Yahweh, be chanan/eleeo ‘gracious or merciful according to covenant’ to us; for (a) we have already ‘actively/intensively’ and ‘intend to presently/ongoingly’ qavah/peitho ‘wait/linger with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ (b) for/resting-upon (c) You.”  So the Hebrew separates the 2 phrases:  1) a request to be merciful, and 2) they have and will repeat their patient-waiting for Yahweh, presumably to show this mercy.  The Greek connects the 2 phrases:  They plead for mercy because of the ongoing effect of them already having been patiently-waiting on God keeping His covenant promise to delivery them from their enemies, putting their ‘rest’ upon Yahweh.  Can you see why building doctrine on bible verses can be very difficult – see Bible Info.  Isaiah continues:  “Be our arm every morning, our soteria/yeshuah ‘salvation, deliverance, victory’ in the time of trouble.”  The “outstretched arm of God” is associated with God’s “might hand by signs and wonders, war, and great terrors as God did for you in Egypt” (d), “everlasting arms . . . driving out the enemy before you” (e), “scattering your God’s enemies with His might arm” (f), and many other verses.  In prayer, we patiently-wait by resting upon the Lord to keep His covenant promise to save us from our enemies – Satan, his demons, and his angels (g) – “by His own mighty Spirit,” not by our “might and power.” <Notes> a) The Greek use gar to introduce a reason for the previous statement, b) Hebrew qavah is Piel Perfect as notes ‘a’ and ‘b’ explain; Greek peitho: to be confidently persuaded of what is trustworthy” in the Perfect Active Indicative for past action with ongoing results, active, actual action, c) Greek with dative following: epi resting at/on/upon, d) Deuteronomy 4:34, e) Deuteronomy 33:27, f) Psalms 89:10, g) Ephesians 6:12.

 

In Proverbs 20:22, the writer advises: “[I strongly urge you to] Do not say, ‘I will repay evil’; but-instead (a) [I strongly urge you to] ‘actively/intensively’ with ‘intention to presently/ongoingly’ or ‘definitively/wholly’ (b) qavah ‘wait/linger with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ (c) or hupomeno ‘remain/tarry behind subordinately-under the load/tensions of troubles, thus to patiently-endure’ (d)  for/on (e) Yahweh and He will yasha ‘deliver, liberate, save from perils/troubles/evils’ or boetheo ‘run-to-quickly-meet an urgent distress-call-cry for help’ You.”  As Christians we are to patiently-endure evil done against us, by people and the spiritual forces of darkness behind them (f), by patiently-waiting upon the Lord to deal with the evil, knowing that He is not slow but actually running quickly to answer our cries for help, and that He indeed will “deliver us from the evil one,” just as we routinely pray (g), especially since Jesus “gave Himself for our sins to deliver us from this present evil age” (h). <Notes> a) Greek inserts “but-instead,” b) Hebrew Piel:  intensive, intentional, or repeated, extended actions; Greek uses Aorist tense to definitive/wholly accomplish, c) Hebrew qavah:  wait for, originally binding [twisting or stretching] strands into a cord or rope for strength like spider’s threads or web, then later of the tension of enduring, remaining, waiting, d) Greek hupomenohupo:  under, often under authority as a subordinate + meno:  abide, cohabitate, remain, continue = remain under the load/tension, bearing/enduring under; to remain or stay or tarry behind, thus not recede or flee but preserve or have fortitude under misfortunes, trials, tribulations; to cleave faithfully or wait for the Lord, to endure or bear bravely and calmly/patiently ill-treatment, e) 35 of 51 bibles translate “for” and only 12 of 51 translate “on,” f) Ephesians 6:12, g) Matthew 6:13, h) Galatians 1:4.

 

In Isaiah 8:17, he says: “And/But I have already ‘actively/intensively’ and ‘intend to presently/ongoingly’ (a) chakah ‘wait, tarry, long for’ (b) or ‘I will actively, actually, sometime in the future’ meno ‘abide, remain, tarry’ (c) for Yahweh, who is hiding His face from the house of Jacob, and I will hope in Him.”  Their rebellion against God brought them into harms way by their enemies.  When they turned their back on God they no longer had His face of blessing facing them, but this didn’t deter Isaiah from seeking God’s face.  Despite what looked like a hopeless situation where he couldn’t put his “hope in” them, he could still put his “hope in” Yawheh and this is by aggressive intention to continue longing for Yahweh while waiting for Yawheh.  The Hebrew versus the Greek seems to make more sense, because I doubt Isaiah is a “I will get around to it sort of guy” but a “I’ve been doing this and will repeat the action, determined sort of guy.”  We can learn from this prophet’s determination in the midst of troubles! <Notes> a) Hebrew Piel:  intensive, intentional, or repeated, extended actions;  Hebrew Perfect:  completed action of the past may be continued into the present = looked eagerly for, lie in wait for, linger or tarry for; Greek:  Present Active Indicative for present/ongoing, active, actual action, b) Hebrew chakah:  in Piel wait, tarry, long for as here and Isaiah 64:3, Zephaniah 3:8, Psalms 33:20, even for counsel: Psalms 106:13, even for a visions: Habakkuk 2:3, c) Greek Future Active Indicative.

 

In Isaiah 25:9 the prophet says of the coming eternal life by the Messiah when death is swallowed up:  “It will be said on that day, ‘Behold, this is our God; we have qavah have already ‘actively/intensively’ and ‘intend to presently/ongoingly’ (a) ‘wait/linger with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ (b) or eplizo ‘continually-hoped’ for Him that He might yasha/sozo save us.  This is Yahweh; we have already ‘actively/intensively’ and ‘intend to presently/ongoingly’ (a) qavah ‘wait/linger with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ (d) or hupomeno ‘continually (c) remain/tarry behind subordinately-under the load/tensions of troubles, thus to patiently-endure’ (e) for Him; let us be glad and rejoice in His salvation.” This is speaking of a future kingdom where all peoples will worship Him, all tears wiped away, and the reproach of His people taken away from ALL the earth – a massive persecution against Jews & Christians is coming! Similarly Isaiah 49:23 says: “Kings . . . queens [of nations] . . . with their faces to the ground they shall bow down to you [Israel in the future Millenial kingdom] and lick the dust of your feet.  Then you will experientially, relationally yada/ginosko know that I AM Yahweh; those who continually qavah ‘wait/linger with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ or routinely hupomeno ‘remain/tarry behind subordinately-under the load/tensions of troubles, thus to patiently-endure’ for Me shall not be put to shame.”

 

<Notes> a) Hebrew Piel:  intensive, intentional, or repeated, extended actions;  Hebrew Perfect:  completed action of the past may be continued into the present = looked eagerly for, lie in wait for, linger or tarry for; Greek:  Present Active Indicative for present/ongoing, active, actual action, b) Hebrew qavah: wait for, originally binding [twisting or stretching] strands into a cord or rope for strength like spider’s threads or web, then later of the tension of enduring, remaining, waiting, c) rare Greek imperfect tense for continued action, d) Hebrew qavah:  wait for, originally binding [twisting or stretching] strands into a cord or rope for strength like spider’s threads or web, then later of the tension of enduring, remaining, waiting, e) Greek hupomenohupo:  under, often under authority as a subordinate + meno:  abide, cohabitate, remain, continue = remain under the load/tension, bearing/enduring under; to remain or stay or tarry behind, thus not recede or flee but preserve or have fortitude under misfortunes, trials, tribulations; to cleave faithfully or wait for the Lord, to endure or bear bravely and calmly/patiently ill-treatment.

 

Without getting into all the nitty-gritty grammar, here are more OT usages:

 

Isaiah 26:8 says “in the path of your mishpat/krisis equitable-judgments, Yahweh, we have already ‘actively/intensively’ and ‘intend to presently/ongoingly’ qavah ‘wait/linger with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ or definitively/wholly eplizo hoped for or on/upon Him for You; your name and remembrance are the desire of our soul.”  Isaiah 30:18 says: “For Yahweh is a God of justice; blessed are all those who simply are continually chakah ‘wait, tarry, long for’ or routinely emmeno ‘in a state of steadfastly abiding-in/remaining-with/living-by’ for Him.”  Yes, if we remain connected to the Vine of Christ bears much yummy fruit per John 15:5.  Wow is Isaiah 40:31 encouraging:  “He gives power to the faint, and to him who has no might he increases strength . . . but they who continually qavah ‘wait/linger with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ or routinely hupomeno ‘remain/tarry behind subordinately-under the load/tensions of troubles, thus to patiently-endure’ for Yahweh shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings like eagles; they shall run and not be weary; they shall walk and not faint.”

 

In Lamentations 3:22-27 “The steadfast checed/eleos ‘covenant-loyal loving-mercy’ of Yahweh never ceases; His mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is Your faithfulness. ‘Yahweh is my portion,’ says my soul, ‘therefore I shall indeed yachal expectantly-waiting-in-hope in Him.’  Yahweh is towb ‘pleasantly good’ or agathos ‘pleasantly good-natured’ to those who continually qavah ‘wait/linger with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ or presently/ongoingly hupomeno ‘remain/tarry behind subordinately-under the load/tensions of troubles, thus to patiently-endure’ for Him, to the soul who shall actually zeteo diligently-seeks (b) Him.  It is towb ‘pleasantly good’ or agathos ‘pleasantly good-natured’ that [a person] be yachal expectantly-waiting-in-hope or should be hupomeno ‘remain/tarry behind subordinately-under the load/tensions of troubles, thus to patiently-endure’ duwmam waiting-quietly-in-silence or definitively/wholly hesuchazo ‘rest-cease from labor, even silently as here’ for the teshuah/soterian deliverance/salvation of Yahweh.” <Notes> a) agathos: “good-natured, pleasantly joyful, excellent or distinguished and thus useful, upright, or honorable,” b) frequently pursue, diligently search, crave, and worship.

 

Micah 7:7 commits: “But as for me, I shall indeed tsaphah/epiblepo ‘turn the eyes of a gaze upon’ Yahweh; I will repetitively yachal expectantly-waiting-in-hope or shall indeed hupomeno ‘remain/tarry behind subordinately-under the load/tensions of troubles, thus to patiently-endure’ for God, my yesha/soter Savior; my God will shama/eisakouo hear-unto me.”  God says in Exodus 24:12 to Moses:  “Come up to Me on the mountain and ‘repeatedly hayah be’ or ‘presently/ongoingly eimi be-present/exist’ there” also the ESV translates this as “wait there” and the NET translates “remain there.”  I really don’t appreciate them translating this as if it were other Hebrew and Greek words.  This is a common problem in bible translations – see Bible Info.

 

Now the Psalms speak of patiently-waiting with endurance for God the most!  In Psalms 27:14 [I strongly urge you to] qavah ‘actively/intensively wait/linger with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ or definitively/wholly hupomeno ‘remain/tarry behind subordinately-under the load/tensions of troubles, thus to patiently-endure’ for Yahweh; be strong, and let your heart take courage; [I strongly urge you to] qavah ‘actively/intensively wait/linger with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ or definitively/wholly hupomeno ‘remain/tarry behind subordinately-under the load/tensions of troubles, thus to patiently-endure’ for YahwehAgain in Psalms 31:24, “Be strong, and let your heart take courage, all you who are continually yachal expectantly-waiting-in-hope or routinely elpizo expectantly-waiting-in-hope for Yahweh! In Psalms 33:20 “Our soul have already ‘actively/intensively’ and ‘intend to presently/ongoingly’ chakah ‘wait, tarry, long for’ or presently/ongoingly hupomeno ‘remain/tarry behind subordinately-under the load/tensions of troubles, thus to patiently-endure’ for Yahweh; He is our help and our shield.

 

Psalms continues with keys to effective prayer.  In Psalms 37:5-9, “Commit (a) your way (b) to Yahweh; trust in Him, and He will act/make-to-do [in your behalf] . . . Be still-and-silent or definitively/wholly submit-by-falling-in-line (c) before Yahweh and/coupled chuwl wait-longingly or yachal expectantly-waiting-in-hope (d) or hikanoo ‘reach the place of sufficiently qualified’ for Him; fret not yourself over the one who prospers in his way, over the man who carries out evil devices” and promises: “Those who are routinely qavah ‘waiting/lingering with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ or routinely hupomeno ‘remain/tarry behind subordinately-under the load/tensions of troubles, thus to patiently-endure’ for Yahweh shall inherit the land.”  This being-still before the Lord is also found in Psalms 46:10 that was dissected in Conversational-Prayer – BT13. There it says:  “[I strongly urge you to] definitively/wholly become [passive] still (e) kai and/coupled definitively/wholly become [passive] experientially, relationally yada/ginosko knowing that I am God.”  Because yada/ginosko knowledge requires a 2-way relationship, we can become passively still forever without any results whatsoever.  Also we can actively try to relationally know God until we are blue in the face without any results – world religions have been trying forever and are no closer to God.  However, yada/ginosko is also passive, and so it implies that both becoming still and/coupled having a relationship with God are something we have to having trusting-relying-faith in God for.  If we do “passively-wait for Him” while “also passively being still” we stand a good change of actually being in a yada/ginosko relationship with God.  The context bears this out:  stop running around with your head cut off about the cares of this world and instead stop, shut up, and just patiently-wait for the Lord to create an amazing relationship WITH you that will save you from your worse fears and cares.

 

<Notes> a) roll off your burdens/cares onto His back, b) well-trodden course, c) Hebrew damam:  Qal form means to be/grow stupefied, astounded, dumb, silent, still – so both motion & speech or Greek hupotasso:  voluntarily yield, or fall in line behind a commander, d) normally the Hithpoel form in the participle means whirling as in whirlwind tempest per Jeremiah 23:19, 30:23.  The NET Bible says there was a dittography error and that the text should be the Hiphel form of yachal expectantly-waiting-in-hope.  Thus the Greek hikanoo is an odd fit too that bibles translate entreat for some odd reason. Bible translation is fraught with difficulties – see Bible Info, e) raphah, scholazo: take a vacation from your work, relax, rest, quiet yourself

 

So Psalms continues to encourage us:  In Psalms 37:34 “[I strongly urge you to] qavah ‘actively/intensively wait/linger with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ or definitively/wholly hupomeno ‘remain/tarry behind subordinately-under the load/tensions of troubles, thus to patiently-endure’ for Yahweh and keep His way, and He will exalt you to inherit the land; you will look on when the wicked are cut off.”  In Psalms 38:15, “But for You, Yahweh, do I have already ‘actively/intensively’ and ‘intend to presently/ongoingly’ yachal expectantly-wait-in-hope or definitively/wholly elpizo expectantly-wait-hope; it is you, O Lord my God, who will answer.”  In Psalms 39:7 “And now, O Lord, for what do I have already ‘actively/intensivily’ and ‘intend to presently/ongoingly’ qavah ‘wait/linger with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ or hupomone patient-endurance?  My towcheleth/hupostasis (a) covenant-entitled-hope is in You. In Psalms 40:1, “I have already ‘actively/intensively’ and ‘intend to presently/ongoingly’ qavah ‘wait/linger with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ or routinely hupomeno hupomeno ‘remain/tarry behind subordinately-under the load/tensions of troubles, thus to patiently-endure’ for Yahweh; He inclined to me and heard my cry. Finally in Psalms 130:5-6, I have already ‘actively/intensively’ and ‘intend to presently/ongoingly’ qavah ‘wait/linger with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ or definitively/wholly hupomeno ‘remain/tarry behind subordinately-under the load/tensions of troubles, thus to patiently-endure’ for Yahweh; my soul has already ‘actively/intensively’ and ‘intends to presently/ongoingly’ qavah ‘wait/linger with endurance despite the tension of difficulties’ or definitively/wholly hupomeno ‘remain/tarry behind subordinately-under the load/tensions of troubles, thus to patiently-endure’ and/couple in his dabar speech/saying or logos message  I yachal expectantly-waiting-in-hope; my soul waits (no Hebrew) or elpizo expectantly-wait-in-hope for the Lord/Master more than watchmen for the morning, more than watchmen for the morning.  Looks like words got dropped – see Bible Info for many more problems. <Notes> a) Greek hupostasis: ‘standing under’ a guaranteed agreement, a title-deed or legal claim to precious promises or property, thus entitling someone to what is guaranteed under the particular agreement.

 

The New Testament also speaks of waiting:

  

 

Jesus told the disciples to “not chorizo depart from Jerusalem, but to presently/ongoingly perimenowait by remaining all around’ (a) for The Promise of the Father, … to be baptized by the Holy Spirit” (b).  How did they obey the Lord? “They were all in one accord devoting themselves to proseuche conversational-prayer (c).  They should be a real clue for us, but it’s amazing how few churches do this.  <Notes> a) perimeno only used here in the NT: peri all-around or as an intensifier + meno ‘abide, remain, cohabitate,’ thus to remain steady regardless of the obstacles involved, to endure by putting up with surrounding difficulties; used in Genesis 49:18 above in LXX for waiting for salvation, b) Acts 1:4-5, c) Acts 1:13-14.

 

Another Greek word used for waiting in prayer is apekdechomai (a): Paul says in Romans 8:23-25 that  “we ourselves, who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we are routinely apekdechomai decisively-welcoming [our] divine-adoption as sons . . . But if we hope for what we do not see, we presently/ongoingly apekdechomai decisively-welcome [it] with hupomone patience-endurance.”  Paul is referring to our glorification at Christ’s coming, called “the blessed hope” (b).  Paul says in Galatians 5:5, “For through the Spirit, by trusting-relying-faith, we ourselves presently/ongoingly are apekdechomai decisively-welcoming the hope of righteousness.”  Having Christ’s righteousness is our only hope!  Paul want for these Christians in 1 Corinthians 1:7 to “not be lacking in any grace-gift, as you routinely are apekdechomai decisively-welcoming the coming-revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ.”  The Spirit’s grace-gifts are super important even if so many churches are ignorant of them, contrary to Paul’s strong-desire-intention in 1 Corinthians 12:1 for them not to be ignorant.  Similarly in Hebrews 9:28, likely Barnabas who was Paul’s preaching companion writing in a much better Greek than Paul, says:  “so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are routinely apekdechomai decisively-welcoming Him.” <Notes> a) apekdechomai:  “away-from warmly-welcome, waiting that decisively ‘puts away’ all that should remain behind, looking completely away from this world to what is upcoming,” b) Romans 8:23-25; Titus 2:13; 1 Peter 1:3.

 

Lastly the Greek word prosdechomai is used to meanpros towards and interfacing with + dechomai warmly-welcome = receive in a personally-interactive, warm, open, welcoming manner; to wait actively, expectantly, ready and willing to give and receive, thus active ‘looking-for-and-waiting,” and since this involves personal interests or motivational, it’s always in the middle reflexive voice.  It’s used in Luke 2:25 “Now there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon, and this man was righteous and devout, prosdechomai ‘expectantly waiting to interactively welcome’ the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.”  In Luke 12:35-37, Jesus metaphorically teaches about His second coming:  “Stay dressed for action and keep your lamps burning, and be like men who are routinely prosdechomai ‘expectantly waiting to interactively welcome’ for their Master to come home from the wedding feast, so that they may open the door to Him at once when He comes and knocks. Blessed are those servants whom the Master finds alert when He comes.” Finally, in Luke 23:50-51, “Now there was a man named Joseph, from the Jewish town of Arimathea. He was a member of the council, a good and righteous man, who had not consented to their decision and action; and he was continually prosdechomai ‘expectantly waiting to interactively welcome’ the kingdom of God.”

 

 

 

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Conversational Prayer – BT15

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Drawing-near, conversational-prayer is stopping our talking, busyness, and works to listen/hear to understand/know God Himself

 

 

 

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See Conversational-Prayer – BT4 for seeking God Himself and not just His stuff or help.

 

Different from the various words for supplication and thanksgiving, proseuche conversational-prayer we can also stop talking and hear what God has to say!  In the OT, Moses even told the Jews to akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know whatever The Prophet (a) tells you, He who is like me from your brothers, who the Lord God will raise up” (b) where Moses adds “Every soul who does not akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know to that Prophet shall be destroyed from the people.” King David prophesies by the Holy Spirit: “For He is our God and we are the people of His pasture, the sheep of His hand. Today, if you akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion” (c). <Notes> a) a reference to the Messiah, b) In Acts 3:22 Peter citing Deuteronomy 18:15-19, c) Psalms 95:7.

 

In the NT, The Father told us to akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know His beloved Son, My Chosen One (a). Jesus repeatedly told people to akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know Him, saying “he who has ears, [I strongly urge them to] presently/ongoingly akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know” but doing more than that with them (b), and lots of people did (c) and still are called to do (d) even to receive the Spirit accompanied by miracles by trusting-relying-faith (e), though some didn’t (f), but especially “to akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know what the Spirit says” (g). <Notes> a) Matthew 17:5; Mark 9:7; Luke 10:39, b) Matthew 11:15, 13:9, 43; Mark 4:9, 23; Luke 8:8, 14:35, cf. and “doing them” Matthew 7:24, 26; Luke 6:47, 49, 10:16 versus different responses to hearing:  Matthew 13:20, 22, 23, c) Luke 5:15, 6:18, 15:1, 21:38, d) Hebrews 3:7, 15, 4:7 citing Psalms 95:7, e) Galatians 3:2, 5, cf. Romans 10:17, f) Revelation 2:9, 11, 17, 29, 3:6, 13, 22, 13:9, cf. John 3:8, g) Romans 11:8.

 

Jesus told Pilate that “Everyone who is of The Truth akouo listens/hears-to-understand/know My Voice” (a). Jesus clearly defines Christian disciples/followers as “His sheep, those who have trusting-relying-faith [in Him], and actively, actually, experientially, relationally ginosko know Me, the Good Shepherd,” sheep who “won’t akouo listens/hears-to-understand/know the thieves and robbers,” but instead the sheep are “those who actually akouo listens/hears-to-understand/know My Voice (b) and actively, actually, ongoingly follow (c) Me” (d). <Notes> a) John 18:37, b) phone: sound of directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words, which absolutely doesn’t refer to reading written logos messages of a bible and certainly not to graphe OT scripture, c) be on the same road with, accompany or follow as a disciple, d) John 10:3, 8, 14-16, 25-27.

 

“Having trusting-relying-faith in, experientially-relationally ginosko knowing, akouo listening/hearing-to-understand/know, and following Christ” are Christ’s definitions of a His disciples. Jesus is looking for people who will “come to Me, akouo listens/hears-to-understand/know My sayings (a), and does them” (b).  Jesus defined who His mothers and brothers (His family) as those who “akouo listens/hears-to-understand/know the gospel logos message of God and does it” (c). <Notes> a) plural of the gospel logos message, b) Luke 6:47, c) Luke 8:21.

 

Jesus says “Truly, whoever akouo listens/hears-to-understand/know My gospel logos message and/coupled has trusting-relying-faith in Him [the Father] who sent Me has zoe genuine-life everlasting, not coming into judgment but has passed from death to zoe genuine-life” (a). You can hear the gospel logos message of God, the Father and Son, preached all day long somewhere (rarely at church nowadays), and never “do it,” that is, come to trusting-relying-faith in Christ alone, the only entole officially-decreed, universally-binding commandment to unbelievers in the New Covenant – see Logos Word of God – BT15, which is “the work of trusting-relying-faith” (b). <Notes> a) John 5:24, b) 1 Thessalonians 1:3; 2 Thessalonians 1:11.

 

Hebrews 4:2 says “the ‘Great News’ gospel [logos message] came to us just as to them (a), but this gospel logos message they heard did not benefit them, because their akouo listening/hearing-to-understand/know was in-possibility-NOT sugkerannumi ‘mixed together with, co-mingled, or united with’ The Trusting-Relying-Faith.” Paul asked the Galatians if they “had received the Spirit ek out-from works of the Law or ek out-from [singular] akouo listening/hearing-to-understand/know of/belonging-to [singular] trusting-relying-faith” (b)? Obviously the coming of the Holy Spirit was an obvious experience – not the non-experiential event that too many churches have preached! <Notes> a) the Jews in the wilderness, b) Galatians 3:2.

 

You can akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know everybody else’s voice preach the gospel logos message of God or even your own voice as you read the gospel, but really counts is if you akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know “the voice of Christ” calling you, even ‘knocking on your door, wanting to come in to you.’ Jesus promises, “Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone akouo listens/hears-to-understand/know My voice and opens the door, I will come into him and eat with him, and he with Me…[this is] the one who conquers” (a). Paul says in Romans 10:17 that “trusting-relying-faith comes ek out-from [singular] akouo listening/hearing-to-understand/know” but not hearing his gospel logos message preached, but “akouo listening/hearing-to-understand/know dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of [singular] a directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema word of Christ (b). It only takes akouo listening/hearing-to-understand/know 1 word directly from Christ for trusting-relying-faith to come!  Many have attested to completely blanking out a sermon but having an inner conversation all around 1 word stuck in them, and often it wasn’t even on thing said by the preacher! <Notes> a) Revelations 3:20, b) external manuscript evidence strongly favors this reading over “of God.”

 

Jesus said “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him,” and those who “actually have been ‘taught by God,’ who have actually akouo listened/heard-to-understand/know and manthano learned from the Father, come to Me” (a). This has to be “granted to that person by the Father (b). Nevertheless, Jesus said His crucifixion “will draw ALL (c) people toward Myself” (d). <Notes> a) John 6:44-45, b) John 6:65, c) pas: often times doesn’t mean the whole/entirety of” but more often to “every of a category/class/type of,” as here because many people could care less about Christ’s death on the cross, d) John 12:32, a) Acts 2:17-18; Hebrews 8:11 citing Jeremiah 31:33-34; Psalms 32:8; Isaiah 54:13.

 

Are we just to busy?  Was Martha who “was distracted by much serving” choosing “the agathos ‘good, useful, excellent portion” (a) or Mary “who sat at the Lord’s feed and continually (b) akouo listened/heard-to-understand/know His teaching” (c)?  Jesus said “Mary, . . . which will not be taken away from her!” Martha was the one who complained that Mary needed to stop and help her. However, I actually heard a preacher at Vineyard Connections say that “Martha was more spiritual and had more trusting-relying-faith, and that’s why she was busy serving everybody. She was more ‘useful’ to the Lord.” The Spirit within me wept, and we walked out!  They were a new couple hired to ‘whip the church into shape.’  Yikes! <Notes> a) agathos: “good-natured, pleasantly joyful, excellent or distinguished and thus useful, upright, or honorable,” b) rare imperfect tense: continually, repeatedly, c) Luke 10:38-42.

 

Thus proseuche conversational-prayer is unique in that it is the time we can, if we press in, akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know the Voice of Christ, by the supernatural, dynamite-like enabling-power of the Holy Spirit. This is when we manthano learn directly from Christ, as every prophet whoever existed did, just as was “The Promise” for the completely-different-in-kind New Covenant’s Church age (a), so that we can really be a follower/disciple of Christ. <Notes> a) Acts 2:17-18; Hebrews 8:11 citing Jeremiah 31:33-34; Psalms 32:8; Isaiah 54:13.

 

Nowhere in the NT does it say the successful Christian life comes from reading, studying, and memorizing scripture as I was taught by so many churches and 5 bible colleges – see Bible Info.  Instead it says holiness/sanctification comes from akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know the Parakletos Spirit’s parakaleo alongside-counselling/teaching NOW as the phone voice of Jesus by the directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words of the Lord – see Prophetic Word of God.

 

 

 

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Conversational Prayer – BT14

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Drawing-near, conversational-prayer is stopping our talking, busyness, and works to listen/hear to be taught directly by God – it’s the ‘easy button’ compared to bible-study

 

 

 

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Proseuche conversational-prayer is often the translation of the Hebrew word tephillah.  Although the Hebrew can simply refer to prayer in general, or the action of praying in general even as intercession, or can refer to liturgical prayer, it often refers to the attentive “giving of ear to” shama/akouo listening/hearing towards God during prayer or of God listening/hearing our prayers:  1 Kings 8:28, 38-39, 45, 49, 9:3; 2 Chronicles 6:19-20, 35, 39-40, 7:15; Psalms 17:1, 66:19-20, 86:6; Nehemiah 1:6, 11; Daniel 9:17.  As much as listening-to and hearing-from God is stressed in the OT and especially the NT, you certainly don’t see that many books on conversational-prayer either!  My wife Charlotte and our counselor friend Elizabeth Roberts have found great growth from theophostic prayer now called transformational prayer and especially from 4 Keys to Hearing God’s Voice by Mark & Patti Virkler, which I’ve had family and friends benefit from greatly!

 

Isaiah 50:4 said the Messiah would be taught by God “how to sustain with a logos message in season to [him who is] weary.” Jesus indeed invited us:  “[I strongly urge you to] You-all duete come-here-NOW pros ‘toward to reach the goal of’ Me all who labor-toil-work and/coupled overburdened (a), kai and/then I will give you ‘peaceful-rest, ease or repose.’ [I strongly urge you to] definitively/wholly take My yoke (b) upon you and/coupled/thus [I strongly urge you to] definitively/wholly manthano learn apo away-from Me (c) for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and [then] you will find peaceful-rest for your souls, for My yoke [is] easy (d) and/coupled My burden-load presently/ongoingly actually light (e)” (f). He said this right after v. 11:25 “these things” or v. 13:11 “the secrets of the kingdom” (g) remain “hidden from the ‘wise and understanding’” (h) but are “revealed to little children.” The context is the burden of the Jewish religion (a) with its many “works of righteousness” (i) to obey 613 commandments in the OT, more from the Oral Torah, and even the esoteric learning of the Greeks, which are indeed a huge burden to carry. Trying to know God through rules or gnosis book knowledge or philosophy is a lot of work!  The solution is to come to Jesus, take a ‘vacation’ (j) from the book-learning gnosis info-knowledge and works of religion, and instead be directly meno abiding/connected-to the Vine (k) and let Him manthano train us directly by that harness connection – and Jesus said this was gentle, easy, and light – it’s the ‘easy button!’

 

<Notes> a) context: with the load of the Law’s commandments: Luke 11:46, b) training harness, c) manthano:  “increase one’s knowledge, be informed, or hear or learn from” but here in person rather than from books, cf. ‘learned from the Father’ to be ‘taught by God’  per John 6:45, ‘learned Christ’ per Ephesians 4:20, learning by prophecy per 1 Corinthians 14:31, d) chrestos used as an predicate adjective so [is] supplied:  manageable, mild, pleasant, kind, well-fit to the animal, so there’s no chaffing sores, e) in weight, thus easy to carry.  The yoke/harness is not a long, heavy bar like you see in some carriages but ‘light as a feather,” f) Matthew 11:28-30, g) Luke 8:10, h) context: the Jewish experts of the scripture or Gentiles of philosophical writings, i) Titus 3:5; Romans 4:6, j) “Be still” of Psalms 46:10 “in order to yada/ginosko experientially, relationally know God” comes from raphah, scholazo:  “take a vacation from your work, relax, peacefully-rest, quiet yourself, k) John 15:1-4.

 

The ‘yoke/harness method of learning’ directly from Jesus is relatively “manageably-easy (a) and/coupled My burden/requirements light (b)” so much so that we can actually find “peaceful-rest, ease or repose, that is a ‘vacation’ from our work,’ for our souls.”  In context, it has to be significantly ‘easier and lighter’ than the ‘burden/requirements’ of the so-called “wise and understanding ones” of Matthew 11:25, especially since it is to be “revealed to nepios little children.”  Nepios refers to milk-feeding infants or little children that still require the gentleness of a nursing mother per 1 Thessalonians 2:7 and Hebrews 5:13.  Jesus said the ‘easy button’ was simply by obeying: “duete come-here-NOW pros ‘toward to reach the goal of’ Me . . . for I am gentle and lowly in heart” in Matthew 11:28.  You have to ‘harness up’ to the lead-horse on God’s horse-drawn carriage, and that is Jesus.  That is how we “definitively/wholly manthano learn apo away-from Me” in verse 11:29 (c). <Notes> a) chrestos used as an predicate adjective so [is] supplied:  manageable, mild, pleasant, kind, well-fit to the animal, so there’s no chaffing sores, b) from elauno:  wind that drives ships or clouds and from elasson:  younger, smaller. The yoke/harness is not a long, heavy bar like you see in some carriages but ‘light as a feather,” c) manthano:  “increase one’s knowledge, be informed, or hear or learn from” but here in person rather than from books, cf. ‘learned from the Father’ to be ‘taught by God’  per John 6:45, ‘learned Christ’ per Ephesians 4:20, learning by prophecy per 1 Corinthians 14:31.

 

Therefore “coming to [in order] to learn from” Jesus directly, must be the essence of proseuche conversational-prayer, the “easy” and “gentle and lowly/humble in heart” way that Jesus would teach us the “little children” we are to be like (a) – see Least Among You – and not the so-called “wise and understanding” bible-study experts like the scribes and Pharisees “who searched/studied the scriptures diligently [erroneously] dokeo supposing (b) that in them they would hold-to-have zoe genuine-life” but nonetheless “presently/ongoingly refuse to come to Me so that you may hold-to-have zoe genuine-life.” Although they prided themselves in ‘knowing God’s Word,’ as so many Christian scholars and pastors do, Jesus had this to say of them: “You do absolutely-in-fact-NOT have God’s logos message dwelling in you, for you do absolutely-in-fact-NOT have trusting-relying-faith in the One [Christ] whom He [the Father] has sent” (c). <Notes> a) Matthew 19:14; Mark 10:14; Luke 18:16, b) dokeo:  have the opinion of, seem to think, suppose what seems to be, make a subjective mental estimate, which directly reflects the personal values of the person(s), making this a subjective judgment call, c) John 5:38-40.

 

We know from the NT that the “heavy burden that was hard to bear that is laid on people’s shoulders” is what the bible-study expert scribes and Pharisees “presently/ongoingly preach but don’t practice” (a). But this legalism came right into the Church!  Peter challenged the Jewish-Christian “apostles and elders” of Jerusalem Church saying: “Why are you placing a yoke (b) on the neck of the [Gentile] disciples that neither our [Jewish] fathers nor we have been able to bear?” (c), so they prayed to know what to write the Gentile churches to do. God answered: “For it has-already-been dokeo supposed (d) to the Holy Spirit and/coupled to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements:  that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols (e) kai and/specifically from blood and/coupled from what has been strangled and/coupled from [temple] prostitution (f). If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell” (h). These were all Gentile practices of temple idol worship (i). <Notes> a) Matthew 23:2-4; Luke 11:46, b) context: of circumcision as the ‘seal of obedience’ to the Law of Torah “instruction,” c) Acts 15:6-10, d) dokeo:  see note ‘b’ above, e) offered to demons, thus co-participating with demons: 1 Corinthians 10:20; Revelation 9:20, f) porneia: sexual intercourse outside of marriage, harlotry common in temple worship, especially Corinth famous for it’s “more than 10,000 beautiful women prostitutes,” g) , h) Acts 15:28-29, i) see Acts 15:20, 21:25, cf. Romans 2:22; 1 Corinthians 5:10-11, 6:9, 8:4, 7, 10, 10:7, 14, 19; Galatians 5:20; Ephesians 5:5; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 1:9; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14, 20, 9:20, 21:8, 22:15.

 

By 95-110 AD, John has to remind Christians again of Christ’s only 2 commandments of “trusting-relying-faith in the Son and/coupled unconditional-love reciprocally to one another,” which together is the ONLY commandment of God (a), which are “absolutely-in-fact-NOT burdensome” (b), just as Jesus said in Matthew 11:30 above, “My burden is light [as a feather or clouds driven by wind] to carry.” Christ’s yoke/harness is not a long, heavy bar like you see in some carriages!  Evidently, the teachers of the Law and likely Gentile religions (c) were still “trying to deceive them” (d). So John has to remind them, “you have absolutely-in-fact-NO need that anyone should presently/ongoingly teach you, for as His anointing (e) actually, ongoingly teaches you about ALL things, and is trustworthy, thus is of no lies – just as it has already taught you, meno abide-remain-dwell IN Him” (f). Christians don’t need a book or teachers, only the Holy Spirit to “guide them into ALL truth” (g) as promised in the OT (h). <Notes> a) 1 John 3:23, b) 1 John 5:3, c) both of them “antichrists” who “don’t confess the coming of Christ in the flesh” who are “practicing unrighteousness” and “denying sin”, d) 1 John 1:8, 2:26, 3:7; 2 John 1:7, e) context: Holy Spirit in 1 John 2:20, f) 1 John 2:27, g) Matthew 10:20; Luke 12:12; John 14:26, 16:13, h) Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27.

 

While Jesus was on earth, He was always defending His ministry to the bible-student scribes and Pharisees, for “it is written in the Prophets (a), ‘And they will be [the ones] ALL taught of/belonging-to God.’  Everyone having akouo listened/heard-to-understand/know para ‘from close beside’ the Father kai and/thus having manthano learned presently/ongoingly comes to Me” (b).  Yes, manthano generally means “increase one’s knowledge, be informed, or hear or learn from” but here in person from God rather than from gramma writings. But what about after Christ ascended?  <Notes> a) Isaiah 54:13; Jeremiah 31:33-34 the distinction of the completely-different-in-kind New Covenant cited in Hebrew 8:10-11, b) John 6:45.

 

Paul regarding Christians who  “should no longer be walking/living as the Gentiles do . . . because of the agnoeo ignorance (a) that is in them,” because “that is absolutely-in-fact-NOT the way you manthano learned The Christ” (b).  Notice Paul didn’t say “learn about Christ,” which is what you would get from hearing others like himself or reading books.  However, in another letter Paul says there is a place for sharing prophecies, “each in turn” and “letting the allos ‘others of the same/similar kind’ diakrino ‘judge-thru thoroughness’ (c) what was said . . . you can ALL prophesy one by one, so that ALL may presently/ongoingly manthano learn and/coupled ALL be parkaleo encouraged-close-beside” (d).  The Holy Spirit as the close-beside Parakletos “advocate, intercessor, and counsel” thus parkaleo encourages-close-beside the congregation through the prophets.  In context, is is any wonder that Paul said earlier “Now I thelo will-desire-purpose you ALL to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy” (e).  Therefore the allos ‘others of the same/similar kind’ could mean other prophets they should all be, or other Spirit-kind-of people operating in/by/with the grace-gifts of the Spirit, not the agnoeo ignorant (a) and certainly not the idiotes idiot-outsiders that may wander into the church (f).  In another letter, Paul says: Now concerning brotherly-love you have absolutely-in-fact-NO need for [anyone or me] to write to you, for yourselves [are] (i) [the] you-alls theodidaktos taughtofGod (i) to unconditionally-love one another” (j).  This may be referring to the entole officially-decreed, universally-binding commandment to unconditionally-love one another” given to by Christ that some of these Christians may have been fortunate enough to have heard – see Logos Word of God – BT16.  Some scholars believe Paul wrote this 51-52 AD, 19-20 years after Christ’s death, so it’s possible, but Paul’s use of this only-once-occurring word theodidaktos in the NT is saying this is what these Christians are characterized as NOW – people who are NOW taught-of-God. This can must be a reference to the present/ongoing teaching of the Spirit of Christ (k), especially since Paul earlier spoke of the Holy Spirit to these Christians, particularly of its enabling-power during His preaching they witnessed and the joy they experienced of/belonging to the Holy Spirit even in their suffering (l).  Obviously Paul is referencing the same “taught-of-God” that Jesus was in John 6:45 above as prophesied in the OT (m), but here particularly of the Holy Spirit that would dwell in them to do just that (n) after Christ ascended (o). See also Teaching page.

 

<Notes> a) Ephesians 4:18, 1 Corinthians 10:1, 12:1, 14:38, b) Ephesians 4:18-20, c) diakrino: to judge thru-the-realizing-channel-of being thorough, thus to investigate or discriminate thoroughly either rightly by close-reasoning or wrongly by going too far or vacillating back and forth, as determined by the context, d) 1 Corinthians 14:27-31, e) 1 Corinthians 14:5, f) 1 Corinthians 14:16, 23-24, i) theodidaktos is a predicate adjective so the verb [are] is supplied.  In Greek writings the theodidaktos were those who spoke directly with the gods, therefore publishers and interpreters of divine oracles, versed in sacred science, j) 1 Thessalonians 4:9, k) Romans 8:9; Philippians 1:19; 1 Peter 1:11; Acts 16:7 l) vv. 1:5-6, 4:8, m) Isaiah 54:13; Jeremiah 31:33-34 the distinction of the completely-different-in-kind New Covenant cited in Hebrew 8:10-11, n) Matthew 10:20; Luke 12:12; John 14:26, 16:13, o) Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27

 

 

 

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Conversational Prayer – BT13

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Drawing-near conversational-prayer isn’t talking, busyness, or works but peacefully-resting from all of it

 

 

 

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The OT gives a key imperative about prayer: “[I strongly urge you to] definitively/wholly become [passive] still (a) before Yahweh and/coupled [I strongly urge you to] definitively/wholly become [passive] patiently-waiting for Him” (b) and gives us this amazing promise: “[I strongly urge you to] definitively/wholly become [passive] still (a) kai and/coupled (c) definitively/wholly become [passive] experientially, relationally yada/ginosko knowing that I am God” (d).  Because yada/ginosko knowledge requires a 2-way relationship, we can become passively still forever without any results whatsoever.  Also we can actively try to relationally know God until we are blue in the face without any results – world religions have been trying forever and are no closer to God.  However, yada/ginosko is also passive, and so it implies that both becoming still and/coupled having a relationship with God are something we have to having trusting-relying-faith in God for.  If we do “passively-wait for Him” while “also passively being still” we stand a good change of actually being in a yada/ginosko relationship with God.  The context bears this out:  stop running around with your head cut off about the cares of this world and instead stop, shut up, and just patiently-wait for the Lord to create an amazing relationship WITH you that will save you from your worse fears and cares.  When quieting the storm that caused so much fear among the disciple of “little trusting-relying-faith,” Jesus strongly urged with the imperative: “presently/ongoingly actively siopao Be Silent!  Phimoo Become [passive] Muzzled-Silent!” and “there was a great calm” (e).  We need to be peacefully at rest in order to really know the Lord in order to find peaceful-rest from the threatening-chaos of the world. <Notes> a) raphah, scholazo: take a vacation from your work, relax, rest, quiet yourself, b) Psalms 37:7, c) kai can have many other meaning than “and-coupled or and-related” like “still, besides, also, moreover, likewise, even, indeed, namely, specifically, d) Psalms 46:10, e) Mark 4:39.

 

That’s why Jesus taught, “Come To Me, all who labor/work/toil and/coupled overburdened [a], and I will give you peaceful-rest/ease/repose. Take My yoke (b) upon you, and manthano learn from Me (c) for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and [then] you will find peaceful-rest for your souls, for My yoke [is] easy (d) and My burden (load) is presently/ongoingly actually light (e)” (f).  He said this right after v. 11:25 “these things” or v. 13:11 “secrets of the kingdom” (g) remain “hidden from the ‘wise and understanding’” (h) but are “revealed to little children.” <Notes> a) context: with the load of the Law’s commandments: Luke 11:46, b) training harness, c) manthano:  “increase one’s knowledge, be informed, or hear or learn from” but here in person rather than from books, cf. ‘learned from the Father’ to be ‘taught by God’  per John 6:45, ‘learned Christ’ per Ephesians 4:20, learning by prophecy per 1 Corinthians 14:31, d) manageable, mild, pleasant, kind, e) in weight, thus easy to carry, f) Matthew 11:28-30, g) Luke 8:10, h) context: the Jewish experts of the scripture or Gentiles of philosophical writings.

 

The writer of Hebrews to Jewish-Christians being tempted to go back to the Law of commandments for their security, wrote: “the promise of entering God’s peaceful-rest (a) still stands” (b), “for we who have had trusting-relying-faith [in Christ] enter that peaceful-rest” (c), “so then, there remains a Sabbath Rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s peaceful-rest has also rested from his works as God did from His. Let us therefore strive to enter that peaceful-rest” (d). <Notes> a) from His work on the 7th day of creation: Hebrews 3:11, 4:4, 10, b) v. 4:1, c) v. 4:3, d) v. 11.

 

 

 

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Conversational Prayer – BT12

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Drawing-near, conversational-prayer includes calling or crying out for God Himself not just His stuff

 

 

 

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See Conversational-Prayer – BT4 for seeking God Himself and not just His stuff or help.

 

In this kind of proseuche conversational-prayer we can indeed humbly “call on the Lord.”  Paul promises in Romans 10:12-14, “Everyone who calls on the name/person/authority of the Lord [Jesus] shall actually be saved . . . bestowing His riches on all who call on Him,” but then Paul asks, “How then will they call on Him in whom they have not had trusting-relying-faith in?”  Paul tells Timothy to “De and-now flee youthful passions de but-instead-now pursue righteousness (a), trusting-relying-faith, unconditional-love, [and] peace (b) along with those who call on the Lord from a katharos pure (c) heart” (d).  Psalms 116:17 says, “I will offer to You the sacrifice of thanksgiving and/coupled call on the name/person/authority of the Lord.” <Notes> a) context: right-living, thus sanctification/holiness. Notice how this is associated with trusting-relying-faith, b) context: harmony with others.  Notice how this is associated with unconditional-love, c) katharos:  purged, clean, pure, unmixed – similar to hagios holy, d) 2 Timothy 2:22.

 

“Calling on the name/person/authority of the Lord” is a Jewish idiom (a) equated with “Calling on/to the Lord” Himself (b) that carries a great promise: “The Lord is near to all who call on Him, to all who call on Him in/by/with truth [i.e., sincerely]” (c), “so let us presently/ongoingly proserchomai ‘towards coming-from-one-place-to-another drawing-near’ with a true [sincere] heart in full assurance of trusting-relying-faith” (d).  We saw that “calling on the Lord from a katharos pure-unmixed heart” in 2 Timothy 2:22 above, for “blessed are the katharos pure-unmixed in heart, because they shall horao ‘observe, perceive, discern’ God” (e). <Notes> a) Genesis 12:8, 21:33; Psalms 105:1, 116:4, 13, 17; Joel 2:32; Zephaniah 3:9, 13:9, b) Psalms 99:6, 118:5; Judges 16:28; 2 Kings 20:11; 1 Chronicles 21:26, c) Psalms 145:18, d) Hebrews 10:22, e) Matthew 5:8.

 

“Crying out to the Lord for us” is the proseuche conversational-prayer Moses did for Israel (a). It is equated with “calling upon the Lord” above in 2 Samuel 22:7, “I called upon the Lord . . . He heard my voice, and my cry came to His ears.” It’s equated to proseuche conversational-prayer by the psalmists: “attend to my cry, give ear to my proseuche conversational-prayer” (b), and “hear my proseuche conversational-prayer, O Lord; let my cry come to you” (c), and “Have regard to the proseuche conversational-prayer . . . and to his deesis supplication-prayer, O Lord… listening to the cry and to the proseuche conversational-prayer …who proseuchomai conversationally-prays before you” (d).  It is associated with waiting-patiently (see a BLOG below): “I waited-patiently for the Lord; He inclined to me and heard my cry” (e). This ‘crying’ is in the morning, noon, even all day and night (f).  We see Jesus listening to a Canaanite woman who cried out to Him (g) and the blind man that Jesus healed (h) and say, “will not God give justice to His elect, who cry to Him day and night?” (i).  Paul says, “because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, by whom we cry ‘Daddy, Father’” (j). <Notes> a) Exodus 14:15, b) Psalms 17:1, c) Psalms 102:1, d) 1 Kings 8:28 and 2 Chronicles 6:19, e) Psalms 40:1, f) Psalms 22:2, 86:3, 88:1; Lamentations 2:19; Jeremiah 20:16, g) Matthew 15:22-23, h) Mark 10:47, i) Luke 18:7, j) Romans 8:15; Galatians 4:6.

 

Therefore, in proseuche conversational-prayer we can indeed wholeheartedly “cry out to the Lord” for mercy, rescue, and with our deesis supplication-prayers, just what Israel asked Samuel to never stop doing for them (a).  Samuel said:  “Gather the elders and land’s inhabitants to the house of the Lord your God, and cry out to the Lord” (b).  Job realizes that unfortunately man waits until they are at the end of their ropes: “Because of the multitude of oppressions people cry out; they call for help” (c).  Hosea accuses the Jews:  “Woe to them, for they have strayed from Me! . . . They do not cry to Me from the heart, but they wail while lying in their beds (d)” (e).  David sings “Be merciful to Me, O God…I will take refuge . . . I cry out to God Most High, . . . He will send from heaven and save me . . . God will send out His steadfast unconditional-love and His faithfulness.” He also says, “O Lord, God of My salvation, I cry out day and night before You” (g), and “With my voice I cry out to the Lord; with my voice I plead for mercy to the Lord” (h), and again: “But I, O Yahweh, cry to You; in the morning my proseuche conversational-prayer comes before you” (i), and again:  “Out of the depths I cry to You, O Lord” (j), and finally: “In my distress I called upon Yahweh; to my God I cried for help. From His temple He heard my voice, and my cry to Him reached His ears” (k). Can you see why God favored David?  Lamentations says, “Arise, cry out in the night, … pour out your heart like water before the presence of the Lord!  Lift your hands to Him” (l).  Jesus asks: “Will not God give justice to His elect [people], who cry to Him day and night? (m)? <Notes> a) 1 Samuel 7:8, b) Joel 1:14, c) Job 35:9, d) this is a euphemism: yelling out ‘O, God’ during intercourse, just as people often do today, e) Hosea 7:13-14, f) Psalms 57:1-3, g) Psalms 88:1, h) Psalms 142:1, i) Psalms 88:13, j) Psalms 130:1, k) Psalms 18:6, l) Lamentations 2:19 , m) Luke 18:7.

 

 

 

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Conversational Prayer – BT11

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Drawing-near, conversational-prayer includes more child-like confidence but also humility and thankfulness

 

 

 

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Proseuche conversational-prayer is also more like the Greek noun enteuxis, meaning “an attitude of child-like confidence, trust, boldness, and free approach to God that can then boldly intercede for others,” but it’s used only 2 times in the NT:  The OT dietary Laws and Traditions of the Elders were unnecessary because “everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with eucharistia thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the gospel logos message of God and [also] by enteuxis confident-approaching-prayer” (a).  Paul also tells Timothy “[I strongly-urge-you] that deesis supplication, proseuche conversational-prayers, enteuxis confident-approaching-intercessions, [and] eucharistia thanksgiving be made on-behalf-of all people, for kings and those in high positions, that we may lead a eremos ‘undisturbed, placid, tranquil, composed’ and/coupled hesuchios ‘still, quiet, calm, steady, settled’ life” (b). Notice again that the monologue of deesis supplication is distinct from proseuche conversational-prayer, intercession, and thanksgiving? How easily we confuse them because so often our English bibles don’t differentiate them! <Notes> a) 1 Timothy 4:4-5, b) 1 Timothy 2:1-2.

 

Proseuche conversational-prayer is also more like the Greek noun hiketeria, meaning “an attitude of lowliness/humility or self-deprecation when approaching God for favor, as with holding out an ‘olive branch’ to signal an approach for supplication,” used only 1 time in the NT:  During Christ’s life, He offered both deesis supplications and/coupled hiketeria ‘lowly/humble requests for favor’ with loud crying and/coupled tears to the One [Father-God] who was able to save Him from death and/coupled having been deeply-heard because of His eulabeia ‘reverently-grabbing of what is good, thus devout caution,’ even though being a Son, He learned this hupakoesurrender to what is akouo heard/listened-to-understand/know from the things He suffered (a). We, too, can be “deeply-heard because of our eulabeia ‘reverently-grabbing of what is good, thus devout caution’ in our lowly-approach to God for favor. <Notes> a) Hebrews 5:7-8, b) Philippians 2:8, c) Matthew 23:12; Luke 14:11, 18:14, d) Matthew 18:4.

 

Other words for lowering/humility are the noun/verb tapeinos/tapeinoo of Jesus “tapeinoo lowered/humbled Himself by becoming submissively-obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross” (b). Thus Jesus taught that “whoever tapeinoo lowers/humbles himself will be exalted” (c) and similarly that “whoever tapeinoo lowers/humbles himself like this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven” (d). James groups the phrases “God gives unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace to the tapeinos lowly/humble” and “hupotasso ‘assign, put in order/appoint under as with a ‘military’ post/duties’ yourselves therefore to God” and “tapeinoo lower/humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will exalt you” and associates all this to “eggizodraw extremely close’ to God kai and/then He will eggizodraw extremely close’ to  you” (e).  <Notes> a) Hebrews 5:7-8, b) Philippians 2:8, c) Matthew 23:12; Luke 14:11, 18:14, d) Matthew 18:4, e) James 4:6-10.

 

Proseuche conversational-prayer is also more like the Greek noun eucharistia, meaning “an attitude of gratitude and thankfulness expressed chiefly through prayer,” used only 15 times in the NT:  In Paul’s final instructions to the Colossians, he strongly urges them to “be presently/ongoingly proskartereo persistently-relationally-devoted-toward (a) proseuche conversational-prayer, routinely gregoreo vigilantly-watching (b) in it with with eucharistia thanksgiving” (c). We saw above that Paul tells Timothy “[I strongly-urge-you] that deesis supplication, proseuche conversational-prayers, enteuxis confident-approaching-intercessions, [and] eucharistia thanksgiving be made on-behalf-of all people, for kings and those in high positions, that we may lead a eremos ‘undisturbed, placid, tranquil, composed’ and/coupled hesuchios ‘still, quiet, calm, steady, settled’ life” (d). Also to Timothy that the OT dietary Laws and Traditions of the Elders were unnecessary because “everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with eucharistia thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the gospel logos message of God and [also] by enteuxis confident-approaching-prayer” (e). <Notes> a) proskartereo:  “pros towards-and-interacting-with plus kartereo ‘showing of steadfast strength,’ thus to consistently show strength that prevails in spite of difficulties, thus to endure and stay in a fixed direction, continuing to do something with intense effort despite difficulty, and so be persistently-relationally-devoted-to,” b) watching in prayer is the topic of another BLOG, c) Colossians 4:2, d) 1 Timothy 2:1-2, e) 1 Timothy 4:4-5.

 

Furthermore Paul says, “Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, rooted and built up in Him and established in The Trusting-Relying-Faith, just as you were taught, abounding in eucharistia thanksgiving” (a).  So Paul strong urges us to:  “Be anxious about nothing but through proseuche conversational-prayer and/coupled deesis supplication-prayer [both together] with eucharistia thanksgiving, let your aitema specific-subordinately-asked-petitions be made gnorizo experientially, relationally known to God” (b).  Can you see how many forms of prayer can occur together?  Concerning un-interpreted tongues in public services, Paul writes: “If you are praising God by the means of the Spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed (ignorant) say ‘Amen’ at your eucharistia thanksgiving [that tongues must contain] since he does absolutely-in-fact-NOT eido mentally ‘see’ to perceive/know what you say” (c) – see The Grace-Gifts of Tongues & Interpretation?  Paul says that those who sow the seed of the gospel logos message are enriching the Corinthian Christians in every way so they call also all be generous to others, especially in their giving, which produces dia thru-the-realizing-channel of us eucharistia thanksgiving to God (d).  Paul exhorts Christians to “be imitators of God . . . and/coupled walk-all-around/live in/by/with unconditional-love . . . [I strongly urge you to] absolutely-in-fact-NOT even let be named among you . . . filthiness and/coupled foolish-talking or crude-joking which are absolutely-in-fact-NOT fitting [for saints] but-instead rather eucharistia thanksgiving” (e). <Notes> a) Colossians 2:6-7, b) Philippians 4:6, c) 1 Corinthians 14:16, d) 2 Corinthians 9:11, e) Ephesians 5:1-4.

 

 

 

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Conversational Prayer – BT10

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Drawing-near, conversational-prayer can include asking, seeking, and knocking but especially to delight IN God Himself not just His stuff

 

 

 

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See also Conversational-Prayer – BT4 for seeking God Himself and not just His stuff or help.

 

In the OT, Isaiah 58:2 says: “MY people . . . they zeteo diligently-seek (a) delight to daath prophetically or ginosko experientially, relationally know My ways, . . . they ask Me to make just decrees of judgment; they delight to draw near to God.” In Proverbs 8:17, Wisdom personified says, “I unconditionally-love those who unconditionally-love Me, and those who shachar/zeteo ‘look/seek early or diligently for’ me will matsa/heurisko ‘find or attain to/find what was sought after’ Me.” Jeremiah 29:11-13 says to the Jewish exiles: “For I yada/logizomai ‘experentially, relationally know or logically/reasonably account/reckon’ the plans I have for you, declares Yahweh, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon Me and come and/coupled proseuchomai conversationally-pray to Me, and I will hear you. You will-definitively (b) ekzeteo diligently-seek-out (c) Me and/coupled find Me, when you (d) ekzeteo diligently-seek-out (c) Me with your holos whole heart.”  Amos 5:4 says, “[I strongly urge you to] ekzeteo diligently-seek-out (c) Me and [you] shall actually zoe genuinely-live.” 1 Chronicles 28:9 says, “If you (d) ekzeteo diligently-seek-out (c) Him, He shall actually be found by you.”  2 Chronicles 7:14 speaks of “baqash/zeteo (a) ‘seeking to find or diligently-seeking’ My face” and likewise Daniel 9:3 says: “turning/set my face to the Lord God, baqash/zeteo (a) ‘seeking to find or diligently-seeking’ Him by tephillah/proseuche conversational-prayer and deesis supplications with fasting (e) . . . I proseuchomai conversationally-prayed to the Lord,” and Lamentations 3:25-26 says: “the Lord is good to those who wait for Him, . . . who darash (c)/zeteo (a) diligently-seeks Him.  It is good that one should wait quietly for the salvation of the Lord.”  None of this is casual once-in-a-while ‘in a pinch’ proseuchomai conversationally-praying – see also Obedient Steps of Faith – BT16 for the relentless of trusting-relying-faith.

 

<Notes> a) zeteo:  searching diligently in order to find, investigate, desire/crave, aim/strive after, b) perfect tense: definitively, c) ek + zeteo for the Hebrew darash: search out diligently in order to find, investigate, desire/crave, aim/strive after – another Hebraism throughout the OT for diligent worship in order to find God, d) imperfect tense: continually/routinely, e) although fasting is often associated to prayer in the OT, nowhere is it commanded.  The actual NT uses are very infrequent of the earliest Jewish-Christians still struggling to let go of OT “traditions of the elders” and many occurrences are later additions by Catholic Monks under the legalism the Catholic Church brought back in after 225 AD that Origen significantly started.

 

In Christ’s model of how to proseuchomai conversationally-pray in Matthew 6:5-13 and Luke 11:2-4, He uses many illustrations in context to emphasize us “presently/ongoingly aiteo subordinately-asking (a) UNTIL we receive, presently/ongoingly zeteo diligently-seeking (b) UNTIL we find, and presently/ongoingly knocking UNTIL the door is opened.”  A.S.K. – Ask, Seek, Knock. These are actions of trusting-relying-faith that persist UNTIL they get results as Jesus illustrates in several stories (c) – see also Obedient Steps of Faith – BT16 for the relentless of trusting-relying-faith, like a little child trying to get into the cookie jar – see Least Among You – BT12. <Notes> a) aiteo: from a subordinate position to willfully request/call out for/petition, beg, require/desire/crave, b) zeteo: search diligently in order to find, investigate, desire/crave, aim/strive after, c) Luke 11:5-8, 18:1-8.

 

This has nothing to do with asking for our physical needs or wants to be met!  In Matthew 6:19-33 context, Jesus said we aren’t supposed to be “laying up for ourselves treasures on earth . . . but in heaven . . . for where our treasures are, what our ‘eye’ is on, reveals where our hearts really are . . . for you cannot serve 2 masters . . . God and money. Therefore, do not be anxious about your life – what you will eat or drink or . . . clothing.” Nor should we be about “zeteo diligently-seeking after all these THINGS as the Gentiles do, for you heavenly Father already knows that you need them, but presently/ongoingly zeteo diligently-seek foremost the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and these [other] THINGS [then physically require to survive] will be given to you as well.”  But God doesn’t promise anything more here than your basic needs.  Therefore Jesus warns about our asking:  “Don’t heap up empty phrases and . . . many repeating words, like the nations/people do, thinking they will be heard, for your Father already knows what you need before you aiteo subordinately-ask Him” (a).” Instead, Paul says in Romans 8:5, to be “setting your minds on the things of the Spirit (b) instead of the things of the flesh in order to live down-from/according-to the Spirit.”  Much of the ‘name-it-and-claim-it Faith Movement’ is a disguise for “setting your minds on things of the flesh.” <Notes> a) Matthew 6:7-8, b) desires of the Spirit: Galatians 5:17.

 

The real purpose of Christ’s discourse on persistent “asking, seeking, knocking” (A.S.K.) is expressed in His Prayer Model’s thesis recap, as every good teacher leaves their audience with, in Luke 11:13 about routinely-asking for “the good grace-gifts . . . giving the Holy Spirit to those who routinely aiteo subordinately-asks Him,” or in the parallel account in Matthew 7:11 that good Father “give the good things to those who routinely aiteo subordinately-asks Him.” For us to get this grace-gift of the Spirit, let alone the Spirit’s “good things or grace-gifts,” Jesus has to “erotao entreat the Father to give us another [other than Jesus] Parakletos (a) to be with us forever” (b), who is the Holy Spirit. This is “The promised grace-gift” that keeps on giving – the actual dunamis dynamite-like enabling-power of the “kingdom of God to come and His will to be done on earth as it already is in heaven” that was Christ’s thesis statement we should pray for (c). Also, Christ isn’t teaching unbelievers to get the indwelling Holy Spirit once and for all at their conversion, but teaching Christians throughout time, who will already have the deposit of the Holy Spirit dwelling within them, to make it a routine lifestyle of aiteo subordinate-asking for the Holy Spirit!  This is how they will “presently/ongoingly zeteo diligently-seek foremost the kingdom of God and His righteousness” (d). God’s “kingdom and righteousness” have nothing to do with a list of commandments to do for God, regardless of how many sermons you’ve heard about this, but seeking The Holy Spirit’s kingly-reigning enabling-power of Jesus, the Kingly Righteous One (e)!  The Lord told me that one night on a long prayer walk – It’s 2 “Who’s to know,” and not 2 “What’s to do.”  <Notes> a) ‘Close-beside’ caller, summoner, or inviter; helper, succorer, or assistant; encouraging teacher, counselor, comforter, or consoler; defense-attorney, judicial-advocate, or court-intercessor, b) John 14:16, c) Matthew 6:10; Luke 11:2, d) Matthew 6:33; Luke 12:31, e) “the Righteous One” per Acts 3:14, 7:52, 22:14; see also “the Lord our righteousness” per Jeremiah 23:6, 33:16.

 

This is relentless “pauo unceasing proseuchomai conversationally-praying” or routine “present/ongoing having of trusting-relying-faith that you will lambano ‘grab hold of to receive’ what you are proseuchomai conversationally-praying for” (a), “by trusting-relying-faith without doubting” so should be for “wisdom instead of things to satisfy your own passions” (b). Jesus doesn’t teach us to go on and on “as the Gentiles do, heaping up empty phrases, thinking they will be heard for their many words” or even about “giving us this day our daily bread,” but says “do not be like them, for your Father already knows what you need before you ask Him” (c). In fact, proseuchomai conversationally-praying for “our daily bread” may not only be for our physical needs, but for “Christ, the bread of zoe genuine-life” (d) or possibly even for “the bread that man can live on alone – every directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema word from the mouth of God” (e), because as Christ says: “My directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words are Spirit and zoe genuine-life” (f), for certainly our “hunger and thirst” should be for “righteousness to be satisfied” (f) by “coming to Me, the bread of zoe genuine-life . . . having trusting-relying-faith in Me” so we can “not hunger and never thirst” (g). <Notes> a) Matthew 21:22; Mark 11:24; Colossians 1:9, b) James 1:5-6, c) Matthew 6:7-8, 11; Luke 11:3, d) John 6:32-38, 50-51, 55-58, e) Matthew 4:4, Luke 4:4, citing Deuteronomy 8:3, f) Matthew 5:6, g) John 6:35.

 

Instead of praying for stuff, Paul’s team ceaselessly prayed for Christians to “be filled [to completion] by the genuine, experiential, relational epignosis knowledge of God’s will by the means of all Spirit-kind-of (a) wisdom and/coupled sunesis ‘connect-the-dots’ understanding (b) – this isn’t comprehension of bible gnosis info-knowledge but “’connecting the dots’ insight from discernment of the Spirit” (c). That’s why Jesus’ final teaching on proseuchomai conversationally-praying is to “routinely ask for the good grace-gift of the Holy Spirit” as the enabling-power to accomplish our proseuchomai conversationally-praying for God’s “kingdom to come and will to be done” (d).  Part of that kingdom is “asking God to forgive our sins/debts (e) as we also forgive others theirs (f), and/coupled being delivered from the evil [of sin and unforgiveness] instead of being tested by it to prove our genuineness” (g). <Notes> a) genitive adjective of pneuma, b) Colossians 1:9, c) 1 Corinthians 2:14, d) Matthew 7:7-8, 11; Luke 11:9-13, e) to cleanse us from all unrighteousness: 1 John 1:9, f) Matthew 5:23-24, 6:14-15, even our enemies: Matthew 5:44, lest we stand as “the judge” over others with this “log in our own eye” per Matthew 7:1-15, g) Matthew 6:12-13; Luke 11:4.

 

How much “watching and listening/hearing” should we do compared to supplication? Paul clarifies in Ephesians 6:18, “routinely be proseuchomai conversationally-praying in pas all-kinds-of kairos ‘suitable, right, seasonable, opportune seasons/occasions’ by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit and/coupled eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ this, be routinely agrupneo vigilantly-watching by-the-means-of all proskarteresis devoted-relational-perseverance and/coupled deesis supplication-prayer for all the saints.”

 

Proseuchomai conversationally-praying by trusting-relying-faith” is eido “mentally ‘seeing’ to perceive/know that God hears us” (a), addressing “the Father in Christ’s name/person/authority” (b), even trusting that we have already received it (c), confident that Jesus “will do it that the Father may be glorified in the Son” (d), especially since Jesus doesn’t have to erotao entreat our aiteo subordinate-askings to the Father for us (e). However, Jesus says we must “meno ‘remain-connect-to or co-habitate’ in Me and/coupled My directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words meno ‘remain-connect-to or co-habitate’ in you” (f) for us to be confident about receiving from God. This absolutely doesn’t mean stuffing ourselves with bible verses (g), as I was taught for so many years. It’s means akouo hearing/listening-to-understand/know Jesus through proseuche conversational-prayer!   Then we can have trusting-relying-faith that “God can do far more abundantly than we can ask or even imagine, kata down-from/according-to the dunamis dynamite-like enabling-power at work within us (h). 1 John 3:22-23 tells us we can have this confidence when we are “tereo ‘carefully watching/guarding to maintain’ God’s entole ‘universally-binding, officially-decreed commandments’ and/coupled doing those things that are pleasing to Him, and this is His [singular, compound] commandment: that we presently/ongoingly have trusting-relying-faith in the name/person/authority of His Son Jesus Christ and/coupled unconditionally-love one another, just as He [Christ] has already given us [singular] commandment” – see Only 2 Commandments. Also, proseuchomai conversationally-praying “in agreement” with others is very effective (i). <Notes> a) 1 John 5:14-15, b) John 15:16, 16:23, 24, 26, c) Mark 11:24; later, less reliable texts have “are asking for,” d) John 14:13, e) John 16:23-26, f) John 15:7, g) logos messages buried in 2000-3500 year old gramma writings compiled hundreds of years later by mere men into graphe scripture, h) Ephesians 3:20, i) Matthew 18:19.

 

Proseuche conversational-prayer also comes with a reward. We know Jesus said in His Prayer model to proseuchomai conversationally-pray privately in secret, not for show, and “your Father who sees in secret will apodidomi ‘give back from what you gave, thus return as payment to’ you” (a). Hebrews 11:6 says, “Whoever would routinely proserchomai draw near to God must have trusting-relying-faith that He presently/ongoingly exists and/coupled [that] He is a misthapodotes ‘rewarder, paying what is of due value’ to those who routinely ekzeteo diligently seek-out (b) Him.” <Notes> a) Matthew 6:4-6, 18, b) ek out-from + zeteo:  search out diligently in order to find, investigate, desire/crave, aim/strive after – yet another Hebraism for worship.

 

 

 

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Conversational Prayer – BT9

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What drawing-near, conversational-prayer is mostly NOT

 

 

 

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How do we get wisdom, understanding, and revelation from the Holy Spirit? By doing what Paul and others did – being devoted to proseuche conversational-prayer!  This is really the only way we can personally “fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our trusting-relying-faith” (a) and skopeo “fix our attention’ on the unseen things” of heaven in order to “not lose heart” (b). This focus of proseuche conversational-prayer is the essence of trusting-relying-faith and hope, keeping our eyes forward and not looking back, as Lot’s wife did upon Sodom and Gomorrah as God was destroying them, turning her into a pillar of salt (c). <Notes> a) Hebrews 12:2, b) 2 Corinthians 4:16-18, c) Genesis 19:26.

 

But what exactly is proseuche conversational-prayer? It’s really sad that so many English translations treat all the many completely-different-in-kind Greek words for our conversation with God practically the same by lumping them into the words “prayer” or “pray.”  However, some words focus on man, others on God – some on the monologue of our speaking TO God, but many more on the dialogue of God speaking WITH us. Now we’ll explore the ‘monologue’ words!

 

The main word used for a monologue TO God is deesis “supplication in which we make our personal requests or petitions of need to God.” For many Christians and churches, that’s all prayer turns out to be!  The NT uses the word 18 times for supplication to God so we won’t be “anxious about anything but also with eucharistia thanksgiving, by offering our aitema petitions to God” (a), just as Jesus did with “loud cries and tears,” and us doing so even by the means of the Spirit. According to the NT, this supplication should include:  remembering/interceding for other Christians for deliverance and healing, for Israel’s peace and salvation, and for “all people, including rulers and all those in authority for peaceful lives in godliness and honesty” (b), especially because “the eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous and His ears open to their supplication” (c). And the NT says Christians are “the righteous, who are filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ,” because of living by trusting-relying-faith in Jesus Christ, the only Holy and Righteous One (d), thus ending and abolishing the Law that defined righteousness (e). <Notes> a) Philippians 4:6, b) 1 Timothy 2:1-2, c) 1 Peter 3:12 citing Psalms 34:15 “their cry”, d) Acts 3:14, 7:52, 22:14; Romans 1:17, 3:22, 5:17-19, 10:6; 1 Corinthians 1:30; Galatians 2:20, 3:11; Philippians 1:11, 3:9; Hebrews 10:38; 1 Peter 3:18; 2 Peter 1:1; 1 John 2:1, e) Romans 10:4; Galatians 2:21; Ephesians 2:15; Colossians 2:14; Hebrews 7:18, 8:13.

 

The Greek word deomai is the verb form of deesis above, meaning “to want out of lack, to desire or long for out of need, to entreat, plead or beg for, thus to supplicate out of recognized need,” used only 9 times concerning prayer. Christians are to entreat God to send out workers into His harvest (a), and at all times being watchfully-alert and/coupled entreating God to have strength to escape the judgments to come (b) – we will see in a later BLOG about “watching in prayer.”  Deomai is also used of Christ’s supplicating for Peter’s trusting-relying-faith not to fail” (c) and Peter telling Simon the magician to repent/turn-to and/coupled plead/beg the Lord to forgive his attempt to buy the Holy Spirit’s enabling-power (d) – can you see the need to surrender-control in prayer?  It is used of Cornelius, a God-fearing man, who supplicated to God regularly (e) and of Paul’s pleading/begging to God to visit the Roman church (f), like Paul’s team pleading/begging God night and day to see the Thessalonian church in person (g).  We may not even know it’s the will of God but out of our great need, we are hoping it is, like the Christians who pleaded/begged to God for boldness to preach the gospel logos message and found out it was God’s will because they were then Spirit-baptized with enabling-power to do what they just prayed for (h).  Many deesis/deomai prayers are NOT answered because the person’s monologue excluded finding out from God whether it’s even His will what they are praying for, because that takes the dialogue of proseuche conversational-prayer.  Monologue-type prayer can really be ‘hit or miss’ and unanswered prayers of this type discourage many people from praying! <Notes> a) Matthew 9:38; Luke 10:2, b) Luke 21:36, c) Luke 22:32, d) Acts 8:22- 24, e) Acts 10:2, f) Romans 1:10, g) 1 Thessalonians 3:10, h) Acts 4:31.

 

Another Greek verb erotao is used to mean: “to form a question, ask, request, entreat, or even beg” as often used concerning supplication.  It is used only 5 times in the NT:  of Jesus “entreating the Father to send the Holy Spirit” (a), of Jesus “entreating the Father to NOT take His disciples out of the world” (b), and of Jesus “entreating NOT only on their behalf but also on the behalf of all those who will have trusting-relying-faith” (c).  Once again you can see that Jesus had that questioning, subservient attitude of “Not My will but Thy will be done” (d), but there is a confident-assuredness implied that this is the will of God.  Erotao is also used of a Christian’s confident-requests of the Father in Christ’s name/authority – there’s the source of our confidence – that are answered directly by the Father, not as a request by Jesus to the Father in our behalf (e) that is another kind of prayer called intercession.  Note this is somewhat synonymous with aiteo below:  Christians can certainly aiteo ‘subordinately ask/petition’ God to grant zoe genuine-life to another Christian found in sin as long as it isn’t currently life-threatening (f), but John isn’t telling them to eroteo entreat God concerning life-threatening sin (g) (h).  Again, it seems that eroteo has more confident-assuredness than aiteo subordinate-asking. <Notes> a) John 14:16, b) John 17:15, c) John 17:20, d) Luke 22:42, cf. John 5:30, 6:38, e) John 16:23-26, f) in other words, you have time to ongoingly ‘aiteo ask’ for deliverance from their sin, g) it’s time to act, for you to help, not go home to ‘aiteo ask’ God to help, h) 1 John 5:16.

 

However, the Greek noun euche by itself has much less ‘confident-assuredness’ because it means “a wish expressed as a petition to God” but in James 5:15 the euche wish-petition of/belonging-to The-Trusting-Relying-Faith would eliminate any such doubt, and this would heal the sick.  However, it can also mean “a vow that obligates oneself” as in Acts 18:18, 21:23.  When the prefix pros meaning “towards and interacting with another, or before another in time or place, even of bending or lying prostrate before” is added to euche to create proseuche, the meaning is thus greatly intensified and expanded, which we will talk about in the next BLOG, but you can still see the surrendering-control aspect to God we see both in euche and proseuche.

 

The Greek verb from of euche is euchomai, meaning “to wish, will, or wish-petition,” used only 5 times in the NT:  of Paul’s shipmates lost in a storm at night where they dragged 4 anchors from their ship fearing that they would run aground into the rocks, wish-petitioning for the day to come [to be able to see the rocks]” (a).  It’s used of Paul wish-petitioning that the Corinthian church wouldn’t do wrong but instead what is right, being strong, and thus restored (b).  It’s used of John wish-petitioning for his friend Gaius that all will go well with him, for good health, even with his soul (c).  It’s used of Paul defending himself before King Agrippa concerning his gospel of bodily resurrection, a doctrine that the Jewish king should agree with, so he isn’t embarrassed to preach this truth of Christ’s resurrection and for the king to be a Christian whether in a short or long time.  In fact, he wish-petitions to God that ALL who were hearing him that day would become like him, except for these chains (d). Based on its limited usage, and the element of doubt because it’s so difficult to have trusting-relying-faith about it as in James 5:15 above for euche, maybe a bulk of our praying should be more than just wish-petitioning? <Notes> a) Acts 27:29, b) 2 Corinthians 13:7, 9, c) 3 John 2, d) Acts 26:29.

 

The Greek noun form of aiteo below is aitema and thus refers to “a specificpetition or request for a specific thing, either of God or man, but from a subordinate position,” used only 3 times in the NT:  The Jews’ specific-subordinately-asked-petition of Pilate to crucify Christ (a), and of Paul encouraging Christians: “Be anxious about nothing but through proseuche conversational-prayer and/coupled deesis supplication-prayer [both together] with eucharistia thanksgiving, let your specific-subordinately-asked-petitions be made gnorizo experientially, relationally known to God” (b) – yes, there is a place of monologue within dialogue as long as it is in kononia relationship with God.  Finally, John tells us that “This is the confidence that we have toward God:  If we should aiteo subordinately-ask anything kata down-from/according-to His will, [then] He presently/ongoingly akouo listens/hears-to-understand/know us, and/coupled then-if we eido mentally ‘see’ to perceive/know that He akouo listens/hears-to-understand/know us, [then] if whatever we might aiteo subordinately-ask, [then] we have already [with ongoing results] eido mentally ‘seen’ to perceive/know that we echo hold-to-have those aitema specificpetitions that we have already [with ongoing results] aiteo subordinately-asked from Him” (c).  But that’s the trick isn’t it – you have to know beyond a shadow of doubt that your aitema specific-subordinately-asked-petitions are “down-from/according-to His will” or you “must in-possibility-NOT suppose that he will lambano ‘grab hold of to receive’ anything from the Lord” (d).  But how are you going to know this unless you akouo hear-to-understand/know from the Lord His will in proseuche conversational-prayer – see also New Covenant Ways – BT16.  Without this, much of our aiteo subordinate-asking isn’t being answered by God because we are so self-centered in our asking (e). <Notes> a) Luke 23:24, b) Philippians 4:6, c) 1 John 5:14-15, d) James 1:6-8, cf. Matthew 21:21, e) James 4:2-3.

 

Now the most common word for petitioning is the Greek verb aiteo, meaning “to ask or petition from a subordinate position, to willfully crave, call or cry out for, require or demand, or beg for?” It’s used in the NT only 27 times:  of Christians strongly-urged to ongoingly be subordinately-asking the-one-routinely-giving-God for wisdom, but subordinately-asking in/by/with trusting-relying-faith thus without doubting, and “it shall actually be given to him kai and/because” this “one-routinely-giving-God’ does so “to ALL generously and/coupled in-possibility-NOT finding fault” (a).  “The subordinately-asking for wisdom” is one of the few explicitly-stated prayers that God will always answer – that’s exactly what Solomon did and “it pleased the Lord that Solomon had shaal/aiteo subordinately-asked this, saying ‘Because you have asked THIS . . . behold I now do according to your dabar/rhema directly-spoken-words, behold I give you a wise and discerning mind greater than all before or after you.  I give you also what you have not shaal/aiteo subordinately-asked, both riches and honor, so that no other king king shall compare with you in all your days’ ” (b).  Solomon didn’t fall into the asking-trap James warns of: “you presently/ongoingly are absolutely-in-fact-NOT echo ‘holding to have’ because you presently/ongoingly are in-possibility-NOT subordinately-asking,” and “if you are presently/ongoingly subordinately-asking kai then you absolutely-in-fact-NOT presently/ongoingly lambano ‘grabbing hold of to receive’ because you wrongly are presently/ongoingly subordinately-asking in order that you might ‘spend or squander’ in/by/with your-own passions” (c).  If Solomon would have asked for the other things that God gave to him, he would have got nothing. The whole ‘name it and claim it faith movement’ is bogus! <Notes> a) James 1:5-6, b) 1 Kings 3:5, 7-13, c) James 4:2-3.

 

Nevertheless, aiteo is used of subordinately-asking the Father directly in Christ’s name/authority to lambano ‘grabbing hold of to receive’ (a) or “directly subordinately-asking Jesus in His name/authority” (b), but do you really want to involve Christ’s authority in something that’s not God’s will?  We already saw above that John says we can only have confidence before God:  “This is the confidence that we have toward God:  If we should aiteo subordinately-ask anything kata down-from/according-to His will, [then] He presently/ongoingly akouo listens/hears-to-understand/know us, and/coupled then-if we eido mentally ‘see’ to perceive/know that He akouo listens/hears-to-understand/know us, [then] if whatever we might aiteo subordinately-ask, [then] we have already [with ongoing results] eido mentally ‘seen’ to perceive/know that we echo hold-to-have those aitema specificpetitions that we have already [with ongoing results] aiteo subordinately-asked from Him” (c).  The question really is whether we have that eido prophetic-visionary knowledge from God?   Martha had this kind of confidence by involving Christ in the possible raising of her brother Lazarus from the dead:  “Even now I eido mentally ‘see’ to perceive/know that whatever you subordinately-ask from God, God will give you” (d).  John also gives us this confidence:  “If whatever we might be presently/ongoingly aiteo subordinately-asking [then] we presently/ongoingly actually are lambano ‘grabbing hold of to receive’ from Him [only] because we presently/ongoingly actually are tereo carefully-watching/guarding-to-maintain The Entole ‘officially-decreed, universally-binding commandments’ of Him (e) and/coupled we presently/ongoingly poieo do to make occur’ the things pleasing before Him” (f).  It’s that simple! <Notes> a) John 16:23, 24, 26, 15:16, b) John 14:13-14, c) 1 John 5:14-15, d) John 11:22, e) there are only 2 commandments in context, integrated into 1, per v. 3:23, of trusting-relying-faith and/coupled unconditional-loving, f) 1 John 3:22.

 

Jesus preached the same confidence: “Whatever we might definitively/wholly subordinately-ask by-the-means-of proseuchomai conversationally-praying, [if] we routinely have trusting-relying-faith, then we shall actually lambano ‘grab hold of to receive’ it” (a).  Christ only gives us this confidence if:  “you meno abide/remain/live in Me and/coupled My directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words (b) meno abide/remain/live in you” (c).  If we have the same goal as Christ does:  “I chose you and/coupled appointed you that you should go and/coupled bear fruit and/coupled that your fruit should meno abide/remain/live” then we can also have this confidence: “so whatever you might definitively/wholly subordinately-ask the Father in My name/authority, [then] He might definitively/wholly give it to you” (d).  There’s also enabling-power in numbers, just as the evidence of 2-3 witnesses are needed for just judgments (e), when 2-3 Christians are gathered in Christ’s name/authority insuring Christ’s presence so that if even if two sumphoneo ‘agree harmoniously together like a symphony’ about-about any matter, if they definitively/wholly subordinately-ask [then] it shall actually ginomai ‘come into being or birthed’ for them para from-close-beside My Father, the [One] in [singular] Heavens” (f). <Notes> a) Matthew 21:22; cf. Mark 11:24, b) these are not written logos messages, even of the gospel, and definitely not graphe OT scripture of gramma writings that can only produce gnosis informational-knowledge of the bible, c) John 15:7, d) John 15:16, e) Deuteronomy 17:6, 19:15; Hebrews 10:28; Matthew 18:16; 2 Corinthians 13:1; 1 Timothy 5:19, f) Matthew 18:19.

 

In ‘The Lord’s Prayer’ model follow-up teaching about prayer, Jesus strongly urges using the imperative: “Ongoingly subordinately-ask and it shall [some indefinite future time] actually be given . . . [same for seeking and knocking] . . . for everyone who routinely is subordinately-asking actually, ongoingly lambano ‘grabs hold of to receive’.”  We have to have trusting-relying-faith that “the Father shall actually give good things to those who are routinely subordinately-asking Him” (a), where Jesus clarifies what these are referring to: “give the Holy Spirit to them that routinely ask Him” (b), who then gives the “good things” to the Church, this being the grace-gifts of/belonging to the Holy Spirit (c). <Notes> a) Matthew 7:7-8, 11; Luke 11:9-11, b) Luke 11:13, cf. Acts 2:38, 10:45; Hebrews 6:4, c) Ephesians 4:8; Hebrews 2:4.

 

Finally, Paul has confidence that “God can do far more by His enabling-power than we can subordinately-ask or even imagine” (a).  Therefore, Paul’s team ceaselessly routinely proseuchomai conversationally-prays to God and/coupled routinely subordinately-asking to fill the Colossians with the genuine, experiential, relational epignosis knowledge of God’s will by-the-means-of pas ‘all-kinds-of’ wisdom and/coupled understanding (b) Spirit (c).  We already saw John encouraging Christians to aiteo ‘subordinately ask/petition’ God to grant zoe genuine-life to another Christian found in sin as long as it isn’t currently life-threatening (d), but John isn’t telling them to eroteo entreat God concerning life-threatening sin (e) (f).  From all this study, we can see that our monologue of relaying our craving, our needs, our requiring, our begging, and our demands as subordinately-asking from God can be within the practice of proseuchomai conversational-praying, but we will find that the latter involves much more of a dialogue where we listen more than talk! <Notes> a) Ephesians 3:20, b) adjectively: that belongs to the Spirit, thus Spirit-kind-of, c) Colossians 1:9, d) in other words, you have time to ongoingly ‘aiteo ask’ for deliverance from their sin, e) it’s time to act, for you to help, not go home to ‘aiteo ask’ God to help, f) 1 John 5:16.

 

Proseuche conversational-prayer is so much more than asking, petitioning, wishing, our giving or supplications to God.  Proseuche conversational-prayer doesn’t necessarily involve petition or supplication, though this asking can certainly happen during it (a), as with petitions to remember Christians (b), for travel (c), and for needs to be met to give us hope (d). This is in keeping with the trusting-relying-faith we see that Paul has in proseuche conversational-prayer for practically everything in Christianity (e). <Notes> a) Matthew 21:22; Mark 11:24; Romans 1:10; Philippians 4:6; Colossians 1:9, b) Ephesians 1:16; 1 Thessalonians 1:2; Philemon 1:4; Romans 15:30; Acts 12:5; Colossians 4:12, c) Philemon 1:22; Romans 1:10, d) 1 Timothy 5:5, e) Ephesians 1:15- 16, 3:14, 6:18; Romans 1:10, 8:26, 10:1, 15:30; 1 Corinthians 7:5, 11:4-5, 13; 2 Corinthians 1:11, 9:14, 13:7-9; Philippians 1:3, 4, 9, 1:19, 4:2; Colossians 1:3, 9, 4:3, 12; 1 Thessalonians 1:2, 3:10, 5:25; 2 Thessalonians 1:11, 3:1; 1 Timothy 2:1, 8, 4:5, 5:5; 2 Timothy 1:3; Philemon 1:4, 6, 22.

 

However sadly, many Christians think that proseuche conversational-prayer is primarily giving God our needful requests or begging pleas, as “God-fearing” Jews often did (a), when that is what supplication entirely is as we saw above, even though it is important to do so “with thanksgiving” in order to “not be anxious about anything” (b), especially to petition God to send out workers (c), before going on a mission (d), or for boldness to preach the gospel logos message (e). Nevertheless, proseuche conversational-prayer than aiteo/aitema subordinate-asking that can be synonymous with deomai/deesis supplication (f), though we need to still confidently eido ‘see’ to perceive-to-understand/know what is God is hearing from us (g).  Proseuche conversational-prayer is more than erotao entreating, even if confidently because it’s in Christ’s name/authority (h). Proseuche conversational-prayer is certainly more than euche wish-petition God, even if with trusting-relying-faith to heal the sick and deliver them from sin (i) or the verb form euchomai used to wish-petition during frightening storms that you won’t die (j). <Notes> a) Acts 10:2, b) Philippians 4:6, c) Matthew 9:38; Luke 10:2, d) Romans 1:10, e) Acts 4:31, f) Philippians 4:6, g) 1 John 5:14-15, h) John 16:23-26, i) James 5:15, cf. 3 John 2, j) Acts 13:7, 9.

 

‘Asking’ prayer has a lot of qualifications in order to be answered.  We’ve already touched on some of this.  Jesus says “you shall receive if you remain/dwell in Me and/coupled My directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words remain/dwell in you” (a) and especially in order to bear fruit for God (b).  James says, “You ask and do not receive because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your own passions” (c).  John says, “This is the confidence that we have toward Him, that if we ask anything down-from/according-to His will He hears us, and if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, then we know that we have the requests that we have asked of Him” (d). Jesus teaches much about what to “seek/strive foremost” and what to “treasure in our hearts” – it’s not our “stuff” to “worry about” or to “seek/strive after like the godless Gentiles do” but for “the kingdom of God and His righteousness” (e) and to be “laying up treasures in heaven not on earth” (f) and to be “serving God not money” (g), which is, as Paul says, just “setting your mind on things of the flesh” rather than “things of the Spirit” (h), for the “cravings of the flesh oppose the cravings of the Spirit” (i). Instead we are “not to be anxious about our lives” (j), but to have trusting-relying-faith in God to meet our “daily bread” needs (k), knowing that “your Father knows what you need before you ask Him” (l). The very last thing Jesus said we should ask for ‘Lord’s Prayer model,’ the last thing is that is often a recap of the first thing as every good speaker does, is routinely ask the Father for “the good things/grace-gift of the Holy Spirit” (m), which is the “how-to” enabling-power for the first thing we ask for “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done” (n). <Notes> a) John 15:7, b) John 15:16, c) James 4:3, d) 1 John 5:14, e) Matthew 6:32-33, f) Matthew 6:19-20, g) or the things it can buy: Matthew 6:24; Luke 16:13, h) Romans 8:5, i) Galatians 5:17, j) Matthew 6:25, 31, 34; Luke 12:22, 26, k) Matthew 6:11; Luke 11:3; Philippians 4:6, l) Matthew 6:8, m) Matthew 7:11; Luke 11:13, n) Matthew 6:10; Luke 11:2.

 

Just as the religion of the Jews had turned God’s “house of proseuche conversational-prayer” (a) into something else – even a market place (b), the religion of church-ianity and even bible translation has turned much of biblical prayer from a proseuche conversational-prayer dialogue into primarily a monologue of many Greek words for giving God our ‘shopping list’ or ‘honey-do list.’  However, we will see the NT uses of proseuche/proseuchomai dialogue-prayer far outweigh all uses by all words combined for monologue-prayer.  Yet, you would never know because of most of our English bible translations.  There is something wrong with this – see Bible Info. Because of this many Christians think of God as a ‘cosmic vending machine’ or a ‘cosmic Santa Clause,’ when this is hardly the NT view of even the relatively few mentions of monologue-prayer!  Can you imagine how you would feel if every time your kids came up to you, it was simply to ask for something?  Well, let’s look more into what biblical prayer really is! <Notes> a) Acts 3:1, b) Matthew 21:13; Mark 11:17; Luke 19:46; John 2:16.

 

 

 

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Conversational Prayer – BT8

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Conversational-prayer includes proserchomai drawing near, even eggizo very close-beside to God Himself

 

 

 

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See also Conversational-Prayer – BT4 for seeking God Himself and not just His stuff or help.

 

Proserchomai “drawing near” is a Hebraism for “seeking an audience with, approaching, inquiring of, calling on to visit, or being heard by” God, thus a Hebraism for worship, and so closely akin in spelling and meaning to proseuchomai conversational-prayer and proskuneo worship.  It was the way prophets heard from God (a) and the way the people should listen to the prophets to hear from God (b), the way priests ministered to God (c).  This was the careful way people were to listen to God in the Jewish Temple, which was supposed to be a “house of God, [people] ready to akouo ‘hear/listen to understand/know’” (d) instead of a “house of trade” or “den of robbers” (e).  People weren’t supposed to just ‘give lip-service’ to an OT commandment to worship/fear God (f), as Isaiah 29:13 says:  “This people draws near with their mouth and/coupled honors Me with their lips, while their hearts are far from Me, and/coupled their reverential-fear of Me is [only] a commandment taught by men.” Instead Isaiah 58:2 says that it should be:  “My people . . . they zeteo diligently-seek (g) Me daily and/coupled delight to daath prophetically or ginosko experientially, relationally know My ways, . . . they ask Me to make just decrees of judgment; they delight to draw near to God.” Can’t you see so many elements of prayer in here:  delight in getting near God and His ways? <Notes> a) 1 Samuel 14:37, b) Isaiah 34:1, 48:16, c) Ezekiel 43:19, d) Ecclesiastes 5:1, e) John 2:16; Matthew 21:13; Mark 11:17; Luke 19:46, f) Exodus 20:3-5, 34:14, g) zeteo: frequently pursue, diligently search, crave, and worship.

 

Proseuchomai conversationally-praying is only 1 letter difference from the Hebraism of proserchomai “drawing near to God to worship.”  Hebrews 11:6 warns and promises: “Without trusting-relying-faith it is impossible to please God, for whoever would routinely proserchomai draw near to Him must have trusting-relying-faith that He exists (that He is really there to ‘call on to visit’) and that He rewards those who routinely ekzeteo diligently-seek-out (a) Him.” It certainly does take trusting-relying-faith to “listen for the voice” of God and “delight to draw near to God” (b) – a lot more than just doing bible-study! <Notes> a) ek out-from + zeteo:  search out diligently in order to find, investigate, desire/crave, aim/strive after – yet another Hebraism for worship, b) Zephaniah 3:1.

 

Drawing-near to God, whether by eggizo or proserchomai, is indeed Hebrew idiom for “seeking, inquiring of, calling on, hearing, delighting in, and ministering to” God through “reverential, trusting, heart-felt, listening, attentive, proseuche conversational-prayer” as we see throughout the OT:  1 Samuel 14:37; the way to minister to God per Ezekiel 43:19; prayer in the house of God more important than foolish sacrifices per Ecclesiastes 5:1; more important than lip-service and blindly following man-taught commandments per Isaiah 29:13; important to actually hear the Lord per Isaiah 34:1 and 48:16, which is what God’s zeteo diligently-seeking and delighting people do per Isaiah 58:2; but rebellious people won’t listen or have trusting-relying-faith either per Zephaniah 3:1; Psalms 145:18 promises “The Lord is near to all who call on Him” and people experienced this per Lamentations 3:57.

 

In proseuche conversational-prayer James 4:6-8 strongly-urges us to eggizodraw extremely close-beside’ God” by “definitively/wholly hupotasso ‘voluntarily submitting, yielding or falling in line behind a commander’ to God” in order for “God to eggizodraw extremely close-beside’ to you” in order to receive “the present/ongoing giving of unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace from Him to those who are lowly/humble.”  This is how we definitively/wholly anthistemi ‘stand against or opposed to, to resist’ the devil kai and/thus he shall indeed flee from you.”  Otherwise, “God anthistemi ‘stand against or opposed to, to resist’ the proud/arrogant.” It all belongs together in the Greek – I’ve heard some strange doctrines from people pulling verses out of context!

 

Likewise Hebrews 11:6 says: “Without trusting-relying-faith it is impossible to please God, for whoever would proserchomai draw near to God must have trusting-relying-faith that He is presently/ongoingly exists and/coupled is presently/ongoingly a Rewarder to those who zeteo diligently-seek Him” – yet another Hebrew idiom for worshipful prayer!   Hebrews 4:15 says, “Because we have a high priest that can sympathize with our weaknesses, having been tempted in every respect but without sin, let us then confidently proserchomai draw near to the throne of unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace.”  Bible verses from the 97.4% of the OT that is Law-based – see Logos Word of God – BT5a – sure won’t help us with holiness, as Hebrews 7:19, 25 says:  “The Law made nothing perfect, but we have been given a better hope through which we presently/ongoingly eggizodraw extremely close-beside’ to God.”  Hebrews 10:21-22 says “Since having a great priest ove the house of God we should presently/ongoingly proserchomai draw near with a sincere-truthful heart by the means of the full assurance of trusting-relying-faith.” Hebrews 7:24-25, since Christ “holds His priesthood permanently . . . He is able to save to the uttermost those who presently/ongoingly proserchomai draw near to God through Him, since Christ lives forever to make intercession for them.”

 

Can you see how “devoted, heart-felt, humble seeking, drawing near, attentive listening in reverential awe, calling on, and delighting in the Lord” are all one-in-the-same “proseuche conversational-prayer” and this does indeed require trusting-relying-faith that God is there to be found and that it’s worth the time and effort to daily practice this habit?

 

I can’t overemphasize that Jesus is the better Way than the OT to the Father as Hebrews 7:19-25 says:  giving us a “better hope through which we presently/ongoingly eggizo draw extremely-near (a) to God,” because “Jesus is the guarantor of a [exceedingly] better [New] covenant . . . and because He holds His priesthood permanently since He is eternal, He is able to save to the uttermost those who proserchomai draw near to God [the Father] through Him [Christ] since He lives forever to make intercession for them.”  Hebrews 4:15-16 says “we have a high priest who is able to sympathized with our feeble-impotent-weaknesses . . . so let us confidently-boldly proserchomai  draw near to the throne of unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace to received mercy and find unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace to help in our time of need.” Reading and studying the Law of commandments will only destroy our confidence!  <Notes> a) eggizo: bring extremely near or close-beside, approach to join.

 

Hebrews 10:1, 19-22 says, “For since the Law has [contained in it] but a skia backward-shadow (a) of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can NEVER . . . make complete-perfect those who routinely proserchomai draw near . . . NOW we have bold-confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, by the kainos ‘completely-different-in-kind New’ and Living Way that He [Christ] opened for us through the [separating] curtain (b), that is, through His [Christ’s] flesh, and/coupled since we have a great Priest [Christ] over the House of God (c), let us presently/ongoingly proserchomai draw near with a true [sincere] heart in full assurance of trusting-relying-faith – with our hearts sprinkled clean (d) from an evil [sinful soul] conscience and/coupled our bodies [sinful flesh] washed with pure water (e).” Unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace, not Law, is our ticket! <Notes> a) skia: shade cast backward from an object, cf. Hebrews 8:5, Colossians 2:8, b) into the Holy of Holies, God’s presence, c) Christ’s Body, the Church, is NOW the house or temple of God:  Ephesians 2:19, 22; 1 Timothy 3:15; 1 Peter 2:5, 4:17; 1 Corinthians 3:16, 6:19; 2 Corinthians 6:16, d) ceremonially purified by sacrificial blood, e) ceremonially of OT ablutions and water-baptism but likely also a reference to Christian water-baptism.

 

Psalms 145:18 gives us a great promise: “The Lord is qarob/eggus near to all who call on Him . . . in truth,” and Lamentations 3:57 says, “You qarab/eggizodrew extremely-near or close-beside’ when I called on You.” James 4:6-8 echoes this: “God stands-firmly-in-opposition-to (a) the proud but gives unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace to the lowly/humble. Submit-by-falling-in-line (b) yourselves therefore to God . . . [definitively/wholly] eggizodraw extremely-near or close-beside’ to God, and He will [then] eggizodraw extremely-near or close-beside’ to you.” In the missing . . . verse, James says, “stand-against (c) the devil, kai and/then he will flee from you,” but I’ve always heard this taken out of context to mean, “fight against the temptations of sinful passions.” However, in all likelihood, James isn’t jumping all around with his train of thought.  More likely, James is saying ‘stand against’ the devil’s temptations to keep you from eggizodraw extremely-near to God in proseuche conversational-prayer, his temptations for you to be too proud to admit that we desperately need God, his temptations for you to not be humbly teachable to listen to God, and not voluntarily fall in line behind God as Supreme Commander.  If we don’t ‘stand against’ Satan, then God’s ‘stands firmly against’ us!<Notes> a) antitassomai: stands at a post firmly against, resists, b) hupotasso:  voluntarily yield, or fall in line behind a commander, c) anthistemi: stand against.

 

 

 

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Conversational Prayer – BT7

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What proseuchomai conversational-praying exactly IS

 

 

 

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Proseuche/proseuchomai conversationally-prayer seems to be the clear emphasis of the NT, fully eclipsing all other Greek words used for prayer. Although these 2 words can include the ideas of a one-way conversation or monologue of wishing, asking, entreating, petitioning, or supplicating, or even the attitudes of child-like confident trust or self-deprecating humility, or even grateful thanksgiving that the others words for prayer focus on, these 2 words evidently include much, much, much more:  1)worshipful devotion” (according to Vines) and more importantly, 2) “an exchange (pros) of wishes (euche) towards or facing (pros) one another.”

 

In other words, this kind of prayer is a dialogue conversation WITH God “immediately before and facing Him” (pros), hence involves “adoration, devotion, and worship” that is in itself an “offering to God.” In early Greek, a physical offering was brought to make the prayer more acceptable to God, but later the prayer itself became the acceptable offering.  Www.preceptaustin.org also notes that Vines indicates that “proseuchomai/proseuche carries with it a notion of worship that is not present in the other words involving supplication. Thus, this kind of prayer is meant to bring us face to face or in close, relational contact with God.” Www.renner.org recognizes this kind of prayer “demands surrender, consecration/sanctification/holiness, and thanksgiving from us as we come face to face with God.” Www.hebrew-streams.org recognizes that “Jewish apostolic worship can be discerned by focusing on words such as prayer (predominantly proseuche and proseuchomai in that section), praise, thanksgiving, blessing, and on the content of hymns.”

 

Biblical prayer uses the Greek verb form proseuchomai nearly 3 times more than the noun proseuche, actually 86 times in the NT, and together with proseuche is used nearly 2 times more than all the other words in the previous BLOG for the monologue of asking, petition, entreaty, or supplication combined. That should tell you something about the priority of having a prayer-dialogue WITH God instead of a prayer-monologue AT God.  As before, I will just include the key verses here.

 

Jesus is our example of proseuchomai prayer:  frequently withdrawing to the wilderness (a), getting up very early in deserted places (b), going up into quiet mountains (c), where He was once transfigured (d), proseuchomai conversationally-praying the whole night (e), proseuchomai conversationally-praying in a mountain garden in anguish (f).  Jesus blessed children with hands and proseuche conversational-prayed for them (g).  Jesus “told His disciples a parable to the effect that they ought always to proseuchomai conversationally-pray and/coupled not lose heart,” using an illustration of a widow that keeps coming to a judge to demand justice, where the judge gives into her saying “because this widow keeps bothering me, I will give her justice.” Jesus then asks, “Will not God give justice to His elect, who cry to Him day and night?” (h) – see also Obedient Steps of Faith – BT16.  Jesus told His sleepy disciples, “proseuchomai conversationally-pray so that you will not fall into temptation” (i).  Jesus was trained by God to prayer;  In Isaiah 50:4-7, God says He will given His future Messiah a skilled tongue to train [as with little children], personally training His Messiah-Servant to sustain a logos message to the weary. How? Every morning God woke Him, waking His ear to really akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know God’s teaching as a true disciple. Not only was Christ equipped to teach well, but was also helped to not turn back, always confidently going forward despite great suffering and disgrace. If we do the same, we will not get the same results? Can you see the key words above: “frequently, deserted or quiet places, all night, every morning, ought always to do so, demanding, insisting, even bothering, crying out all day and night, all in order to withstand temptation and to really akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know God in order to be a disciple?” Jesus is our example to follow!  <Notes> a) Luke 5:16, b) Mark 1:35, c) Matthew 14:23, d) Luke 9:28-29, e) Luke 6:12, f) Luke 22:41, 44; Matthew 26:35, 36, 39, 42, g) Matthew 19:13, h) Luke 18:1-7, i) Luke 22:40; Matthew 26:41; Mark 14:38; Luke 22:46.

 

‘The Lord’s Prayer’ is also a model of how Jesus proseuchomai conversationally-prayed (a), not a teaching on how to recite a 5-minute prayer like a religious ritual, for certainly this constitutes the warning Christ gave about prayer: “Now-when/if routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying in-possibility-NOT definitively/wholly battalogeo ‘chatter many repetitions of logos words/messages’ (b) just as the pagans, for they suppose that in/by/with their polulogia ‘many logos words/messages eisakouo ‘they shall actually be heard/listened-to in order to be understood/known’.  Therefore, in-possibility-NOT be like them, for God, your Father, already [with ongoing results] eido mentally ‘sees’ to perceive/know what things you echo hold-to-have need of before this aiteo subordinate-asking Him” (c).” Yet, that’s what I hear in so many churches – religious babble of recitation of ‘The Lord’s Prayer,’ but how is that any different from pagan Catholic recitation in so many of their rituals or the Muslim prayers or the Hindu mantras?  <Notes> a) Matthew 26:44; Luke 11:1, 2, Matthew 6:9, b) battalogeo:  “blubber/chatter many, long-winded, empty/idle/vain, nonsensical repetitions of logos messages like King Battus of Cyrene who stuttered or the author Battus of tedious, wordy poems,” c) Matthew 6:7-8.

 

Instead Jesus simply gave us an outline HOW to proseuchomai conversationally-pray – even if all night long (a) or every early-morning (b) as also King David often practiced (c):  1) HOW to first show humble adoring worship of God, 2) HOW to then desire God’s kingdom will to be done on earth as it already is in heaven, 3) HOW to aiteo subordinate-ask for our physical needs to be met but NOT in a “vain repetitious manner as the pagans do, because “God, your Father, already [with ongoing results] eido mentally ‘sees’ to perceive/know what things you echo hold-to-have need of before this aiteo subordinate-asking Him.”  However, this asking for God to “grant us today the bread, the daily, of/belonging-to us” very well may have nothing to do with our physical needs, but instead refer to Jesus Christ Himself because “I AM presently/ongoing the bread of zoe genuine-life that came down from heaven . . . whoever feeds on this bread will zoa genuinely-live forever” (d).  Or it could refer to Christ’s prophetic rhema words that are presently/ongoingly Spirit and/coupled zoe genuine-life” (e), that is “every prophetic rhema words that comes from the mouth of God that man shall zoa genuinely-live by and absolutely-in-fact-NOT by [physical] bread alone” (f).  Christ’s subsequent teaching on prayer does seem to be leading us away from praying for even our physical needs (g) that is explored further below, 4) HOW to ask for God to forgive our sin, implying confession, 5) HOW to decide right here and now to also forgive other peoples’ sins against us since this definitely hinders our forgiveness of our sins and/or our receiving forgiveness and healing and the effectiveness of our proseuche conversational-prayers (h), and finally 6) being kept from peirasmos  ‘testing/trials/temptation that try our character to see if genuine’  but-instead by delivered from the evil [one].”  <Notes> a) Luke 6:12, b) Isaiah 50:4, c) Psalms 63:1, d) John 6:35, 41, 48, 51, 58, e) John 6:63, f) Jesus in Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4 likely remembering the logos message He gave to Moses, since He is the “Logos Word/Message of God that became flesh” per John 1:1, 14, g) Matthew 6:19-34, h) Matthew 5:23-25, cf. 1 Peter 3:7.

 

But Jesus taught elsewhere on HOW to pray:  1) HOW to proseuchomai conversationally-pray secretly and not hypocritically for show (a), 2) HOW to proseuchomai conversationally-pray for our enemies (b), and 3) by thru several illustrations HOW to not give up in our supplication, but persevering by routinely (c) be aiteo subordinately-asking (d) UNTIL we receive and knocking on His door UNTIL it is opened. These absolutely are not passive, casual, intermittent, nonchalant actions! Are we spending enough time waiting, watching, and listening in worshiping, submitting, begging, pleading, even demanding, forgiving, and incessantly-knocking proseuche conversational-prayer for koinonia fellowship, deliverance, and enabling-power?  I know that I’m not! <Notes> a) Matthew 6:6, b) Matthew 5:44, c) Jesus always uses the present active participle to stress routine, habitual action on our part, d) aiteo: subordinately ask, petition, crave, call or cry out for, require or demand, or beg for.

 

Jesus taught even more on HOW to pray!  He strongly-urged “presently/ongoingly zeteo diligently-seek (a) foremost the kingdom of God and/coupled His righteousness, kai and/thus all these things will be added to you” (b), but doesn’t in context “these things” mean all the “treasures that are stored up” (c) that “the nations/peoples epizeteo intensely-seek” (b)?  But that’s what the ‘name it claim it’ Faith movement would have you believe that Christians should now use God to get, like He is a ‘cosmic vending machine or Santa Clause.’  NO! In context, Jesus tells His disciples to instead “Lay up treasures in heaven” (d), because your “treasures” indicate where your “heart will be also” (e). It really reveals where your “eye” (or “heart”) is focused – toward light or toward darkness, toward God or toward money, to things of the Spirit or the things of the flesh (f). Jesus even tells His disciples to “not worry” about how their basic needs will be met, and certainly to not “epizeteo intensely-seek these things like the nations/peoples do,” because that’s their preoccupation, what their “eye” is set on and what their “hearts treasure!”  Instead, Jesus tells His disciples to keep their “eye” and “hearts” on the kingdom of God and simply trust God to meet their basic needs, as God does for all His dependent creatures (g).  That’s why it’s doubtful if Jesus teaching about HOW to ask God for “the bread, the daily” is even referring to basic needs (h). <Notes> a) zeteo: search out diligently in order to find, investigate, desire/crave, aim/strive after, and even a Hebraism for worship, b) Matthew 6:32-33, c) Matthew 6:19, d) v. 6:20, e) v. 6:21, f) vv. 6:22-24; cf. Romans 8:5; Galatians 5:17, g) vv. 6:25-34, h) v. 6:11.

 

One night on a long walk with my dog, I asked the Lord “What His kingdom and His righteousness” meant in Matthew 6:33 above, because after 5 bibles schools and serving in 15 churches, I’ve always believed they referred to ‘ministry things to do,’ like more bible-study, more church, and more evangelism. Then I saw the words come into my mind saying, “It’s not a what and a what.” That really confused me, so I asked “What?” Then I saw “It’s a Who and a Who.” Now I was really baffled and I rattled off my “ministry” list above. Then I saw “My kingdom is the Holy Spirit reigning within you; My righteousness is Jesus, the Righteous One. These are Who you should seek!” Then He downloaded verse after verse that said the same things (a), including 2 Chronicles 7:14, “If My people who are called by My name/authority lower/humble themselves, and proseuchomai conversationally-pray and seek My face and turn-from (= repent) their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.” In Daniel 9:3-6, he said, “I turned my face to the Lord God, seeking Him by proseuche conversational-prayer and/coupled deesis supplication-prayer for mercy . . . And I proseuchomai conversationally-prayed to the Lord my God and made confession, saying “O Lord, the great and awesome God . . . we have sinned and/coupled did wrong and/coupled acted wickedly and/coupled rebelled, turning away from your commandments and rules.  We have not listened to your servants the Prophets.”  Notice the focus in proseuche/proseuchomai conversational-prayer is primarily on and for the person of God, and can include both monologue and dialogue-prayer, including confession of God’s greatness and repentance of sin. <Notes> a) like Romans 14:17; Matthew 5:3, 12:28; John 3:5; Acts 3:14, 7:52, 22:14; Romans 5:18-19; Hebrews 4:15.

 

The last thing Jesus taught on HOW to pray in His ‘Prayer Model’ was not the least important, but the most important!  Just as every effective speaker leaves the best for last, Jesus then gave the most important point, a point that completes His teaching on prayer by showing us HOW to get the enabling-power for the 1st supplication in His ‘Prayer Model’ prayer’s first supplication of “Thy kingdom and Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.”  So what is the key action item?  “If you then, who are poneros ‘pain-ridden from evil’ [fathers], know how to give agathos ‘good (a) grace-gifts’ to your children, how much more shall actually your Father (b) who is in heaven give agathos ‘good (a) things’ (c) to those who routinely aiteo subordinately-ask Him” (d).  Notice Luke 11:13’s parallel text that says: “how much more shall actually the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those to those who routinely aiteo subordinately-ask Him.” So if you are routinely aiteo subordinately-asking for the Holy Spirit you are certainly going to get the Spirit’s plural “good things” or “good grace-gifts.”  THIS is the HOW to get “the kingdom of God and His will on earth as it is in heaven!” <Notes> a) agathos:  “good-natured, pleasantly joyful, excellent or distinguished and thus useful, upright, or honorable,” b) “good gifts” would definitely comes from a non-poneros ‘good father” for certainly “Absolutely-in-fact-NO one is agathos good except God alone” per Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19, c) by parallelism, the “good things” are grace-gifts , d) Matthew 7:11.

 

James 1:13-17 says we can’t blame God for our ‘testing/temptation’ that Jesus said to pray we should be “in-possibility-NOT being led into [by God] peirasmos ‘testing/trials/temptation that try our character to see if genuine’ . . . but delivered from” (a), because James says “God presently/ongoingly peirazo ‘tests/tries/tempts to see if genuine’ absolutely-in-fact-NO one, but each person is presently/ongoingly peirazo tempted when he is routinely lured-away and/coupled routinely enticed by his own desire . . . every act of giving agathos good (b) and/coupled every teleios perfected (c) grace-gift is presently/ongoing from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is absolutely-in-fact-NO variation or show of shifting.”  One again, it’s impossible for a “Good God” who is “perfect” by definition to give anything but what is good and perfect!  Evil certainly can’t come from God! <Notes> a) Matthew 6:13; Luke 11:4, b) agathos: “good-natured, pleasantly joyful, excellent or distinguished and thus useful, upright, or honorable,” c) teleios: “consummated or mature from going through the necessary stages to reach the end-goal, thus developed into a consummating completion by fulfilling the necessary process or spiritual journey.”

 

There’s that mention of “every good . . . grace-gift” again that Jesus says we should pray for!  On Pentecost, Peter’s 1st sermon says “the [singular] promise of the [singular] grace-gift of the Holy Spirit” is for “all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to Himself,” to those who “repent/turn and/coupled are water-baptized in the name/authority of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins” (a). Acts 10:45 says, “the [singular] grace-gift of the [singular] Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.” However, Paul talks about “imparting some grace-gift to you of the [b] Spirit to strengthen you” (c), implying there are plural grace-gifts. We know from 1 Corinthians chapters 12-14 that indeed there are many:  that the “things of the [b] Spirit” refer to “varieties of grace-gifts” but from the same [singular] Spirit.”  Hebrews 2:4 also says that: “God also testified/bore-witness by signs, wonders, and various miracles and/coupled by grace-gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed down-from/according-to His will” and that these same Jewish-Christians “having already been enlightened, who have tasted the [singular] heavenly grace-gift, and/coupled have metochos shared-to-be-changed by of [singular] Holy Spirit and/coupled have tasted the goodness of the [gospel] logos message of God and/coupled the dunamis enabling-power (d) of the age coming” in Hebrews 6:4-5.  <Notes> a) Acts 2:27-39, b) adjectival: belonging to the, thus Spirit-kind-of things,  c) Romans 1:11, d) dunamis: a common reference to the working of the Holy Spirit – see Spirit-Power.

 

Therefore, it’s very likely that Matthew 7:11’s “good things” or “good grace-gifts” also spoken of in Luke 11:13’s ‘Lord’s Prayer Model’ is the content of the “goodness of the [gospel] logos message” that is the “heavenly grace-gift” that they “shared-to-be-changed by of the Holy Spirit” that is the “dunamis enabling-power of the age coming,” even the Church Age, which they witnessed by the Spirit’s manifestations that is Paul’s “things of the Spirit” such as “signs, wonders, miracles, and grace-gifts given to the Church” From Hebrew 2:4.

 

Paul also testifies elsewhere: “For those who live down-from/according-to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit” (a), and “The natural person (of the flesh) does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are discerned [of/belonging to] the Spirit” (b). The book of Hebrews Jewish-Christians had only “tasted the goodness of the . . . dunamis enabling-power of the age coming.”  The writer of Hebrews desperately wants these Jewish-Christians to continue onto the “solid meat” that comes from the Holy Spirit’sdunamis  enabling-powers of discernment trained into them by constant practice” (c) – see New Covenant Ways – BT16, just as Paul did in 1 Corinthians 3:2, encouraging them to no longer rely simply on the “elementary abc’s” or “milk” of the OT prophetic writings that lead them to trusting-relying-faith in Christ – see Logos Word of God – BT6, saying “I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it.” <Notes> a) Romans 8:5, b) 1 Corinthians 2:14, c) Hebrews 5:12-14.

 

That’s also why Jesus ended His ‘Prayer Model’ with HOW to “routinely be aiteo subordinately-asking God” for God’s “Holy Spirit who gives good things or good gifts.” That’s because no matter how much human understanding, insight, or wisdom we stuff into our heads to acquire gnosis information-knowledge of God’s will, and no matter how much we ‘work for God’ through our own “might and power” according to Zechariah 4:6 to obey God’s will, and no matter how much we “serve or minister” to God by the “palaiotes ‘old, antiquated, worn-out, useless, obsolete’ ways of the gramma writing” of graphe scripture (a), it will never be enough to “bring the kingdom of God and His will from heaven to earth” – to make us truly “holy/sanctified” no matter how long and hard we try. Anyone teaching otherwise is still stuck in the old covenant’s “might and power” and self-deceived, unable to move onto the completely-different-in-kind New Covenant Way of “by-the-means-of My Spirit, says the LORD of hosts.” The only way that any of the asking/supplications in the ‘Lord’s Prayer Model” are even possible is if we routinely lambano ‘grab hold of to receive’ the dunamis enabling-power of the Holy Spirit (b) that can alone make us holy in an unholy world!  Jesus says, the only way this will happen is if we routinely keep on asking for the ‘Holy Spirit’ to be given to us – it the only ways to get the “the good things/gifts of the Holy Spirit.” <Notes> a) Romans 7:6, b) Acts 1:8.

 

However, Christ’s ‘Prayer Model’ is not teaching Christians to ask for the Holy Spirit 1 time or even a few times, nor to stop once you get Spirit-baptized once, or that this somehow unnoticeably occurs during salvation at water-baptism, contrary to what too many churches teach, if they even teach about the Holy Spirit at all.  No!  The book of Acts shows the same Christians routinely being filled by Spirit or Spirit-baptized (a), even imperatively strongly-urged to with all the pleroma abundant-fullness of God by the means of the Holy Spirit” (b). This is the only way Christians can routinely pray for God’s kingdom to actually come into their lives!  Jesus is teaching ALL Christians for ALL ages throughout ALL their lives to make ALL of these asking-supplications in His ‘Prayer Model’ lifestyle requests, but especially to be filled with the Holy Spirit in order to have the enabling-power to do any of it!  This is “The Normal Christians Life!” <Notes> a) Acts 1:5, 2:4, 4:8, 31, 10:47, 11:16, 13:52, b) Ephesians 3:19, 5:18.

 

Regarding the Holy Spirit and the routine practice of proseuchomai conversationally-praying, Jesus was filled by the Holy Spirit during His water-baptism while proseuchomai conversationally-praying (a), so wouldn’t that be key?  Nevertheless, Paul says even when we don’t know how to proseuchomai conversationally-pray, the Holy Spirit helps us by interceding for us with inexpressible groaning (b). Yet Paul says he will continue to pray in tongues: “If I proseuchomai conversationally-pray in a tongue, The Spirit of/belonging-to me (c) proseuchomai conversationally-prays, but the mind of/belonging-to me is ‘unfruitful-unproductive of what it normally would produce’.  What should I do? I shall, in the future, actually proseuchomai conversationally-pray by-the-means-of-the [singular] Spirit  (d) but kai also by-the-means-of-the [singular] mind (e) kai and/also I shall, in the future, actually sing praises by-the-means-of-the [singular] Spirit  (d) but kai also by-the-means-of-the [singular] mind (e)” (f).  Jude is also like referring to tongues:  “But you, beloved, routinely building yourselves up in your most holy Trusting-Relying-Faith and/coupled routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying by-the-means-of [singular] Spirit, [I strongly urge you to] tereo ‘carefully watch/observe to safely-guard, care-for/attend-to, firmly-hold/stand-in/maintain-a-present-state yourselves in The Unconditional-Love of God” (g) – the 2-part participle phrase is HOW you “tereo ‘carefully watch/observe to safely-guard, care-for/attend-to, firmly-hold/stand-in/maintain-a-present-state yourselves IN the essence of the LORD!  See also The Grace-Gifts of Tongues & Interpretation and Conversational-Prayer – BT22.  Paul’s team ceaselessly proseuchomai conversationally-prayed to God and/coupled aiteo subordinately-asked God [implying the first is listening and the second is talking] to fill the Colossian church with the genuine, experiential, relational epignosis knowledge of God’s will by the means of pas all-kinds-of wisdom and/coupled sunesis ‘connect-the-dots’ understanding of [h] [singular] Spirit (i).  <Notes> a) Luke 3:21, b) Romans 8:26, c) The Spirit is always a reference to the Holy Spirit that Christians possess, not our human spirits or mind, and certainly in 1 Corinthians:  2:4, 20, 11-14, 6:11, 7:40, 12:3, 7-8, 14:2, 12, certainly giving no reason why Paul would suddenly deviate from this, d) there is no need to repeat the definite article ‘the’ for the singular to mean “The Holy Spirit,” e) there is no need to repeat the definite article ‘the’ for the singular to mean “the mind of me,” f) 1 Corinthians 14:14, 15, g) Jude 1:20-21, h) adjectively: that belongs to the, thus Spirit-kind-of wisdom and/coupled understanding, i) Colossians 1:9.

 

Paul also strongly urged Christians about prayer:Dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of pas all-kinds-of proseuche conversational-prayer and/coupled deesis supplication-prayer, routinely be proseuchomai conversationally-praying in pas all-kinds-of kairos ‘suitable, right, seasonable, opportune seasons/occasions’ by-the-means-of  [singular] Spirit and/coupled eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ this, be routinely agrupneo vigilantly-watching by-the-means-of all proskarteresis devoted-relational-perseverance and/coupled deesis supplication-prayer for all the saints” (a). Again, ‘listening’ proseuche conversational-prayer and deesis ‘talking’ supplication are parts of routine proseuchomai conversational-praying, and the recommended way to do this is by the Holy Spirit, which may very well be by tongues as we saw above, not just with your ‘producing’ mind, in order to build one’s trusting-relying-faith up in order to stay in The Unconditional-Love of God, yet still being routinely attentive and watchful to persevere in supplication for all the saints – see also Conversational-Prayer – BT20.  In other words, it’s NOT all about you:  prayer is NOT all about our focus on our vertical koinonia fellowship with God through greater experience of trusting-relying-faith and unconditional-love by the Holy Spirit, but also horizontally unconditionally-loving others, particularly fellow Christians, also by the enabling-power of the Holy Spirit. That’s why “Faith and Love” are the only 2 commandments in the completely-different-in-kind New Covenant. <Notes> a) Ephesians 6:18.

 

It’s God’s will to be proseuchomai praying!  Paul says that 1 of only 3 things that is explicitly-stated as “God’s will for you in Christ Jesus” other than “always rejoicing and giving thanks in all circumstances” is: “presently/ongoingly be proseuchomai conversationally-praying adialeiptos ‘not thru-the-realizing-channel-of leaving, thus without any time-gap’” – giving a double-emphasis (a). Paul says, “I parakaleo ‘close-beside encourage’ first of all that deesis supplications, proseuche conversational-prayers, enteuxis confident-intercessions, and eucharistia thanksgivings be made on behalf of all men . . . I boulomai ‘resolutely plan’ then that in every place the men should proseuchomai conversationally-pray, lifting up holy/sanctified hands apart from anger and dissension” (b). <Notes> a) 1 Thessalonians 5:17, b) 1 Timothy 2:1, 8.

 

Proseuchomai praying was an early church devotion.  “They were routinely proskartereo persistently-relationally-devoted in/by/with the teaching of the apostles and/coupled the koinonia fellowship – the breaking of the bread – and/coupled the proseuche prayers” (a).  We see this later in the gathering in Mary’s house with her son Mark and many other disciples had been ongoingly proseuchomai conversationally-praying together (b). <Notes> a) Acts 2:42, b) Acts 12:12.

 

The apostles laid hands on church-chosen servant-deacons, having proseuchomai conversationally-prayed for them, likely for anointing and leadership ordination as OT Prophets did for succession (a).  The original 11 apostles also proseuchomai conversationally-prayed to find out from the Lord through lots who the 12th replacement apostle would be (b).  When Paul’s team appointed elders in every church in Acts 14:23 they did so with proseuchomai conversationally-praying.”  The addition of “and fasting” is not found even in textual variants nor is it warranted because in 3 of the 4 other uses of that form in Acts 1:24 choosing of the 12th apostles above, Acts 6:6 laying hands on the 7 chosen deacons above, and Acts 21:5 departing of Paul bellows, there is no implication of fasting.  However, the common rabbinical phrase “fasting and prayer” is found in Acts 13:3 of the early church of Antioch prophets and teachers gathered together to leitourgeo liturgical-worship-serve the Lord and/coupled fasting.  While doing so the Holy Spirit told them to set apart Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.  Then after again ‘fasting and praying’ they laid their hands on them [likely for anointing, blessing, and ordination] they sent the off.  Clearly the limited use of leitourgeo liturgical-worship-serving indicates that these Christians were Jewish still following many of the OT “traditions of the elders” like fasting.  As the church became more Gentile you see this fade away until the Catholic Church resurrected many of them after 200 AD.  Paul knelt down and/coupled proseuchomai conversationally-prayed with the Ephesus elders before departing (c). Before leaving the disciples in Tyre, Paul & Barnabas knelt down on the beach and they all proseuchomai conversationally-prayed together before saying farewell (d).  It was also common for Jews to “stand proseuchomai conversationally-pray,” which Jesus acknowledge in His teaching on prayer (e).  God directed Peter’s ministry when he fell into a trance and had a vision while proseuchomai conversationally-praying (f).  Paul asks Christians to routinely proseuchomai conversationally-pray for them for success in the preaching of the gospel logos message (g), even strongly-urged using the imperative (h).   <Notes> a) Acts 6:6, b) Acts 1:24, c) Acts 20:36-38, d) Acts 21:3-6, e) Mark 11:25, f) Acts 10:9, 30, 11:5, 22:17, g) Colossians 4:3, h) 1 Thessalonians 5:25; 2 Thessalonians 3:1.

 

Proseuchomai conversationally-praying was important for suffering and healing.  Suffering individuals were to proseuchomai conversationally-pray, and church elders were to proseuchomai conversationally-pray and anoint sick Christians requesting this in order to be healed, but they should do so with the fervent-intensity that Elijah did for rain who “proseuchomai conversationally-prayed with proseuche conversational-prayer” and thus saw miracles – the repetition be a Hebrew idiom to show intensity (a). Paul and Silas were routinely proseuchomai conversationally-praying and singing praises to God while suffering in prison and that’s when angels miraculously delivered them (b). Peter knelt down and/coupled proseuchomai conversationally-prayed to raise the disciple Tabitha/Dorcas from the dead (c). Paul did laid hands on and proseuchomai conversationally-prayed to heal the father of Publius (d).  <Notes> a) James 5:13-17, b) Acts 16:25-26, c) Acts 9:40, d) Acts 28:8.

 

Proseuchomai conversationally-praying was important to receive the Holy Spirit.  In Acts 8:14-15, Jerusalem’s apostles sent Peter and John to the Samaritans that had dechomai ‘warmly welcomed to receive’ the gospel logos message of God so they could also be proseuchomai conversationally-prayed for in order that they might lambano ‘grab hold of to receive’ the Holy Spirit.”

 

 

 

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Proseuche/proseuchomai conversationally-prayer seems to be the clear emphasis of the NT, fully eclipsing all other Greek words used for prayer. Although these 2 words can include the ideas of a one-way conversation or monologue of wishing, asking, entreating, petitioning, or supplicating, or even the attitudes of child-like confident trust or self-deprecating humility, or even grateful thanksgiving that the others words for prayer focus on, these 2 words evidently include much, much, much more:  1)worshipful devotion” (according to Vines) and more importantly, 2) “an exchange (pros) of wishes (euche) towards or facing (pros) one another.”

 

In other words, this kind of prayer is a dialogue conversation WITH God “immediately before and facing Him” (pros), hence involves “adoration, devotion, and worship” that is in itself an “offering to God.” In early Greek, a physical offering was brought to make the prayer more acceptable to God, but later the prayer itself became the acceptable offering.  Www.preceptaustin.org also notes that Vines indicates that “proseuchomai/proseuche carries with it a notion of worship that is not present in the other words involving supplication. Thus, this kind of prayer is meant to bring us face to face or in close, relational contact with God.” Www.renner.org recognizes this kind of prayer “demands surrender, consecration/sanctification/holiness, and thanksgiving from us as we come face to face with God.” Www.hebrew-streams.org recognizes that “Jewish apostolic worship can be discerned by focusing on words such as prayer (predominantly proseuche and proseuchomai in that section), praise, thanksgiving, blessing, and on the content of hymns.”

 

Specifically, biblical prayer predominantly uses the Greek noun proseuche, meaning “properly, an exchange (pros) of wish-petitions (euche) towards or before (pros) another, but particularly of holy prayer of worshipful devotion specifically towards God.”  The ‘exchange’ aspect means it is a dialogue, not a monologue.  Therefore, it doesn’t necessarily involve the monologue of asking, entreaty, or supplication as we saw in the previous BLOG.  However, proseuche can also refer to “a place set apart or suited for the offering of holy prayer, such as a synagogue, or the bank of a stream or shore of a sea where Jews could wash their hands before holy prayer (a).”  Proseuche is used 37 times in the NT:  “If you have trusting-relying-faith, whatever we aiteo subordinately-ask in proseuche conversational-prayer, you will lambano ‘grab hold of to receive’” (b).  Deacons (c) were chosen so that the apostles could “proskartereo persistently-relationally-be-devoted-to proseuche conversational-prayer and/coupled the service/ministry of the gospel logos message (d) – this absolutely is not a reference to bible-study, but prophetically hearing from God ‘what, when, where, and how’ to spread the gospel logos message. <Notes> a) Acts 16:13, 16, b) Matthew 21:22, c) servants of physical needs, d) Acts 6:4.

 

This devotion wasn’t so different than what the earliest Christians enjoyed: “They were proskartereo persistently-relationally-devoted-to together in proseuche conversational-prayer with one mind” (a), and “themselves proskartereo persistently-relationally-devoted-to . . . proseuche conversational-prayer” (b).  Paul tells Christians as “members of the Body-of-Christ, using the grace-gifts given to them” how to “present their bodies as living sacrifices, . . .  which is their logical liturgical-worship-service” and then giving a list of imperatives for strong-urgings, including “routinely being proskartereo persistently-relationally-devoted-to [in/by] proseuche conversational-prayer” (c). In Paul’s final instructions to the Colossians, he strongly urges them to “ongoingly-be proskartereo persistently-relationally-devoted-to proseuche conversational-prayer and/coupled be routinely gregoreo vigilantly-watching in this with eucharistia thanksgiving” (d). Paul tells Timothy “[I strongly urge you] that deesis supplication-prayers, proseuche conversational-prayers, enteuxis confident-approaching-intercessions, and eucharistia thanksgiving be made on-behalf-of all people, for kings and those in high positions, that we may lead a eremos ‘undisturbed, placid, tranquil, composed’ and/coupled hesuchios ‘still, quiet, calm, steady, settled’ life” (e).  Peter believed the end was near, saying: “So be sophroneo sound/temperate-minded (f) and/coupled nepho sober-minded (g) eis ‘towards and reaching the goal of’ proseuche conversational-prayer” (h). <Notes> a) Acts 1:14, b) Acts 2:42, c) Romans 12:1-12, d) Colossians 4:2, e) 1 Timothy 2:1-2, f) sophroneo means “safety-minded, safe as to what regulates life like our diaphragm, also derived from phroneo, controls our ability to breathe which controls our heartbeat and thus our life.  It also means to have a sober outlook that reflects true balance, truly moderate, controlled to blend the extremities of truth on both side of a matter,” g) nepho:  not intoxicated or drunk, temperate, self-controlled, clear-minded, rational, h) 1 Peter 4:7.

 

Jesus educated His disciples much about the need for proseuche conversational-prayer.  Some demons “come out only by proseuche conversational-prayer” for healing (a).  Jesus led the way:  He would spend the whole night in proseuche conversational-prayer upon a mountain (b), and “got up from proseuche conversational-prayer” in the garden before His death (c).  The earliest Jewish Church before 70 AD, as was their Jewish custom, went to the temple for proseuche conversational-prayer (d).  Before this Jesus drove the merchants out of the temple, because they had turned God’s “house of proseuche conversational-prayer for all nations” into a “house of trade (e),” not just a “den of robbers” (f).  Many of today’s churches have also turned their building into ‘a marketplace’ with every thing possible for sale, even equipped with a full-blown coffee shop, right outside the door to the inner sanctuary!  I went to a Christian concert at a Calvary Chapel in Tucson, Arizona and there were tables of stuff for sale from the entrance all the way past their bookstore right up to their coffee shop, but although it cost more than Starbucks, I was not allowed to drink it in their sanctuary for the concert.  “Agent Smith” from the Matrix, complete with wires sticking out of his ear, immediately told me I had to take it out to sit at a few tables among all the merchandise and watch the concert from big screen TVs, even though I paid good money at the entrance.  Had I known all this would take place, I would have done a U-turn.  I could feel the Lord’s heart inside me weeping the whole time.  When I finally got inside the sanctuary to watch the artist, he didn’t even have a band, and despite all his theatrics could not get anybody to worship except the first few rows.  The rest of the people were looking at their phones.  Man, I about cried!  Were are these people:  God-fearing Jews like Cornelius had their “proseuche conversational-prayers heard by God” (g).  Christians were ektenos ‘extended-out without let-up’ making of proseuche conversational-prayer for Peter while in prison (h).  This important because “the proseuche conversational-prayers of the saints ascend before God” (i). I sure didn’t see much from this supposedly ‘on-fire’ church! <Notes> a) Mark 9:29 – “and fasting” was added in later by Catholic monks who practiced this OT “tradition of the elders” that is not even specified in OT Law, b) Luke 6:12, c) Luke 22:45, d) Acts 3:1, e) a marketplace, emporium of merchandise, f) Matthew 21:13; Mark 11:17; Luke 19:46; John 2:16, g) Acts 10:4, 31, h) Acts 12:5, i) Revelation 5:8, 8:3-4.

 

Paul encouraged a devotion to prayer: “Thru-the-realizing-channel-of pas all-kinds-of proseuche conversational-prayer and/coupled deesis supplication-prayer, routinely be proseuchomai conversationally-praying in all kairos ‘suitable, right, seasonable, opportune seasons/occassions’ by-the-means-of  [singular] Spirit and/coupled eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ this, be routinely agrupneo vigilantly-watching by-the-means-of all proskarteresis devoted-relational-perseverance and/coupled deesis supplication-prayer for all the saints” (a).  Evidently “proseuche conversational-prayer and supplication-prayer” are distinct parts of “praying” and this can be done by the means of the Holy Spirit, especially being vigilantly-watching to entreat God for others.  Paul encourages:  “Be anxious about nothing but through proseuche conversational-prayer and/coupled deesis supplication-prayer [both together] with eucharistia thanksgiving, let your specific-aitema subordinately-asked-petitions be made gnorizo experientially, relationally known to God” (b).  Paul advises Christians married couples to not abstain from sex except for specific mutually-agreed-upon times of sholazo ‘being still devotion’ (c) to proseuche conversational-prayer d)” (e). Paul remembers Christians in his own proseuche conversational-prayers (f) and included God in his travel plans (g), even asking Christians to do so on his behalf (h).  It’s not easy doing this:  Paul “agonizoma agonized in proseuche conversational-prayer” for others (i).  You have to endure in prayer:  Widows truly in need have set their hope on God, having continued in their deesis supplication-prayers and proseuche conversational-prayers night and days (j). <Notes> a) Ephesians 6:18, b) Philippians 4:6, c) sholazo: being still, ceasing activity, taking a vacation, in order to give oneself to, d) “And fasting” was added by Catholic monks in later manuscripts because of their assimilation of OT “traditions of elders” not even found in the OT Law – see Net Bible note.  This ‘borrowing’ from the OT is shameful but part of The Great Wall quenching the Holy Spirit, e) 1 Corinthians 7:5, f) Ephesians 1:16, 1 Thessalonians 1:2, Philemon 1:4, g) Philemon 1:22; Romans 1:10, h) Romans 15:30, i) Colossians 4:12, j) 1 Timothy 5:5.

 

James encouraged prayer in the midst of suffering too:  These suffering Christians should proseuchomai conversationally-pray (a) just as Church elders were to proseuchomai conversationally-pray and anoint sick Christians with the same confident-persistence that Elijah did for rain, who “proseuchomai conversationally-prayed with proseuche conversational-prayer” (b) (c). <Notes> a) James 5:13, b) a Hebraic structure found here in the Greek to show intensity, c) James 5:14, 16, 17. 

 

Peter speaks of proseuche conversational-prayer too:  He tells Christian husbands to treat their wives with time perceived-value/honor, as a fragile vessel so nothing will hinder their proseuche conversational-prayers (a).  “Therefore since the end of all has already [with ongoing results] eggizo ‘drawn extremely close’, definitively/wholly be sophroneo sound/temperate-minded (b) and/coupled definitively/wholly be nepho sober-minded (c) eis ‘towards and reaching the goal of’ proseuche conversational-prayer” (d). <Notes> a) 1 Peter 3:7, b) sophroneo means “safety-minded, safe as to what regulates life like our diaphragm, also derived from phroneo, controls our ability to breathe which controls our heartbeat and thus our life.  It also means to have a sober outlook that reflects true balance, truly moderate, controlled to blend the extremities of truth on both side of a matter,” c) nepho:  not intoxicated or drunk, temperate, self-controlled, clear-minded, rational, d) 1 Peter 4:7.

 

 

 

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Conversational Prayer – BT5

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What would Jesus say to so many religious Christians today?

 

 

 

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The same thing He did to all those stuck in religion:  “You really don’t eido mentally ‘see’ to perceive/know God nor do you genuinely, experientially, relationally epiginosko Him as I do, though you gnosis informationally-know a lot about God from the scriptures you diligently search/study, erroneously supposing that in them you will take hold of zoe genuine-life everlasting.  However, they simply testify/bear-witness all around Me. My sheep akouo listen/hear-to-understand/know My Voice and these directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words of Mine are Spirit and zoe genuine-life.  So without God’s Spirit within you, you ongoingly look for zoe genuine-life somewhere else and thus ongoingly refuse to Come to Me and/coupled learn-directly from Me.  You are stuck in your faith, O you of little trusting-relying-faith!  You have ‘fallen into the trap and snare of the table’ that bible-students rolled out the scrolls on to study, ‘always learning but never coming to a knowledge of The Truth,’ and so ‘your backs will be bent forever,’ and your hearts hardened, always resisting the Holy Spirit.’  You really don’t have God’s unconditional-love within you, because you really don’t have the Spirit of God within you.  You really don’t have intimate koinonia fellowship with God, where the Holy Spirit becomes your ‘One Teacher’ and writes My ways on your heart.  Instead you put your trusting-relying-faith in writings on stone or paper. And because you don’t have the enabling-power of the Spirit within you, you ergo ‘do/work’ for God, even trying to ‘ergo do/work your salvation out with fear and trembling.’  But I didn’t say that!  I said, ‘You are My workmanship to will and to do My good pleasure – this is what you are to ‘work out,’ just as exercising in a gym doesn’t actually build muscle – it tears it down and I rebuild it at night when you are peacefully-resting from your ergon doings/works.”

 

It sounds too good to be true, that NOT doing any “might or power” – even bible-study – but simply being together WITH the Lord and carefully-listening to Him in conversational-prayer will actually accomplish far more “by-the-means-of My Spirit” than ALL one’s learning, understanding, wisdom-application, plans, strategies, skills, time, money, and sweat will ever accomplish – if only we will simply surrender-control by loosening our grip, ‘letting God by letting go’ of our rope, falling into God’s arms, and spending time getting to genuinely, experientially, relationally epiginosko know Him through a conversational-prayer fellowship with Him!  But that’s what God’s ‘Plan A’ promises!  That’s what Jesus came to restore:

 

An intimately experiential, abundantly fulfilling, powerfully transforming, and abiding fellowship with God by: 

 

 

  • Devoted, restfully-waiting, stillfully-watching, quietly-listening, worshipful, conversational-prayer dialogue where any routine asking, seeking, and knocking is for God’s Promised Holy Spirit to fill us with all the fullness of God Himself!

 

 

 

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Religion concerns itself with more than an intimate relationship with God Himself

 

 

 

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If the subject of our prayers is God Himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit instead of just the stuff He can give us or to help us try to do “works done by us in/by/with righteousness” (a) like religionists would, or even to do the “good works that were created in Christ Jesus for” and even to be “zealous for” and “devoted to” (b), then our prayers can’t go wrong!  Psalms 37:3-4 says, “Trust . . . and [exquisitely] delight in Yahweh, kai and/then He will give you the mishalah/aitema [specific prayerful] ‘desires expressed as subordinately-asking petitions’ of your heart.” We need our priorities straight!  We were created primary to have koinonia intimate fellowship with God, literally walking/living humbly with God to dwell with His people (c). <Notes> a) Titus 3:5, cf. Romans 4:6, b) Ephesians 2:10, cf. Matthew 5:16; Acts 9:36; 1 Timothy 2:10, 5:10, 25, 6:10; Titus 2:7, 14, 3:8, 14; Hebrews 10:24 – see Obedient Steps of Faith – BT15 and – BT17, c) Genesis 3:8, 5:22, 24, 6:9; Hosea 11:12; Micah 6:8; Ezekiel 37:27; 2 Corinthians 6:16 citing Leviticus 26:11-12 because Christians are NOW God’s rightful Temple; Revelation 2:1, 13; cf. 2 Chronicles 6:18 not in a temple, and according to rules:  Deuteronomy 5:33, 10:12; Joshua 22:5; 1 Kings 8:23; 2 Kings 10:31; 2 Chronicles 6:14; Nehemiah 10:29; Isaiah 8:11; Jeremiah 7:23.

 

Once during a long proseuche conversational-prayer walk I heard the Lord tell me that “the kingdom of God and His righteousness to seek foremost” (a) was actually “The Holy Spirit and Jesus” – 2 “Who’s to know,” and not 2 “What’s to do,” and then downloaded so many verses about seeking God’s face (b). The Lord once changed my words before coming to Him in proseuche conversational-prayer 3 times from: “I come before You” to: “I come for You.” This baffled me, but I soon understood that all I sought was within the Lord Himself – only 3 letters make all the difference! <Notes> a) Matthew 6:32-33, b) like Deuteronomy 4:29; Daniel 9:3; 2 Chronicles 15:4, 7:14; Isaiah 55:5-7; Jeremiah 29:13; Acts 15:17, 17:27; Romans 3:11; Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 11:6.

 

This reminds me of a time in 2008 when my pancreas was malfunctioning so much that I feared the reaction I would have eating even simple foods, even with digestive enzymes. I was so afraid that I would proseuchomai conversationally-pray for 5 minutes before every meal asking God to help me digest it, and giving Him thanks for doing so. One time as I was doing this, He kept changing the words in my mouth from “I thank You for this food” to “I trust You for this food.” Again, I thought I was going mad, but eventually understood He was trying to help be really have trusting-relying-faith in Him. So that day I ate without my pancreatic enzymes and I had no problems whatsoever!  This was a turning point for my healing, because I found out much later that my enzymes were laced with too much calcium which was throwing my electrolytes out of balance. However, God knew this and was helping me take “Obedient Steps of Faith” (a) to eliminate some of my problems!  Reading and studying the bible would have never led me to this truth, but “the Spirit of The Truth . . . will guide you into ALL The Truth” (b). <Notes> a) Romans 1:17, b) John 16:13.

 

Religion concerns itself with the “what, where, when, why, and how” ABOUT God and His will.  Plan A doesn’t because “the righteous ones” are those who are preoccupied with the “WHO” of God!  I was told directly by God on a proseuche conversational-prayer walk that “The Kingdom of God and His Righteousness” that I was to seek wasn’t “a what and a what” of things to do as I had been taught by so many churches, but “The WHO and The WHO of The Holy Spirit and The Son” to genuinely, experientially, relationally epiginosko know, to ask for until we receive, to seek for UNTIL we find, to knock on the door for until it is opened!  You will never find that in the bible or its study notes, even though the bible says over and over that the Holy Spirit is the enabling-power of the reigning King and that King Jesus is The Righteous and Holy One of Israel!  That is vast difference of prophetic rhema words directly from the Lord.

 

Every religion, even the OT, is about might and power” – man’s inherent flesh external and internal abilities or ergon ‘doings/works,’ even about how to worship – see also Identity.  Religion makes the walls to God tall and difficult to climb, giving us only a small window for outside light to shine through onto your “bible-study table and chair” – a vision God showed me.  Plan A doesn’t have a tall ladder because God says in Zechariah 4:6 the completely different-in-kind New Covenant will “absolutely no longer be by might or power, but by My Spirit, says Yahweh of hosts!”  Jesus says that “God is Spirit and the true worshipers are those who worship Him by [singular] Spirit and/coupled [singular] The Truth,” which because of the kai coupling is the same as “The Spirit of/belonging-to The Truth” found in 4 other verses because “The Spirit is The Truth” in another. That’s why Jesus said, “Absolutely nobody can come to the Father except through Me – I AM The Way to the Father, because I AM The Truth, and My directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words are The Spirit and The zoe genuine-life because I AM the zoe Genuine-Life.  God once said in prayer, “Speak to the wall in the name/authority of Jesus 7 days and I will make it fall.”  But now in the vision I mentioned, He said:  “Get up out of your chair, walk away from the study table, and open the door who is Christ and go outside.”  When I did I saw the bluest sky, greenest vegetation, and brightest flowers ever, and sparkling bread floating down from heaven like floating diamonds and I was filled with incredible joy!  In another dream, God said the more accurate books about God, the theology of God, were on the oldest top shelf of the Library of Congress long before 1452’s printing of the Guttenberg bible, but there was no ladder to reach them but an old rugged cross.  Nevertheless, no matter how you use the cross to climb up, you will never reach the true theology of God, because even if you read the old scrolls, they are still second-hand knowledge from mere men, and only handwritten copies by later scribes at that – see Bible Info!  The True Theology can only be received humbly at the foot of the old rugged cross as the angels descend and ascend upon it to deliver it to us by the revelation of the Holy Spirit.  Jesus said, unlike all the “other rabbis, His yoke of instruction to learn from Him would be kindly-useful and His burdens of commandments/works forever light to carry, as a cloud is blown by the wind.”

 

Every religion elects some people to be “special leaders” or mediators, translators, scribes-scholars-lawyers, or clergy to “learn about God” and then relay this knowledge down a hierarchy of leaders (Sadducees) and teachers (Pharisees, Levite priests) to everyone else, the ‘laity,’ but by then all this becomes nothing more than second-hand gnosis info-knowledge about God.  Churches have even redefined the “equippers” that really are only coaches and facilitator to be the ministers, when it actually “the saints who do the work of ministry.”  Talk about usurping power!  What’s worse, is that the “leaders” or “equippers” often have never actually heard from God directly, but are just passing down something they read or devised from their own thinking.  Plan A doesn’t because God says “to be still in order to [or resulting in] experientially, relationally yada/ginosko know God” such that “you have absolutely-in-fact-NOT need of any other teacher!”  The first thing Paul said about having a “renewed mind for God’s kingdom” is “that no man should think of himself higher than others, for we are all brethren of one Body-of-Christ, each member equally important with different praxis functions” – see Obedient Steps of Faith – BT21, Skill – BT5, Teach One Another – BT8, and Coaches & Facilitators.  Furthermore, Jesus said: “The greatest among you shall be the slave of others, just as I came to serve and not be served,” and He strongly warned His disciples on more than one occasion to: “never in fact desire to have authority over others, but to follow His example of being a servant, even a slave.”

 

Every religion has “special titles for special offices for special people” signifying their level of authority, even within the modern Church whether Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox, such as Catholic or Eastern Orthodox ‘Fathers,’ Eastern Orthodox or Mormon ‘Patriarchs,’ Anglican ‘Lords’ or University ‘Masters,’ Protestant ‘Head Pastors,’ and Messianic-Church ‘Rabbis or Chief Rabbis’ or with great honor ‘Our Master-Our Teacher-Our Rabbi.’  Plan A doesn’t use them because Jesus warned about using titles or offices of authority like: “Father, Lord/Master/Head, or rabbi Teacher” because “you are ALL brethren,” and respectively, “there is only One Heavenly Father, One Lord Jesus Christ, and One Spirit of The Truth who guides you into ALL truth.” See also Teaching and Coaches & Facilitators.

 

All the places in the NT that talk about church assembly never say anything about 1 or 2 authoritative men doing all the teaching or even a “worship music team,” but instead about the “gospel logos message dwelling/residing among them richly by addressing/teaching and admonishing ONE ANOTHER…EACH OF YOU bringing an instrumental psalm, a composed hymn, a spontaneous song by the Spirit, a teaching, prophecy, revelation, logos message of wisdom, logos message of knowledge, a tongue, its interpretation, all submitting to one another for the building up of the Body.”  Body-of-Christ ministry was the only prescribed ministry!  Everything else is “self-prescribed worship-service, made and taught by men,” no different from the “traditions of the elders” the Jews came up with.  The “apostles, prophets, evangelists-preachers, and shepherds-who-are-able-to-teach” weren’t supposed to be the “special people/offices who to the work of ministry” but simply “praxis functioning grace-gifts of Christ’s Spirit that equip/coach/facilitate the saints who are the ones who are supposed to do the work of ministry!”  That makes them the “ministers” not the “equippers!”  Once again, the modern Church thinks it’s all about “special people” when instead it’s about a multitude of grace-gifts given to the entire Body-of-Christ, which even change due to the particular situation, ALL that should be working equally together to build up the Body into the likeness of Christ. What has happened to 1 Corinthians 14:26-39 where all the people in a congregation are encouraged to prophesy or give a message in tongues with some one giving an interpretation, but doing it orderly one after another, listening to each other, and everybody else weighing in on what was said?  That’s what Paul meant about “orderly worship!”

 

Religious people even try to correlate the lists of the Spirit’s different grace-gifts and then believe that it’s somehow complete. Good luck, because Paul’s lists evolved over time with his experiences with the Spirit, we are missing letters of Pauls, and that was never his point anyway – they are only examples of God’s unlimited enabling-power to get His work done through “a diversity of grace-gifts and manifestations,” through a Body that should be treating each other equally, just as “God shows now partiality or favoritism!”  A careful study of “authority” will also show that the top-down, vertical, hierarchal structure of religion (and many churches) is actually patterned after Satan’s angelic/demonic kingdom, externalized in the world of fallen men, and not God’s horizontally-flat kingdom structure where there is “only 1 Head over ALL of us WHO is given ALL authority, WHO is Jesus, and we are ALL brethren, reciprocally one belonging to the other, equal children of God.” The same metron ‘measuring-cup’ of The-Trusting-Relying-Faith and The-Unconditionally-Loving-Favor-of-Grace was used to insure equity from a Just, Equitable God.  Again, what differs is the praxis function of the grace-gifts so nobody “can think more highly of themselves.”

 

Every religion erects “special buildings” for prayer and worship. The Jews and half-breed Samaritans had their temples or “places of worship,” and invariably they become “marketplaces, places of business, even by robbers and thieves” by the peddlers of religion, the Canaanites.  Plan A doesn’t because there are no Christian “building programs” in the early Church after the Jewish temple was destroyed in 70 AD, unlike every church today that seem to have an “edifice complex,” until Catholicism was made institutionalized by Emperor Constantine 300 years later, when he patterned the basilicas after pagan Greek and Roman temples.  Please don’t try to use the argument that Christians were persecuted until then so they couldn’t build churches.  That is ‘fake news’ because there were long periods of time when there was tolerance and no persecution.  If it was a priority of Christians, they would have built as they do in other tolerant nations today dominantly controlled by hostile religions, but we don’t have any writings or archeology to indicate any church buildings other than a few homes with inner walls knocked down for gatherings up to 35 people.  Jesus called the Jerusalem temple, “My Father’s house of proseuche conversational-prayer,” but told the Samaritan woman that “the true worship of God would no longer take place in a place, either in Jerusalem or Samaria, where they routinely carried out liturgical-ritual-worship-services FOR God, because God is Spirit so the true worshippers that the Father seeks are those who will worship by [singular] Spirit and/coupled [singular] Truth,” which Jesus says concerning:  “The Spirit of The Truth, WHO I AM, will dwell in you, WHO will bear witness about Me, and WHO will guide you into ALL The Truth.”  Because of the indwelling Spirit of Christ, Christians, even their individual and corporate Bodies, are now “God’s Temple,” and so we are now God’s actual “house of proseuche conversational-prayer” and “offering our bodies as living sacrifice is NOW our logical liturgical-ritual-worship-service FOR God.”  Plan A reverts everything back to God’s original design.

 

Every religion also looks intently or gazes at or studies holy gramma letters as writings” and the collection of these into “holy graphe books” that the Jews called “scriptures,” in order to learn about God and His will to then “take hold of zoe genuine-life.”  It really does take Greek and Hebrew scholars, the so-called “wise and understanding ones,” to adequately translate or understand the bible, and they argue constantly on which manuscripts are more accurate and what the words really mean – see Bible Info.  There are 1000s of manuscripts with 1000s of textual variants – 400,000 just in the NT – and the scholars are always changing their minds!  There are many college courses on textual, literary, and biblical criticism, biblical archeology, biblical languages and interpretation (hermeneutics), biblical and church history, and theology – and I’ve taken too many!  It’s exhausting and our English bibles don’t come close to even relaying the meaning of any agreed upon text!  Plan A doesn’t rely on any of this, but tells us to be like little children with their parents, to optanomai fix our wide-open eyes and ears of our hearts on God Himself.  To these God promised revealed prophetic knowledge, clear sunesis connect-the-dots understanding that goes beyond left-to-right sequitar reasoning, and gives us zoe genuine-life through the experiential, relational ginosko knowledge of the Father and the Son.  Paul says, God “thwarts and destroys the wisdom of the  ‘wise and understanding ones’.”  Jesus ridicules their “diligent searching/studying of the scriptures to take hold of zoe genuine-life.”  Isaiah mocks their “line upon line, precept upon precept” expositional approach as elementary ‘abc’ gibberish, while giving God’s wisdom and understanding to those the Prophets who will simply be like little children and just relentlessly aiteo ask their Heavenly Father, wait, and listen – see also Obedient Steps of Faith – BT16 for the patient-endurance of trusting-relying-faith.

 

Jesus doesn’t train disciples any other way than He was discipled by God.  Isaiah’s prophecy said that Jesus learned through His devotion to proseuche conversational-prayer and that’s the only “spiritual discipline” we see Jesus devoted to while on earth!  Only once did the NT say that Jesus read scripture – once in a synagogue to say He had fulfilled it. We have to remember that He was the eternal Logos Message of God, so everything that Moses and the Prophets wrote was told to them by the Son!  That’s why at 14 years old Jesus could debate the socks off the scribes and Pharisees!  His disciples never read scripture and there is no indication as a carpenter Jesus would have had access to them outside of the synagogue!  Although all rabbis had scribes to write down their sayings, Jesus never did nor did He ask His disciples to.  Instead He and the apostle John said the Holy Spirit, The Anointing of the Holy One, would be their “One Teacher of ALL truth” after Jesus left them, because the Spirit would be Him now living in them, not just close-beside them!  The “kingdom of God is within” and that is where the “One Teacher” does the teaching!

 

Every religion promises that the reading and study of their “special books” will lead us to knowing The Truth that will transform us into God’s glory and set us free from sin, but it actually hides God’s glory from them behind a veil/covering and their hearts become hardened and sin multiplies.  Plan A doesn’t promise this.  It removes the veil or curtain for direct access to God to find that The Truth isn’t a “what, where, when, why, and how” to read, study, analyze, memorize, and debate in order to acquire gnosis info-knowledge about God and His will.  It doesn’t come through the “sophia wisdom and sunesis connect-the-dots understanding” of logos “second-hand communication of content in a message” through “holy gramma letters” collected into grapheholy books” called “scripture,” which can only be accurately done by the so-called “wise and understanding ones” – the scribe-scholars and clergy or rabbiteachers and Pharisee leaders, who were the very people Jesus mocked as “diligently searched/studying the scriptures” who were “the blind watchmen leading the blind, who never akouo heard/listened-to-understand/know God’s actual Voice [as the Prophets did], never eido mentally ‘seen’ to perceive/know God or His will [as the Prophets did], and thus never experientially, relationally ginosko knew God [as the Prophets did], and so they couldn’t possibly have God’s unconditional-love meno abiding/living within them [as the Prophets did].”

 

However, Jesus came to bring God’s people back to Plan A of genuinely, experientially, relationally epiginosko knowing “The WHO of The Truth, the Son WHO can actually set them free from the practice of sin.” All the so-called NT proof texts for “studying the bible” completely fall apart when you read them from the original Greek in context!  The KJV “spoudoza study to shew thyself an approved workman” is a deceptively bad translation that kept the 70 bible translators gainfully employed at their universities by King James in 1611!  Politics, money, and power have had much effect on bible translations!  Spoudoza means “to be diligent or zealous” as the better translations have noted  – see Logos Word of God – BT19!    So much of church-ianity is perpetuating ‘the way’ of the other religions, especially the OT one, when the New (a) Covenant calls for the completely-different-in-kind new (a) ‘way’ of the Spirit!  <Notes> a) chadash, kainos: fresh, completely-different-in-kind, unprecedented, sharing nothing with its predecessors, unique, and superior.

 

Every religion has “special truths” to read, study, and memorize about God!  Plan A doesn’t because the NT says that the OT is NOT “The Truth or even The Unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace” but only “shadows, figures, outlines, sketches, prototypes, copies, or elementary ‘abc’ principles of good things to come.”  Instead, Jesus Christ is “The Truth” and “The Unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace” that came into existence – “The aletheia Absolute Reality” of God!  Jesus “fulfilled/completed” the “first covenant in order to establish the second,” so that the first’s “glory vanished away, ended, and was finished, done away with, and abolished because it was nailed to the cross,” so that the second’s glory will be an “everlasting covenant.” Christians should have “died to the Law and been freed/liberated from the Law’s yoke of slavery” – the first covenant should be history – in order “to belong to another – Christ,” and thus “absolutely no longer serving God by the way of the gramma writings!”  The old covenant “absolutely cannot perfect those who draw near to it,” but the New Covenant can!  “Christians are now the epistles hand-written-personal-letters of God, gramma written absolutely-in-fact-NOT by letters on stone tables or ink on paper but by the Spirit of God on tablets of human hearts!”

 

Every religion has “special statements of The Faith” or “creeds” they recite that prove by confession that you are saved.  The Catholic Church created one after another from 180 AD on – see Salvation – BT9, as did the Protestants from 1517 AD on.  All through history you will find that when the Church falls away from trusting-relying-faith in the ministry of the Holy Spirit and His supernatural prophetic grace-gifts, it looks to bible-study, apologetics, dogma, theology, and creeds to articulate this for the people to adhere to, feel secure and confident, especially in the Church, and also differentiate themselves from what the Church will then label as “heretics” to excommunicate or persecute, even by torture and death!  Many godly men, Spirit-baptized, even theologians and bible translators were tortured, hung, or burned alive. Plan A doesn’t do this!  Although historians try to find creeds in the NT like “Jesus is the Christ,” which means Messiah, the Anointed One of God, or “Jesus Christ is Lord,” which means “Supreme Master,” or “Jesus Christ has come in the flesh,” or “Jesus is the Son of God,” there is only one occurrence of each of these, and John only says to “Confess Jesus” or “Confess the Son.”  Can you see how religious people can’t just let the Holy Spirit guide people?

 

The closest we get to a saving creed to confess at water-baptism below is Paul’s in Romans 10:9, but notice the emphasis:  “If you confess with your mouth that ‘Jesus is Lord (Supreme Master) and/coupled have trusting-relying-faith in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall actually be saved.”  However, Paul may have been adding “raised from the dead” because of the current heresy going through the Church that Jesus wasn’t even human in the flesh – see Identity, so He couldn’t die, let alone resurrect.  That’s because the Greeks and Romans believed in ‘dualism’ that said the world of flesh and the spiritual world are completely separate.  The NT was written to address specific needs for specific groups of people, and never conceived of as new set of universally-binding graphe “scripture!”

 

The NT was never intended to be more graphe scripture – a term applied by the Catholic theologian Tertullian around 200 AD when arguing against the Jews that Christians also had authoritative writings – what a desperate knee-jerk reaction!   Jesus instead teaches:  “For out of the heart, speaks the mouth” – words aren’t that important except to reveal the heart!  That’s what confession of sin and confession of The-Trusting-Relying-Faith does – see Surrender-Control.  Peter says: “This water-baptism, which corresponds to Noah’s family being saved by the ark dia through-the-medium-of flood waters, [to safely land on shore even though it buried a world of people] now saves you also, …because it’s a ‘request-appeal or profession-pledge’ of/for a good/sincere conscience toward God – this water-baptism saving you dia through-the-medium-of  the resurrection of Christ.”  Water-baptism is the “reality/substance/type that corresponded to the antitype” OT shadow of Noah’s flood.  The “request-appeal or profession-pledge” was the common public confession all Gentile proselytes to Judaism made before their full-body Spirit-baptisms, which they believed saved them also!  The Greek really says “the request . . . conscience” phrase is really more about “the Holy Spirit working together with the person because of their surrender to help them mentally experience their reaching toward God” – it’s a communal, epignosis experiential-knowledge not a ritual.  This is what Jesus and the early Church also taught, just as Paul does in all his writings, like Romans 6:3-5.  They didn’t try to separate the confession “request-appeal or profession-pledge” from the waters of baptism because both were part of “one baptism that now saves you also.”  But it only saves anyone because of Christ’s resurrection, so it isn’t a work to earn favor, but an act of trusting-relying-faith to take hold of the free grace-gift of God’s unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace given to us.

 

Every religion has “special wisdom sayings” or “Proverbs” to read, study, and memorize to become “wise and understanding.”  Plan A doesn’t because God mocks the so-called “wise and understanding ones” who acquired it this way, “thwarting and destroying” their efforts, but instead gives the “directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words of wisdom, understanding, insight-enlightenment, and gnosis info-knowledge through revelation by the Spirit to ‘little children’ and the other “least among you” through a genuine, experiential, relational epignosis knowledge of God – even to those that can’t hear, see or read!”  God shows no favoritism except to favor the least before the greatest!  Again, the ability to “walk in a manner worthy, fully pleasing, bearing fruit in every good work” comes from what I just described, not from books, not even from the bible!

 

Every religion has “special prayers” to recite as an ergon ‘doing/work’ to please God or to earn something from Him.  They even “pray the promises of God” from the bible, but the bible never says to do that.  Then there was the fad of “declaring blessings,” taken from the OT.  Then there was the fad of “declaring bible verses” to defeat Satan or unlock God’s promises.  Then there was the fad of finding the few explicit statements of “the will of God” that would certainly be answered.  Now there is the fad of gleaning from the prayers of people in the bible what we should pray!  All of this is just religious ergon ‘doings/works’ that again requires reading, studying, and memorizing the bible, just like other religions do of their “holy gramma writings” to use them in similar fashion.  Paul says, it’s all nonsense!  It all shows favoritism!  Plan A doesn’t because the Lord’s Prayer isn’t a ritual prayer as most churches treat it – it’s simply a brief model or outline of how to practice proseuchomai conversationally-praying “the way or in this manner,” and it behooves us to treat it this way!  Jesus said that pagan Gentiles pray with “many repetitive words or phrases like someone stuttering or stammering, which is vain babble, supposing that by their many words that God will hear them.”  This recitation of prayers is simply a ritual like Eastern religions reciting Mantras or the Catholics praying the Rosary Beads or the Muslims their many daily prayers!  Superstitious pagans!

 

The NT says God already knows what we will ask; that our words should be few; that we can groan or sigh without words and the Spirit will intercede for us, and that we can even proseuchomai conversationally-pray by the Spirit in supernatural tongues the perfect will of God.  God sees what’s in our hearts and cares more about us surrendering-control and listening than our monologue of words.  The “Word of God that never comes back void but accomplishes what it was sent out to do” is not bible verses, it is prophetic rhema – the directly-spoken/heard words of God that is the “bread that man can actually live on!”

 

Jesus preached and taught then – and still does – by His Spirit with His directly-spoken/heard rhema words.  The NT writers say much more about examining, discerning, or scrutinizing the will of God through continual practice in renewing one’s mind via routine listening proseuche conversational-prayer, as given by the Wonderful Counsel of the Spirit, than they ever do explicitly stating the will of God as logos messages for Christians to read-to-understand – see Least Among You – BT8 and New Covenant Ways – BT16.  Nevertheless, you can see Christ’s priorities within His ‘Lord’s Prayer’ model, so it’s a great idea to use this to guide your proseuche conversational-prayer as He intended!  The number of words are very small, so evidently proseuche conversational-prayer has much more to do with listening than talking!  After all, what did Jesus do all night long – say the same things over and over?

 

Now “the logos Word of God that is to meno abide/live in” new believers to make them true disciples isn’t OT scripture or any “holy gramma writings” but the gospel logos message of Jesus Christ they akouo heard/listened to preached.  And regarding this preached logos message of The Truth, who is Jesus, Paul says, “Trusting-relying-faith comes from akouo hearing/listening-to-understand/know the directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words of God.”  Jesus said that “people can’t even come to Him unless the Father first draws them and teaches them” – by His Spirit!  You have to akouo hear/listen-to-understand/know “Jesus knock on your door to come in and intimately dine with Him” in order to say “Yes” to His logos message to you!  The sermon isn’t what you are answering – it can only provoke you to be open to akouo hear/listen-to-understand/know Christ speak through His gospel logos message directly to your heart!  John says “If you let what you akouo heard/listened-to-understand/know to from the beginning meno abide/live in you, then you will meno abide/live in the Father and Son.”  That’s why Jesus said we had to have His directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words meno abiding/living in us if we want our aiteo asked-prayers answered!  See Prophetic Rhema Words.

 

Every religion creates “special commandments, ordinances, precepts, rules, and regulations” to ergo ‘do/work’ in order to “curb the indulgence of the flesh” to stop sinning and become more holy/sanctified. But the OT Law of 613 commandments “cannot make anything perfect” and not only “reveals sin, it multiplies sin to make us exceeding sinful, and then kills us to be dead as a doornail!”  I’ve read on the internet that there are 500 or 1000 commandments for Christians to obey!  Lies!  Plan A doesn’t put this “heavy burden on us to carry.”  The Messiah has already sanctified or “set us apart or consecrated us as ‘special’ for God’s use, making us ‘clean’ and thus holy by His own sacrificial work to blot out or wash away all our sins forever to give us His Holiness in exchange for our sin – this atoning exchange called “propitiation” – and then instills within us His Holy Spirit to transform and renew us daily as we follow Him in intimate koinonia fellowship!  We can stop working for it and starting having trusting-relying-faith and instead thanking Him for it!

 

The completely-different-in-kind New Covenant Way or ministry of the Spirit has absolutely nothing to do with the old, antiquated, feeble, useless way, or ministry of the holy gramma writings. The NT says this so often because it was hard for Jews and religious Gentiles to believe it!  The Spirit alone can set us free from “the Law of sin and death!”  Now God’s instruction or Torah is the completely-different-in-kind New Law of only 2 commandments integrally connected into ONE from God:  “Trusting-relying-faith in the son He sent,” the “work of the Father that saves you,” and “unconditionally-loving one another as I have unconditionally-loved you,” “the completely-different-in-kind New Commandment or Law of Christ” that Jesus “gave My or His commandment to us,” written on our hearts, no longer on stone tablets or with ink on scrolls, so “there is absolutely-in-fact-NO need for anyone to write you concerning unconditional-love for the brethren, because you have already been taught by God.”  John says, “because of the Anointing of the Holy One, you have absolutely-in-fact-NO no need of any other teacher, because He actually, ongoingly teaches you about ALL things, especially to continue meno abiding/living in Christ.”  The OT prophetic “oracles of God” used to convert Jews to Christ, only 2.6% of the OT, were “infant’s milk” and “elementary ‘abc’ fundamentals” compared to the “solid food” of the Spirit’s teaching!   “The Wonderful Counselor” is within us as the Spirit of wisdom, revelation, discernment, enlightening-insight, and understanding given through prophecy, dreams, and visions and most often as a result of routine conversational-prayer – for certainly this is the will of God that He will be eager to answer! For this is “The Promise” of the New Covenant, not more graphe scripture that didn’t even work for the Jews in the old covenant!

 

Every religion creates “special ergon doings/works” to be ergo ‘done/worked’ into order to earn God’s favor, blessing, and unconditional-love or to avoid His just wrath and judgment. This is the old covenant or Law that saturates the 97.4% of OT such that Jesus, the NT writers, and modern Jews consider them the OT and Law as synonymous.  Plan A doesn’t because instead we are to simply ergo ‘do/work’ by “obedient steps of faith” in God’s unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace and unconditional-love through Christ, so that we can finally “rest from our ergon doing/works.”  We are to instead have trusting-relying-faith that surrenders control to God’s Spirit “to will and do His good pleasure IN us.”

 

Every religion puts God in a box to be taken out when we aiteo ask-pray or for a worship-service during “special events” like holy festivals, or taken out for “special days” like holy days, New Moons, Sabbaths, or Sundays at church, or taken out for “special times” like saying ‘grace’ for our food, or taken out for “special religious liturgical-ritual-services for God” like circumcisions, sacrifices, ordinations, consecrations, and water-baptisms.  Most churches call these “worship services!”  Plan A doesn’t!  Jesus and the NT writers practiced and taughtproseuche conversational-prayer at all times and/coupled places” because fellowship with God requires cultivation ‘of the garden’ by regular visitation, communication, and sharing of each other’s lives.  Christ’s conversation with the Samaritan woman at the well was to move her away from “special times and places” to “true worship by [singular] Spirit and/coupled [singular] Truth.”  Every day is “special” when we spend it together WITH the The Truth Son and His Holy Spirit!  Paul says “We are the true circumcision, whose liturgical-worship-service is by the Spirit of God and thus are putting no confidence in the flesh [of man-made religious liturgical-worship-services], now offering our bodies as living sacrifices to God, which is now the logical-way to liturgically-worship-serve God.”  The NT returns us back to biblical proseuche conversational-prayer which has always been considered the true worship of God that all the Prophets enjoyed.

 

Every religion has “special foods and drinks” and “spiritual disciples like fasting and asceticism.”  Plan A doesn’t!  Paul writes extensively of the “weak-in-The-Trusting-Relying-Faith” Jewish-Christians who practice such things, still enslaved by the yoke of the Law, and that such severities to the body, though appearing wise, are but man-taught rules, like ‘elementary abc fundamentals’ common to all self-imposed religion, which are of absolutely-in-fact-NO value in curbing the indulgence of the flesh.  They are “zealous, ceremonial, rituals and disciplines of holiness that are self-prescribed,” because Jesus doesn’t prescribe them!  Instead Jesus said that fasting is “the old wineskin that you can’t pour new wine in, or the old garment you can’t put a new unshrunk patch on, or both will ruined.” All the NT ‘proof texts’ for fasting crumble when examined carefully from the Greek manuscripts – see New Covenant Ways – BT2b.  These “fasting” references either pertain to Jewish-Christians struggling to break free from Judaism, as Paul kept urging them to do, or were from Catholic monks who added these into the later texts to justify their church laws – we can see their earlier additions in the margins later being added to the text – shame on them!  The OT never actually commanded fasting, but found only in the “tradition of the elders,” yet this shows up in later NT writings.  The fasting of Jesus in the wilderness was only mentioned in one account by a very Jewish Matthew and the idiom may actually mean “eating only of desert foods.”  Jesus and His disciples were accused of NOT fasting like John’s disciples and other Jews!  Jesus said, “It’s not what goes into a man that makes him unclean” and He and the other writers teach to “give thanks for ALL that God provides!”

 

 

 

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Conversational Prayer – BT3

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Relentless, devoted conversational-prayer is often required to experience Spirit-baptism for enabling-power

 

 

 

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Spirit-baptism is the enabling-power for metamorphic transformation, and this is only through the renewal of our hearts and minds by a habitual lifestyle of conversational-prayer!  The overwhelming teaching and historical evidence of the NT and subsequent early Church history, as well as the history of subsequent revivals, is that the outpouring, immersion, or filling of Spirit-baptism didn’t just occur once at Pentecost to start the Church or even once at a person’s water-baptism when they proseuchomai conversationally-prayed for this “promised grace-gift,” but occurred repetitively to the same Christians because of individual and corporate obedient steps of faith to clear NT imperatives to “be routinely filled by the Spirit” (a) and to be devoted to “routinely asking for this in proseuche conversational-prayer until they received this grace-gift of the Father” (b). It’s the only way to experience “Thy kingdom come…Thy will be done” (c)!  If your trusting-relying-faith is stuck in the bible, that’s all you get! <Notes> a) Ephesians 5:18, b) Matthew 7:11; Luke 11:13, c) Matthew 6:10; Luke 11:2.

 

Cessationism is a “doctrine of demons” taught by powerless men to keep Christians powerless! The early Church writers said you can’t separate the grace-gifts or signs & wonders from the fruit of the Spirit, because excluding the former is “cutting yourself off from the Vine so that you cannot bear fruit” (a).  The indwelling Spirit wasn’t a doctrine that you had to simply take by trusting-relying-faith – simply confessing the creeds and dogma that a later powerless Church came up with!  When the Spirit came into a new believer, there were visible signs of overwhelming unconditional-love, joy, peace, and exuberate worship, often with supernatural tongues and prophecy – hearing prophetic rhema words directly-spoken to you from God and then speaking them to God and others.  This was the evidence that a person actually does have Christ and is saved!  There was no wishing or guessing involved.  It was obvious to you and everybody else!  A lot of so-called Christians are not saved at all, though they may say they are. The NT is full of people saying one thing, but the NT writers saying they were tragically deceived. <Notes> a) John 15:4-7.

 

Paul “wants all Christians to earnestly desire the Spirit’s grace-gifts, all to proseuchomai conversationally-pray and sing by the Spirit in tongues, just like he does, but especially to prophecy.” “Apostling, prophesying, evangelizing/preaching, and shepherd-teaching” are the Spirit’s ongoing “grace-gifts to simply equip – coach and facilitate – the saints to do the ergon ‘doing/work’ of ministry,” according to Paul (a).  This is about Body-Ministry, not watching the referees and coaches play the football game!  Peter quoted the Prophet Joel on Pentecost (b) that said only “prophecy, even thru dreams and visions,” was the singular way God would speak to His “men and woman servants in the Last Days/Church Age.”  <Notes> a) Ephesians 4:7-12, b) Acts 2:17-19.

 

Many so-called ‘Christians’ are not only NOT saved, but they don’t have the supernatural enabling-power to stop practicing sin, because only The Truth, Jesus, by His indwelling Spirit “can set you free from the slavery of sin!  ONLY God’s Spirit poured into our hearts will cause us to keep His statutes and obey His ways” (a).  For the unconditional-love of/belonging-to God constrains or controls us; we unconditionally-love because He first unconditionally-loved us – this is not a doctrine but genuine, experiential, relational epignosis knowledge!  “Self-control” is the end result or final ‘flavor’ of the [singular] fruit of the Spirit presently/ongoingly is-defined-as/exists-as Unconditional-Love!  It isn’t a word to study and try to do – you will fail miserably!  I actually heard 1 preacher say that you need to study and master the fruit of Unconditional-Love, and then study and master the fruit of joy, and then study and master the fruit of peaceful-rest, and keep doing this until you finally get to the 9th fruit of self-control. This is insane!  Karpos fruit is singular, not plural, and the first word agape Unconditional-Love is the direct object, just as 1 John 4:8, 16 says “God is-defined-as/exists-as agape Unconditional-Love” period, and the other 8 words are simply adjective-nouns describing the flavors of the singular fruit.  Also, what vine or tree have you ever seen that has 9 different kinds of fruit on it?  Insane!  Only after we filled by the Spirit of Unconditional-Love will we have peaceful-rest from our ergon ‘doing/works’ of holiness/sanctification attempts to be free from sin. Only then will we have food and drink for our hungering and thirsting for righteousness. <Notes> a) Ezekiel 11:20, 36:27; Philippians 2:13; Hebrews 13:21; 1 Corinthians 12:6, 15:10.

 

Plan A simply relies on a routine lifestyle habit of conversational-prayer, but every religion insists on something else or tries to put the cart before the horses by trying to do the ergon ‘doing/works’ ourselves through “spiritual disciplines” or “church programs” to get the “3 results that God promises” in the previous BLOG without following the “4 Parts of 1 obedient step of faith” also in the previous BLOG.  Religious people work to acquire the grace-gifts on their own or to earn it from God, but then they would NOT be by the unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace, and thus religious people won’t have enough trusting-relying-faith to follow these “4 Parts of 1 obedient step of faith” that “the righteous ones shall live by.” For more about the relentlessness of trusting-relying-faith, see Obedient Steps of Faith – BT16.  For more about the relentlessness of conversational-prayer, see Conversational-Prayer – BT19..

 

 

 

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Conversational Prayer – BT2

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A short summary of the study that led me to understand God’s simple ‘PLAN A’ from the previous BLOG – 4 Parts of 1 Obedient-Step with 3 Results

 

 

 

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Jesus ‘saved or restored’ God’s original ‘Plan A’ given even for the “least among you,” that God had spelled out to Moses to present to His people in Exodus 19 and 20 at Mt. Sinai, a plan that the people rejected but Moses obeyed. Thus only Moses received the benefits of a direct personal fellowship, and the people got what they wanted instead – a religion of indirect communication with God, “commandments expressed in ordinances” (a) through gramma writings (b), collected many years later as graphe scripture, and secondarily taught by a hierarchy of mere humans. But Jesus restored how God’s children were to relate to their Heavenly Father, by the “obedience of faith,” where the righteous ones live by trusting-relying-faith, from one obedient step of faith to another” (c), thus the thesis statement of Paul’s “Book of Romans,” the gospel explained to Gentiles. For the full 34 page documentation fo this summary, Contact Us.   <Notes> a) Ephesians 2:15, b) with ink:  Romans 2:27, 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:7; 2 Timothy 3:15, versus by the Spirit:  2 Corinthians 3:3, 6; Romans 2:29, c) Romans 1:5, 17, 16:26.

 

Jesus calls us to “repent or return” to Exodus’ ‘Plan A’ of 1 simple “step of faith” – for purposes of explanation I’ve broken it into 4 parts – to enjoy a genuine, experiential, relational epignosis knowledge of God through intimate koinonia fellowship, where God comes near/close-beside us to get a close-up look at us or to quiz/examine His disciples/students to ascertain what they really know and to help them to learn it better:

 

Part 1:  No longer continue to stand far off in doubt and fear as the Israelites did at Mt. Sinai, but instead have child-like, trusting-relying-faith with reverential submission, yet with the child-like confidence to boldly claim what God desires to freely give His beloved children – that’s the actual meaning of routine aiteo “asking” in prayer!

 

Part 2:  Truly be Christ’s “disciple or follower” by being presently, ongoingly, repeatedly, persistently, routinely-as-a-lifestyle, relentlessly like a little child continually crying out to their parents, abidingly, always-at-all-times, unceasingly, without-wavering, and patiently-enduring, and thus being single-mindedly, whole-heartedly, sincerely, truthfully, delightfully, urgently cravingly with a hunger and thirst, and earnestly or diligently taking the “obedient step of faith” that Jesus and the early Church were singularly devoted to, which is:

 

Part 3:  A dialogue of proseuche conversational-prayer, not just a monologue of petitioning God with deesis prayer-supplications, by simply doing:

 

Part 4:  Going up, coming toward, or drawing near to God through Mt. Sinai’s darkness, i.e., past our doubts and fears, “to where God is,” and then calling on, crying out to, asking, seeking, searching for, pursuing, knocking, waiting-patiently upon, being still or quiet or taking a vacation or resting from our works, watching attentively with the eyes of our heart to see the Lord’s prophetic visions and dreams (a), fixing our eyes upon, gazing with wide-open eyes at, setting our minds on, listening with our inner man’s ears carefully to understand the Lord’s voice of directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words. <Notes> a) the oldest book of Job says this is where God “opens the ears of men to give warnings.”

 

That’s what biblical proseuche conversational-prayer really is, which Jesus says is the “true worship of the Father by [singular] Spirit and/coupled [singular] The Truth,” where Paul’s teaching about the “renewing of our minds/hearts” actually does occur – not by reading the bible or hearing a sermon preached from it!

 

These 4 Parts are simply ONEobedient step of faith” asked of us in the completely-different-in-kind New Covenant.  Radically simple!  Don’t get hung up on all the words the bible uses above to describe the same thing!  The title of the study really boils it all down.  God’s PLAN A for us is simply to have:

 

An intimately experiential, abundantly fulfilling, powerfully transforming, and abiding fellowship with God by: 

 

 

  • Devoted, restfully-waiting, stillfully-watching, quietly-listening, worshipful, conversational-prayer dialogue where any routine asking, seeking, and knocking is for God’s Promised Holy Spirit to fill us with all the fullness of God Himself!

 

I, like many others, have had the hardest time with Part 2 above: “routinely-as-a-lifestyle, relentlessly like a little child . . . patiently-enduring . . . and thus being single-mindedly, whole-heartedly . . .  proseuchomai conversationally-praying” – see Obedient Steps of Faith – BT16, for these 4 reasons:

 

  1. Mistaking this for a “performance-work” to earn God’s favor and thus falling into a Law-mentality – see Obedience Steps of Faith – BT17.

 

  1. Not fully believing that Part 3 above of “a conversational dialogue of devoted relational prayer” is the only NT “spiritual discipline or devotion” that will accomplish the “3 results that God promises” below – see Obedient Steps of Faith – BT27.

 

  1. Being easily distracted and preoccupied instead with accumulating religious gnosis info-knowledge through much bible reading, study, and sermons as so many bible colleges, books, and churches have drilled into me – see Bible Info.

 

  1. Being easily distracted by the many worries, pleasures, and comforts of this world!

 

 

Here are 3 results that God promises for ergon ‘doing/working’ the 4 Parts above of ONEobedient step of faith.” If we relentlessly draw near as a little child to our Father UNTIL He comes near/close-beside us to ascertain what His disciples/students really know in order to help them learn it better, then we really are Christ’s disciples/followers – not just ‘believers’ – and these supernatural things will actually be done BY God ergo ‘doing/working’ in us – see Obedient Steps of Faith – BT21:

 

  1. The adoring, reverential awe or true worship of God by the Spirit of The Truth will come over or shine upon us as the glory of God, because we will have found WHO we are looking for, received WHO we are asking for, and the door to this “intimate, dining-together koinonia fellowship” was opened by the WHO of Jesus! “The kingdom of God and His righteousness we seek” are not 2 ‘what’s, where’s, or how’s’ of religion to zealously do but instead 2 “WHO’s to intimately know” – the Spirit and The Son, for they represent and serve the Father.” The object of our proseuche conversational-prayer is the presence of God Himself.

 

  1. In addition to Himself, God desires to give whatever we routinely aiteo ask for, but only if it is according to “the will of God.” However, the NT doesn’t often explicitly state in gramma writings what that is for a reason, and when it does it’s usually very broad, because “holy gramma writings” are “the way” of the OT.  Instead the NT’s way is “discerned through revelation by the wisdom, understanding, knowledge, and insight of the Holy Spirit particularly through a genuine, experential, relational epignosis knowledge of God” as cultivated only by proseuche conversational-prayer.  Jesus said you can only be confident that your deesis prayer-supplications will be answered if you are meno abiding/living in Him and/coupled His directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words are meno abiding/living in you – not bible verses of “holy gramma writings!”  You can’t really follow Jesus as one of His sheep unless you first can akouo hear/listen-to-understand/know His Voice!  There is no indication that Jesus is speaking figuratively – He means His sheep are defined as those who actually akouo hear/listen-to-understand/know His Voice and consequently follow Him!

 

  1. Finally God promises all the riches of His glory as well, but this is God’s ergon ‘doing/work’ so that we can “peacefully-rest from our ergon doings/works” to receive the “peaceful-rest of the Holy Spirit that is beyond understanding.” Then this glory of the Spirit, whose [singular] fruit/productive-essence is Unconditional-Love, the essential-nature of God, will Spirit-baptize us with all the abundant-fullness of God in order to:

 

  • Genuinely, experientially, relationally epiginosko know God and mentally grasp The Unconditional-Love of/belonging to Christ, which is actually The Truth of God, through the enabling-power of the Spirit’s revelational wisdom, discernment, understanding, and insight within our innermost being, which exceeding surpasses all gnosis info-knowledge, as Paul often declared.

 

  • Only then will the darkness of doubts and fear of judgment flee with the coming of Christ’s light and unconditional-love, because Christ’s “perfect/complete unconditional-love casts out all fear, because fear has to do with judgment.”

 

  • Only by being connected to and by meno abiding/living in the Vine of Christ will we experience the zoe genuine-life of Christ from the Breath of God, the Holy Spirit. I can’t forget that dream where the Massive Head of Christ was hovering over an ADHD-busy robotic body, always moving to its next “thing to do,” much like Martha serving Jesus and the apostles, but when it stayed still long enough for the Head to connect to it, like Mary at the feet of Jesus, I then felt an intoxicating surge of life as I inhaled my first breath, like I had never been alive before, but before long the Body-of-Christ would move to the next “to-do” of its programs and schedules. The “equippers” pushing the saints into these are part of The Great Wall quenching the Holy Spirit in the Church.

 

  • Only then will we bear much fruit unto God, because not only will we intimately know the [singular] fruit/essence of God’s Spirit who is Unconditional-Love, but we will be filled with the enabling-power of God to actually “both desire and do God’s will.” Jesus says, “Apart from Me you can absolutely-in-fact-NOT do anything!” The Greek is clear that “If we are meno abiding/living in/by/with Christ’s unconditional-love, then we will have the enabling-power’s self- constraint/control to obey God’s commandments” – and there are only 2 – not vice-versa as too many English bibles say, putting the cart before the horses!

 

  • “Resisting the devil so that he will flee from us” is a by-product of a surrendering koinonia communion with Jesus. “Resisting” doesn’t mean “standing or moving forward to fight.” God showed me in a vision that I must turn/repent and flee/retreat from the repetitive waves of the world’s sin crashing up against me, running to a sea-cave in the Massive Rock – Jesus, “the Petra Rock He builds His Church on” – that created a cliff along the seashore. But then He told me to continue walking deep inside it until I was in the middle, safe from the drowning waters near the entrance, but that it would take even more “obedient steps of faith” to walk into “the thick darkness” of the cave.  No amount of Zechariah 4:6’s “might or power” human way to relate to that towering Rock Wall of God’s holiness would save me!  Jesus told me that this is what He meant by “meno abiding in/by/with the Vine for zoe genuine-life or enabling-power to bear any fruit” – continuing until you are in the middle of, living in relation to, living by the means of, and living with the instrumentality of the Vine, who is Christ. Remember that Jesus said we could only expect to receive answers to deesis prayer-supplications if we were meno dwelling ‘in the middle’ of Christ and Christ’s directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words were meno living ‘in the middle’ of us – that’s the only way to genuinely, experientially, relationally epiginosko know the will of God!  The deeper in the cave I travelled the quieter it got, until there was no outside noise.  That’s when I could really akouo hear-to-understand/know God talking to me!  See also 11-21-2021 Vision on Feeling meno connected to Jesus.  That’s the secret of answered proseuche conversational-prayer – going deeper to actually akouo hearing-to-understand/knowing the will of God for yourself!

 

 

 

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Lambano receive God’s gifts to experience them with God

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12-23-21 Revelation – Lambano receiving promised gifts of God by grace to epignosko experience them thru koinonia sharing

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I’m in my favorite park to do anointed, prophetic, spontaneous drum videos, but I have a powerful message the Lord gave me the night before that will determine if you get to genuinely, experientially, relationally epignosko know the many awesome promises of God’s agathos ‘excellently good, joyful, and beneficial’ grace-gifts He wants to give to you by His unconditionally loving-favor-of-grace through intimate koinonia relationship together-with Him.

 

Some of the confusion about receiving gifts from the Lord is caused by poor bible translation – see Bible Info.  The English word “receive” meaning “to get or be given something, to react to something in a specific way, to welcome someone in usually a formal way” is very ambiguous and doesn’t reflect accurately the 2 distinctly different Greek words used in the New Testament, so English bibles have really confused matters by translating both “receive!”  Dechomai is passive and accommodating, but Lambano active and aggressive.  Dechomai is “warmly-welcoming as with a fond friend,” but this can vary from a visual or verbal greeting from afar to a simple or firm handshake to even a hug or a kiss, so the context may give a clue!  Lambano “grabbing hold of to possess for yourself” goes further by ‘bringing it in’ so para close-beside you and inside you that you take personally ownership of it!  All the important Truth of the New Testament has to go beyond dechomai and deeper into lambano for you to actually genuinely, experientially, relationally epiginosko know how agathos ‘excellently good, joyful, and beneficial’ these grace-gifts are, because it takes this level of meno ‘abiding connection-to’ them through koinonia intimate-fellowship with them and the Giver!

 

 

He showed me 3 responses to His grace-gift that produce 3 results:

 

 

1.  Yes, He personally offers the grace-gift to you, but you outright say ‘No’ to the Giver by rejecting Him in disbelief, so this instantly produces a ‘Yes – No = NO’ result.

 

2.  Yes, He personally offers the grace-gift to you, but you only ‘Yes’ dechomai ‘passively, warmly-welcoming as a fond friend’ some aspect of the grace-gift but then give a ‘No’ answer by NOT lambano ‘actively, grabbing hold of it to possess for yourself’ by ‘bringing it in’ para close-beside you to fully ‘own it,’ especially through using it in order to genuinely, experientially, relationally epiginosko know it because of your koinonia intimate-relationship to it, so this still produces a ‘Yes – Yes – No = NO’ result.

 

3.  Yes, He personally offers the grace-gift to you, and ‘Yes’ you dechomai ‘passively, warmly-welcome as a fond friend’ and also ‘Yes’ lambano ‘actively, grab hold of to possess for yourself,’ and so this produces a ‘Yes – Yes – Yes = YES’ result. Jesus doesn’t want us to swear oaths at all, but to simply make our ‘Yes’ a Yes or our ‘No’ a No, so that we will not fall under condemnation (Matthew 5:33-37; James 5:12), especially since God’s gospel logos message to you has not been ‘Yes – No,’ but in Him it is always ‘Yes – Yes’ (2 Corinthians 1:18-19).

 

In the video the Lord gave me an excellent analogy of how all this works with a Fed-x delivery of an awesome Christmas Present with beautiful wrapping inside a box sent from the Giver personally to you, so valuable that He insured it so you have to sign for it.  Listen to the video for amazing details.  The bolded, underlined text are links on my website that thoroughly discuss these subjects for even more depth!

 

Application:

 

 

1.  What is God’s promised grace-gift for Me because of His great unconditional-love for Me that desires only agathos ‘excellently good, joyful, and beneficial’ things in my life, “For I know the plans I have for you, declares Yahweh, plans to give you a hopeful-future of shalom/eirene ‘wholistic, reconciling, peaceful-rest’ and ou me ‘absolutely in fact and in possibility NOT’ for ra/kakos bad-or-evil” (Jeremiah 29:11):

 

2.  Lord, I physically open my hands to “Let Go and Let God” of whatever I am holding on to, which I am saying or doing concerning my identity that is keeping me from receiving Your grace-gift:

 

3.  I physically, mentally, and emotionally dechomai ‘passively, warmly-welcome as a fond friend’ this grace-gift ‘into my house’ but I know I must go further to “make my ‘Yes’ a Yes.”

 

4.  I physically, mentally, and emotionally lambano ‘actively, grab hold of to possess for myself’ this grace-gift from Your offering Hand and ‘bring it in’ para close-beside me as ‘inner-circle’ best friend, even into my psyche soul’s identity of intellect, emotions, and will, even within my innermost spirit.

 

5.  I declare-as-the-truth and decree by the name/authority of Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior, that I NOW fully ‘own it’ because it is NOW fully mine. NOW I can genuinely, experientially, relationally epiginosko know this grace-gift in koinonia intimate-relationship together-with IT and its GIVER.

 

6.  Thank you Father so much for this blessing solely given by Your unconditionally-loving-favor-of-grace so that I cannot boast. Therefore, I also dechomai ‘passively, warmly-welcome as a fond friend’ and lambano ‘actively, grab hold of to possess for myself’ any instructions You have on how to best use this grace-gift to get the most agathos ‘excellently good-and-joyful benefit’ from in order to epiginosko experience that “super-abundant zoe genuine-life that Jesus came to bring” (John 10:10).

 

7.  Amen “So Be It”

 

 

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Water-baptism is a required part of the ‘Great Commission’ to go and make disciples of all nations

 

 

 

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We touched on this already in Water-Baptism – BT2In the ‘Great Commission’ of Matthew 28:19-20, Jesus said to His apostles to:  “Definitively/wholly poreuomai already having therefore ‘transported/gone to another place,’ [I strongly urge you to] definitively/wholly matheteuo make-disciples-of ALL the nations, routinely baptizo water-baptizing them eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ the [singular] name/authority of-the Father and/coupled of-the Son and/coupled of-the Holy Spirit, routinely teaching them to tereo ‘watch-carefully/guard to maintain/preserve/keep-intact’ hosos how-ever-many that I have entollomai ‘officially decreed/commanded as universally-binding’ you.”

 

The parallel passage in Mark 16:15-16 has Jesus saying a similar thing: “Definitively/wholly poreuomai already having ‘transported/gone to another place,’ eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ the pas whole world [of people], [I strongly urge you to] definitively/wholly kerusso proclaim-herald-preach [the logos message of] the gospel to pas all that creation.  The [one] who has definitively/wholly had trusting-relying-faith kai and/coupled definitively/wholly has been baptizo water-baptized shall actually be saved; however, the [one who] had definitively/wholly not-had-trusting-relying-faith will be condemned.”   This passage is usually considered the earlier, shorter version of the ‘Great Commission.’  Notice the same structure of assuming they have already ‘gone into the whole world”, the imperative’s strong-urging of Jesus, but here Matthew’s “disciple-making by routinely water-baptizing” of Matthew’s “all the nations” or Mark’s “the whole world [of people] . . . all that creation [of people]” must therefore equate to “proclaiming/preaching the gospel that brings the whole world’s people to take 2 coupled required actions in order to “actually be saved”:  1) “definitively/wholly have trusting-relying-faith kai and/coupled 2) “definitively/wholly be baptizo water-baptized.”  And the opposite of this that meets with condemnation is simplified to “NOT definitively/wholly having trusting-relying-faith.”  Adjoined phrases in Greek are NOT separate ideas but the same parallel idea described 2 ways for clarification and emphasis, much like poetic stanzas are.  As we have seen in previous BLOGs and Obedient Steps of Faith – BT15, the NT writers understood that genuine trusting-relying-faith that actually saves you is a process of 5 steps – see Salvation – BT1.  And here we see here that this last opposite “condemnation” phrase in parallel means that that not being condemned salvation thus requires a trusting-relying-faith that includes water-baptism, made even clearer by the kai coupling of trusting-relying-faith to water-baptism!

 

Let’s now ‘unpack’ Matthew’s version:  “Go” and “make disciples” are both Greek aorist tense verbs that tell of the timing – the chronology relative to the other actions in the verses.  The aorist passive participle of poreuomai “go” is better translated, “You-all [11 apostles], already having been [passively] definitively/wholly transported to other destinations [by My orders and thru the Holy Spirit as we see in the book of Acts].  The aorist participle puts this in the past relative to the other verbs in the sentence of “making disciples, water-baptizing, and teaching.”  It is assumed they will be ‘marching’ to other ports!

 

The Greek verb matheteuo formake-disciples-of” is used only 3 other times.  In Matthew 27:57 it literally means, “who also himself was disciple-by Jesus.”  In Matthew 13:52 it’s translated “has become-a-disciple-of … the kingdom of heaven.”  In Acts 14:21, it is translated “had made-many-disciples” as something done additionally to preaching the gospel logos message. This could explain why Mark 16:15-16’s shorter version of the ‘Great Commission’ doesn’t mention “disciple-making” – Jesus assumed it in the preaching of the gospel, but by Matthew’s version and Acts 14:21, clarification needed to be made? It should have been common knowledge that a disciple is one who “voluntarily takes on the disciplines given to him by his leader in the process of learning from and following him.”

 

Jesus said His disciples would have to make hard choices to follow Him, even leaving family members (a), bearing your own cross of self-denial and of persecution from others (b), and renouncing everything for Jesus (c).  You can’t just agree with His gospel logos message for a little while, you have to meno ‘abide, remain, continue, live with’ His gospel logos message in order to actually be set free (d).  An endurance of trusting-relying-faith is required to be truly saved – see Obedient Steps of Faith – BT16Unconditionally-loving one another proves we are His disciples, and is our only true witness to the world (e), for certainly this is the “proving” fruit that glorifies the Father (f).  The only 2 NT commandments of “Trusting-relying-faith and unconditional-love” are intergrally tied together throughout the NT – see Only 2 Commandment – BT6. <Notes> a) Luke 14:26, b) Matthew 16:24; Luke 14:27, c) Luke 14:33, d) John 8:31, e) John 13:35, f) John 15:8.

 

Jesus didn’t use the imperative to strongly urge the apostles to “make believers” or people who simply ‘mentally-agree with’ the gospel logos message they preached about Jesus as their Messiah or Savior – that’s not the definition of having pistis trusting-relying-faith – see Obedient Steps of Faith – BT2.  Nor to get people to simply confess the Creeds of the Christian faith, because that is not the definition of repentance – see  Surrender Control or the meaning of confession – see also Obedient Steps of Faith – BT15.

 

A “disciple” is much more – those who have made Jesus the Lord/Master of their life – and Jesus is about to further define the “disciple-making” process in Matthew’s account.  The earliest confessions of The-Trusting-Relying-Faith were “Jesus is Messiah-Savior and Lord!”  Here the imperative verb “make-disciples-of” is indicating Christ’s central strong-urging for which all the other verbs relate.  It’s assumed that once the 11 apostles have poreuomai already ‘transported/gone to another place’ that it was for the purpose of “making disciples,” not just enjoying the view, doing business, or just preaching the gospel.  Again, the aorist tense means that Christ is viewing the action as a whole, for certainly discipleship is a lifetime process.  Because of the imperative Jesus could also be emphasizing it definitively – “get it done as good as done!” Now, the next 2 present participles actually describe adjectively what goes on in “making disciples.”

 

The present active participle of baptizo Water-baptizing is better translated, “you-all [11 apostles], ‘routinely as a lifestyle habit’ be water-baptizing.”  Yes, water-baptizing people was supposed to be their habit of “making disciples” or followers of Jesus.  It’s erroneous to think that you can be saved without being a follower of Jesus – “whoever does absolutely-in-fact-NOT presently/ongoingly takes up his cross and/coupled presently/ongoingly follows Me is absolutely-in-fact-NOT worthy of Me” (a), and “My sheep akouo hear/listen-to-understand/know My Voice and/coupled I experientially, relationally ginosko know THEM and/coupled THEY follow Me” (b), and “If anyone serves Me, he MUST follow Me – and/so where I AM, there will also be My servant” (c).  Thee will be a lot of so-called ‘Believers’ of Jesus at Judgment Day who never became followers/disciples of Jesus because they were never water-baptized, but then in actuality they are “absolutely-in-fact-NOT worthy of Jesus” and are “NOT His sheep or relationally known by Him” and certainly are “NOT His servants to be where Jesus is now.”  What a rude awakening it will be for them to face hell instead! <Notes> a) Matthew 10:38, 16:24, cf. 8:22, 19:21; Mark 8:34, 10:21; Luke 9:23, 59, 18:22, b) John 10:27, c) John 12:26.

 

But that’s not all is required for “making-disciples!”  The next present active participle is didasko “teaching,” but in context this doesn’t mean teaching them to obey everything that Jesus taught about on every subject – and remember, most never got written down (a).  Too many preachers have made this their mission but it wasn’t Christ commission.  If it were, you would never finish working with even 1 believer in order to make Him a disciple!  Nope!  Jesus said instead: “routinely as a lifestyle habit’ teaching them to tereo ‘watch-carefully/guard to maintain/preserve/keep-intact’ hosos how-ever-many/ that I have entollomai ‘officially decreed/commanded as universally-binding’ you.”  A careful study will reveal only 2 such commandments in the completely-different-in-kind New Covenant, so perfectly combined in 1 John 3:23:  “And this is God’s [singular] entole commandment:  that we should definitively/wholly have trusting-relying-faith in the name/authority of His Son Jesus Christ and/coupled presently/ongoingly should unconditionally-love one-another-reciprocally, just as He (Jesus Christ) already has given [singular] entole commandment to us.  This was the catechism taught as part of the gospel logos message to become disciples.  The 1st entole commandment from the Father is directed to unbelievers to enter into His unconditional-love – see Logos Word of God – BT15.  The 2nd entole commandment from the Son is directed to believers to live His life of unconditional-love thru them for witness/testimony to bring the kingdom of God to earth – see Logos Word of God – BT16. Again, there are a lot of components taught about each of these commandments in order to be obeyed – even 1 John goes into great length about each, but particularly the unconditional-love these believers are struggling with.  Both are required to be disciples/followers of Jesus and thus to be saved. <Notes> a) John 21:25.

 

 

 

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Water-Baptism – BT5

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Jewish water-baptism was NOT something new to NT Jewish-Christians but required for confession and repentance from sin

 

 

 

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In the OT, ritual purification of a thing or person was always by complete immersion so that all parts of the thing or person were cleansed by the ritual, especially considering that the main Hebrew word mikvah was used of the “collection or gathering of the waters” (a). King Solomon’s temple had a 15 foot diameter x 7.5 foot high basin along with 10, 240 gallon basins for this ritual (b). The mikvah is also the basin or “vessel” in which the ceremonial washing occurs. Ancient mikvahs dating from before the late 1st century can be found throughout the land of Israel as well as in historic communities of the Jewish Diaspora (c). The Jews believed that immersion in water was absolutely necessary and that the water must touch every part of the body to become ritually katharos ‘clean, purged, pure, unmixed.’ <Notes> a) Genesis 1:9, b) 1 Kings 7:23, 7:38 and 2 Chronicles 4:2, c) after the temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.

 

The mikvah is so important to the Jews that an Orthodox community is required to construct a mikvah before building a synagogue. The “living waters” collected from a spring or a cistern collection of water are the only waters considered katharos ‘clean, purged, pure, unmixed’ for use in the mikvah (a), which is thus considered a hagionholy place” (b). Leviticus 15:5-10 details the process of total immersion of the whole person (c), or total immersion of clothes or other things that have been kabac defiled. In modern Judaism, the OT mikvah is used interchangeably with rabbinic tevilah (c). <Notes> a) Leviticus 11:36, Numbers 19:17, b) Leviticus 16:24, c) rachatz or rabbinic tevilah; louo means “bathe or wash the whole person, but not a part of them as would be the word nipto,” as distinguished in John 13:10.

 

However, all Jews, Aaron and his high-priest sons still had to be rachatz/louo completely bathed with water per Leviticus 8:6 (a). The Levites as priests had to be taher purged by sprinkling them from the main bath of the mikvah, shaving their whole body, and washing their clothes after first being completely rachatz/louo washed and made katharos “clean” per Leviticus 8:6 above. All these rituals ceremonially purified them (b). The priest or household member that touches anything akathartos “unclean” (c) cannot eat the sacrifices of God until they are bathed completely “clean” (rachatz/louo) per Leviticus 22:7 and 17:15-16 (d). <Notes> a) cf. Exodus 29:4, 40:12; Leviticus 16:24, b) Numbers 8:5-7, 15, 21, c) a corpse, a man who has a seminal emission, a woman during her menstruation or childbirth, anything with a swarm of flies on it, a person with a skin disease or other bodily emission, eating an animal that died of natural causes or torn by beasts, or an “unclean” person like a Gentile, d) see also Leviticus 13:34-37, 58-59, 14:8-9, 15:7-11, 13, 16-18, 21-22, 27- 28, 16:28, 19:10, Deuteronomy 23:10-11; Exodus19:10, 14; Numbers 31:21-34.

 

What about regular Jews who somehow became “unclean” and what about the [by default] “unclean” Gentiles that camped with the Jews? Under Leviticus 16:19-34, the Day of Atonement would cleanse them from ALL their sins, but God also had a “permanent ordinance” for frequent cleansings (a), lest “that person must be cut off from among the community, because he has polluted the sanctuary of the Lord; the water of purifications were not sprinkled on him, so he is unclean.” <Notes> a) Numbers 19:20.

 

Synonymous to rachatz/louo bathing/washing above is tabal/baptizo/baptismos, which means “to plunge or immerse.” Elisha, the prophet, told Naaman, the commander of the king of Syria who had leprosy, to go rachatz/louo bath/wash in the Jordan 7 times to made “clean” and be healed. . . Naaman’s servants said “It seems you should be happy that he simply said, ‘rachatz/louo bath/wash and be clean’. . . So Naaman went down and tabal/baptizo plunged/immersed himself 7 times in the Jordan according to the saying . . . (a). We can see this synonymous link between terms in the NT “doctrine of baptismos baptisms” of Hebrews 6:2 and 9:10 that link OT practices of shataf or netilah yadayim/baptizo washing of hands and the kabac/baptismos washings of cups, pots, and kettles (b). <Notes> a) 2 Kings 5:10, 13-15, b) Mark 7:4.

 

According to Strong’s Lexicon, the word baptizo for “plunge, submerge, immerse, make fully wet, wash” is slightly distinguished from bapto for “dip into as to cover wholly with a fluid, to moisten a part of a person, to stain or dye to color something.” To show this difference, in 200 B.C., Nicander, a Greek poet and doctor wrote a recipe for making pickles: “The vegetable is first bapto dipped-temporarily into boiling water, but then baptizo immersed-permanently into vinegar.”  Dipping doesn’t affect permanent change!

 

Tevilah rabbinic baptism by immersion was (and still is) a strict ceremony! The person has to remove anything that would be an obstacle between the body and the water. Any intervention that prevented the water from reaching a part of the body rendered the immersion invalid. For example, all clothes and jewelry have to be removed, and women have to remove braids, hair accessories, make-up, nail polish, or anything else but the body and the water. Jewish Law requires at least 3 witnesses (usually magistrates) to be present for certain immersions, as ordained by the Sanhedrin in the time of Christ. Then the priest examined the situation to confirm the presence of any impurities and provided instruction for cleansing. Later, after the physical cleansing was completed and after the impurity was eradicated, additional rituals were performed for further ceremonial cleansing. When all of this was completed, the priest could finally declare that ‘cleanliness’ had been re-established. The Torah required full immersion for the cleansing ceremony to valid.

 

The same exacting care went into gerim Gentile proselyte baptism, but with even more requirements!  The proselyte must begin to learn the Jewish religion, Law, and customs, and begin to observe them, which generally takes at least one year to experience each of the Jewish holidays. After the teaching is complete, the proselyte is brought before a rabbinic court, which examines the proselyte and determines whether he or she is ready to become a Jew. If the proselyte passes their oral examination, the rituals of conversion are performed. If the convert is male, he is circumcised. If he was already circumcised, a pinprick of blood is drawn for a symbolic circumcision. Both male and female converts are made ceremonially “clean” through tevilah/mikveh whole-body self-immersion via total rachatz/louo bathing/washing of the body – the witnesses weren’t allowed to touch them. The proselyte would make a “confession of The-Trusting-Relying-Faith” before the witnesses and then would totally immerse themselves by placing themselves in a sitting or fetal position under the water with a witness or “baptizer” doing the officiating. They would then stretch themselves back into a standing position (a), reciting another blessing as they rose from the water. Water-baptizing “in the name of” was a reference to the witnesses being present – it declared the authority from whom they were water-baptized. The convert is then given a Jewish name and can now be introduced into the Jewish community. The children of proselytes need not go through these rituals. Only then can the proselyte enter into the Temple to worship God and offer sacrifices for their sin. Non-public or “secret” (private) immersions were not acknowledged as valid. Can you see why early Christian water-baptism was always a very public testimony of their “confession of The-Trusting-Relying-Faith”? <Notes> a) “straightaway out of the water,” just as Jesus did at His water-baptism.

 

Did the Jews of Jesus’ day believe this actually purified the Gentiles? You bet! According the debates by Shammai and Hillel, both contemporaries of Jesus, a “Gentile is made … like a child new born.” The Talmud teaches that a person enters the waters as the “womb of the world,” dies to himself, is buried, and emerges on the other side a “little child just born” or “child of one day” and thus hagios sanctified/separate or “clean” from the pagan “unclean” world. Water-baptism symbolized moving from a state of impurity to purity. This sure sounds like a “born again” experience to me – see Salvation – BT8. Jesus was likely using terms that Nicodimus should have been very familiar with!  In fact, rabbinic literature use the term “born again” in 6 places, each of them for a lifechanging experience, water-baptism: 1) of Gentile converts, 2) At the crowning of a king, 3) At a boy’s embracing of God’s covenant at 13, 4) at marriage, 5) at becoming a rabbi, and 6) at becoming the head of a rabbinic school.

 

Tevilah rabbinic baptism by immersion required a day of repentance. According to 12th century Moses Maimonides, regarded by many as the greatest Jewish philosopher, declared that ritual cleansings “are to be treated as divine statutes which baffle human understanding . . . that the regulations concerning uncleanness and cleanness are decrees of the Holy Writ, and do not belong to the subjects which a man can rationally explain. They thus belong to the category of statutes. Similarly the act of immersion to rid oneself of impurity belongs to that class of ‘statutes’ because defilement is not material filth that can be removed by water. It is but a decree of the Holy Writ, and the removal is dependent upon the intention of the heart. (a). On that account the Sages said, ‘If a man immersed himself without specific intention, it is as though he had not immersed himself at all.’ In the same way that a person who directs his heart to self-purification attains cleanness as soon as he immerses although there has been no physical change in him, so the person who directs his heart to purify his soul from spiritual impurities, such as iniquitous thoughts and evil notions, becomes clean as soon as he determines in his heart to keep apart from these courses, and bathes his soul in the waters of the pure knowledge.” <Notes> a) This is the exact language of 1 Peter 3:21 “Water-baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an “a request/appeal to God for a clear conscience free of sin” though I’d rather take the Greek ‘as is’ for the Holy Spirit working together with the person because of their surrender to help them mentally experience their reaching of God, but ALL of this saves them only because it is REALIZED thru the resurrection of Christ” – see Water-Baptism – BT4.

 

The Encyclopedia Judaica describes repentance as: “Repentance is a prerequisite for divine forgiveness:  God will not pardon man unconditionally but waits for him to repent. In repentance, man must experience genuine remorse for the wrong he has committed and then convert his penitential energy into concrete acts. Two sub-stages are discernable in the latter process: first the negative one of ceasing to do evil and then the second, the positive step of doing good. It is a call to return to God, or t’shuvah ‘to return.’ The motion of turning/returning implies that sin is not an ineradicable stain but a straying from the path, and that by the effort of turning – a power God has given to all men – the sinner can redirect his (or her) destiny.”

 

Is it any wonder that people confessed their sins at their water-baptisms per Matthew 3:6, Mark 1:5?  It was standard practice for repentance in all forms of cleansing – see also Surrender Control.  There is so much more written on the details of water-baptism, but you can see from the facts here, that total-body immersion water-baptism was actually a requirement for salvation – it simply was expected!

 

 

 

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The NT and early Church didn’t separate the required ergon ‘doings/works’ of salvation

 

 

 

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See also Salvation and Obedient Steps of Faith – BT15. The Obedient Steps of Faith for salvation require these five components:  1) akouo hearing/listening-to-understand/know the gospel logos message of Jesus Christ who is The Truth2) the routine having of trusting-relying-faith in Jesus as your Messiah-Savior, the “Anointed-One” Christ, and Supreme-Lord-Master of your life, 3) repenting or turning from sin to the Lord, 4) publicly confessing your sin and confessing “Jesus is the Christ as Savior and Lord/Master,” 5) and then being water-baptized to “welcome and grab-hold-of” the Spirit-baptism.  Leave any out and don’t bet on being saved when you stand before the Father at the Great White Throne Day of Judgment.

 

All Jewish-Christians simply did all 5 steps above because that is what they were accurately taught, believing they were integrated and inseparable for salvation. The internal reality and the outward display of trusting-relying-faith can’t be separated, for “out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks,” even evil (a), and “the good person, out of the agathos good-natured (b) treasure of his heart, prophero ‘bears/produces forward or forth’ agathos good-nature (b, c), and “you will genuinely, experientially, relationally epignosko know them by their fruit” (d). The soteria process of salvation (e) isn’t something that can be separated from our mouth and actions!  Paul’s mission was to “bring the Gentiles to obedience – by logos message [from their mouths] and deed” (f) and said, “Whatever you DO, by logos message [from their mouths] or deed, DO everything in the name/authority of the Lord Jesus” (g). This separation of the body’s actions from the mind/spirit’s beliefs doesn’t come from the Jewish thinking behind most of the NT, but from the Greek philosophy of “dualism” (h) that crept into the later Catholic Church, and more so by religious rationalism by the Catholic St. Thomas Aquinas (i) that combined with empiricism to create the scientific method (j). This all greatly added more “traditions of men.” Do your own homework on water-baptism (k). <Notes> a) Matthew 12:34, 15:18-19; Mark 7:21, b) agathos: “good natured, pleasantly joyful, excellent or distinguished and thus useful, upright, or honorable.”, c) Luke 6:45, d) Matthew 7:16, 20, e) soteria/soterias is a process of deliverance, reconciliation, and restoration to healthy wholeness, f) Romans 15:18, g) Colossians 3:17, h) the universe consists of separate good/mind versus evil/matter, i) 1224-1274 AD, j) 1473-1642 AD, k) Matthew 3:11, 28:19; Mark 1:4, 16:16; Luke 3:3, 24:47; Acts 2:38, 41, 8:12-13, 16, 36-38, 9:18, 10:47-48, 16:15, 33, 18:8, 25, 19:3-5, 22:16; 1 Corinthians 1:13- 17, 12:13; Galatians 3:27; Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; and 1 Peter 3:21.

 

The apostle Peter didn’t try to separate the components of salvation, even in the first sermon of the Church where he uses the imperative to strongly urge the Jews in Acts 2:38-39, “Repent (a) and/coupled be water-baptized every one of you in the name/authority of Jesus Christ eis ‘toward and reaching the goal of’ the forgiveness of your sins, kai and-then you will lambano ‘grab hold of to receive’ the grace-gift of the Holy Spirit gar ‘for the reason of’ to you This [singular] Promise [of the Holy Spirit] and/coupled to your children kai and-also to all who are far off, as many as whom the Lord our God calls to Himself.” Can you see how “being born of [singular] water and/coupled [singular] Spirit” (b) thru water-baptism is dependent on repenting by turning to Jesus and that forgiveness of sins doesn’t come just from repenting, even if you speak it by confession, but must be accompanied by water-baptism? <Notes> a) metanoia:  an after-effect of mind/heart/inner man, implying an internal change after an activity, where the ‘activity’ is defined by the context – see Surrender Control.  In the context, the Jews needed to do a U-turn about their conviction about Christ, having just crucified Him, b) see John 3:5 – see Salvation – BT8.

 

That’s also why the apostle Peter explained all this in his first letter in 1 Peter 3:21 that says: “Kai and-also water-baptism, which antitupos ‘as an antitype prefigures’ this (a), now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but-instead as an eperotema ‘response to any inquiry’ (b) of/belonging-to an agathos good-natured (c) suneidesis ‘together-with [the Spirit’s] eido mental seeing-to-perceive/knowing’ (d) eis toward-and-reaching-the-goal-of God, dia thru-the-realizing-channel-of the action of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.” It’s not the water, but the enabling-power of Christ’s resurrection that delivers you “through the flood waters” that condemned the flesh to death, just like the waters that covered the earth washed away the sin of the world but also delivered Noah’s family to safety! <Notes> a) v. 3:20: Noah and his family saved through the flood waters, b) eperotema:  This could have been an answer to the baptizer’s catechism question of what their confession of The-Trusting-Relying-Faith was, c) agathos:  “good-natured, pleasantly joyful, excellent or distinguished and thus useful, upright, or honorable,” d) the phrase could mean “a request/appeal to God for a clear conscience free of sin” or maybe a “profession of faith in Christ as Savior and Lord for a clear conscience from God” as others have translated it, but I’d rather take the Greek ‘as is’ for the Holy Spirit working together with the person because of their surrender to help them mentally experience their reaching of God, but ALL of this saves them only because it is REALIZED thru the resurrection of Christ.

 

The Apostle Paul also assumes every Christian will have been water-baptized in Romans 6:3-8 (a), “Do you not know that all of us who have already been water-baptized into Christ Jesus were water-baptized into His death? We were buried therefore with Him by the means of water-baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of zoe genuine-life. For if we have already been united with Him in a death like His, then we shall certainly be united with Him in a resurrection like His (b). We know that our old self was already crucified with Him in order that the body of sin might be rendered powerless/inactive, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin (c). For one who has already died has been set free from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we have trusting-relying-faith that we will then/also live with Him.”  Did you catch that “if . . . , then . . .” statement again (b)?  The “then” results can only be true for a person, if they have done the “if” conditions. Have you been water-baptized to be confident of the “resurrection” and to have a fighting chance against sin? <Notes> a) cf. Colossians 2:12, b) Did you catch the If…then statement?, c) So if you don’t get water-baptized, the enabling-power source of sin is still alive.

 

Regarding the “old self” above, the natural, unredeemed “old man/self/being” or “inner man/self/being” dwelling in our initial “spirit/breath of man” that God gave us to make us a “living being” – see Identity, well according to Romans 6:6 this old self MUST be crucified with Christ in water-baptism for this old self’s enabling-power to stop influencing and energizing – like an evil ‘Energizer Bunny’ would – the rest of man, this being his soul and/coupled body together as “flesh” – see Identity.  The power-plug must be pulled!  It’s the only way to be free from the old self’s dominion that enslaves you to sin.  And the only way to have our “spirit” redeemed or ‘purchased for freedom’ and given the completely-different-in-kind New zoe Genuine-Life and enabling-power of the Spirit of holiness is for us to resurrect from the dead with Christ and be given His completely-different-in-kind New Spirit, and this only happens in water-baptism (a).  <Notes> a) Romans 6:4-5, 8; Colossians 2:12-13.

 

Sanctification/holiness in the Christian life is then a matter of keeping the old self’s dirty clothes off us and the completely different-in-kind New Self’s (a) fresh, clean clothes on us (b).  It’s a shame so many churches speak so little of water-baptism, when the NT speaks so much about it. No wonder there is so much sin in churches – they call for holiness but then don’t unplug the old self.  Futile, especially because it’s doubtful they even are a “New Self” or “New Creation” (b) without water-baptism!  They are trying to make “the natural man” or “old self” sanctified/holy – and that’s the definition of every religion in the world! <Notes> a) 2 Corinthians 5:17; Galatians 6:15; Ephesians 2:15, 4:24; Colossians 3:10, b) Colossians 3:9-10; Ephesians 4:22-24.

 

Paul wrote this before he got to Romans 10:9, “If you confess (a) that ‘Jesus is Lord’ (b) and/coupled have trusting-relying-faith in your heart (c) that God resurrected Him from the dead, you will be saved.”  Paul already spoke of what occurs by “confession” of Christ’s Lordship – it involves dying in water-baptism so that afterwards you can “consider/recognize yourselves dead to sin (d) but alive to God in Christ Jesus . . . presenting yourselves to God as those who have actually been brought from death to zoe genuine-life (d)” (e).  The whole book of Romans is sequential – you can’t just jump to chapter 10 as if that’s all that is involved in salvation! Confession wasn’t just verbal agreement to a creed, but proved through water-baptism you really did have trusting-relying-faith that Jesus was now Supreme Master-Lord of your life! Gentiles simply don’t understand “confession” because water-baptism was standard practice for all disciples of the Jewish religion, as we’ll see in the next BLOG – it’s a necessity to Surrender Control. And the earliest Church was ALL Jewish for quite awhile! <Notes> a) homologeo: literally means “to declare the same [homo] message [logos]”, b) which requires the Holy Spirit’s enablement: 1 Corinthians 12:3, c) not your nous head, d) context: because of water-baptism, e) Romans 6:11-13.

 

Water-Immersion was standard practice for salvation for all Jews and Christians!  To understand water-baptism in the day of John the Baptist, Jesus, and all Jewish-Christian disciples who were water-baptizing, you obviously need to know what water-baptism already meant to a Jew. Jews were already considered katharos “clean” (a) by their Jewish birth and male circumcision, so no water-baptism was needed (b). When a Gentile, who was by default akathartos ‘unclean, impure, defiled’ was converted to Judaism, they not only had to be circumcised according to the Law (if a man), but they had to be water-baptized to be made “ceremonially or ritually clean.”  The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia further states, “Water baptism, as an initiatory rite [as with other pagan religions], was no less familiar to Gentile converts who had no acquaintance with the Jewish religion. These water-baptisms, like the water-baptism of proselytes were immersions for purification.”  <Notes> a) katharos:  “purged, clean, pure, unmixed,” cf. hagios: sanctified, separated, dedicated, made holy and pure for God, b) the water-baptism of Jews didn’t start for centuries later – see Wikipedia’s Mikveh.

 

That’s why the experts in the Law asked why John was water-baptizing Jews as if he had greater authority (a) than Moses who said Jews were already “clean” where this greater authority would be that of Elijah who was to precede the Messiah (b), the Messiah prophesied as “The Servant of Yahweh” by Isaiah, or The Prophet that Moses said would come. In the next BLOG, we will see that Gentiles were water-baptized for conversion, but Jews only by priests for ritualistic cleansing under very particular situations.  Moses prophesied: “It is to The Prophet you shall listen-to-understand . . . the Voice of Yahweh saying: ‘I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema words in His Mouth, and He shall speak to them ALL that I command Him, and whoever will in-possibility-NOT akouo hear/listen-to-understand/know The Prophet (c) who shall speak in My name/authority, I Myself will carry out [by] exact-punishing-justice a penalty from him” (d).  This is a strick warning to not ignore The Prophet! <Notes> a) John 1:25, b) Jesus said John was him: Matthew 11:14, 17:12; Mark 9:13, c) Greek text fits the flow better, but the Hebrew says instead: ‘hears/listen-to-understand/know This Rhema’ [of Him], d) Deuteronomy 18:15-19.

 

What changed was NOW John the Baptist and Jesus’ disciples were water-baptizing ALL Jews (a), presumably still a “water-baptism for repentance” because there is no mention of “water-baptizing in the name/authority of Jesus” (b) until after Christ’s resurrection when He was “given all authority in heaven and earth” and when He gave the ‘Great Commission’ to the 11 apostles to preach (not write) His gospel logos message to make disciples by water-baptizing them as we saw in Matthew 28:18-20 as discussed in Water-Baptism – BT2. <Notes> a) John 3:22, 26, 4:1-2, b) Matthew 28:19; Acts 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5.

 

In the writings of early church tradition (a), some of which date back as far as 50 AD before many of the NT writings, the early Church Fathers clearly explain, as Matthew Ropp so accurately summarized for his degree to Dr. Nathan Feldmeth for Fuller Theological Seminary’s School of Theology 1998 Early Church History 500-level course: “the primary and innate purpose and results of water-baptism was purification from sin and regeneration of the sinner into new life; for the purpose of and affecting a new spiritual birth; necessary for salvation; and certainly required for membership in the Church.”

 

All 5 components of salvation are required:  1) akouo hearing/listening-to-understand/know the gospel logos message of Jesus Christ who is The Truth2) the routine having of trusting-relying-faith in Jesus as your Messiah-Savior, the “Anointed-One” Christ, and Supreme-Lord-Master of your life, 3) repenting or turning from sin to the Lord, 4) publicly confessing your sin and confessing “Jesus is the Christ as Savior and Lord/Master,” 5) and then being water-baptized to “welcome and grab-hold-of” the Spirit-baptism.  Public repentance, confession of sins, calling out to Jesus as the Christ or Savior to save you, and water-baptism by immersion for the washing away of sins, forgiveness, and salvation were intricately connected from the very beginning – all these were obedient steps of faith and surrender of control! <Notes> a) e.g., the Didache or “The Teaching of the 12 Apostles,” the writings of Barnabas, Ignatius, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, and many more.

 

 

 

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Sola Fide “Faith Alone” is a later, non-biblical “tradition of men”

 

 

 

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The Sola Fide (a) churches that don’t believe water-baptism is required for salvation but think it is simply symbolic of the trusting-relying-faith that alone saves you are too many (b). Boy, are they in for a rude awaking!  James would ask: “Can such trusting-relying-faith save them?” (c). That’s what we will explore now. <Notes> a) by trusting-relying-faith alone, b) Anabaptist, Evangelical Free, Grace Communion International, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Presbyterians, United Church of Christ, Baptist, Quakers, Salvation Army, Unitarians, Christian Scientist, Bahai, c) James 2:14.

 

James continues in v. 2:17, 20, 22, 24, 26 to make it crystal clear:trusting-relying-faith, if it does in-possibility-NOT have ergon ‘doings/works’ is nekros ‘useless, as good as dead,’ [if] kata down-from/according-to itself (i.e., alone).” So much for Sola Fide!  In referring to Abraham, James continues: “you see that [his] trusting-relying-faith was continually (a) working-together (b) with his ergon ‘doings/works’, and trusting-relying-faith was made telos ‘fulfilled to be finished/ended’ by his ergon ‘doings/works’” and so “you see that a person is justified/made-declared-righteous ek out-from ergon ‘doings/works’ and absolutely-in-fact-NOT ek out-from trusting-relying-faith alone.”  However, we also have to keep in mind that James’ immediate context for ergon ‘doings/works’ is the showing of “mercy that triumphs over judgment” (c) by impartially, unconditionally-loving the brethren who were suffering, which makes it “the perfect Law of liberty” (d). <Notes> a) rare imperfect tense: continually, repetitively, b) sunergeo: co-working, partnering, c) v. 2:13, d) v. 1:25.

 

Can you see why Martin Luther, who started the Sola Fide Protestant Reformation as a reaction to Catholic abuses of “works of salvation,” wanted James thrown out of the bible? But Luther wasn’t the only one that doubted it. Many in the western churches doubted it because it was written for Jewish-Christians and not widely circulated among Gentile-Christians. The Muratorian Fragment (a) and Tertullian (b) didn’t mention it, and Origen (c), Eusebius of Caesarea in his Church History (d), Bishop Theodore of Mopsuestia (e), Jerome (f), and Gaius Marius Victorinus (g) all questioned it. However, Irenaeus (h) uses it, and Eusebius refers to a lost work of Clement of Alexandria (i) using it. Nevertheless, the Bishop Athanasius of Alexandria included it in the 27-book NT (j). Can you see how the canon of the NT sure isn’t God’s idea? – see Bible Info.  Nevertheless, James understood that saving-faith is not alone – see Obedient Steps of Faith – BT15. <Notes> a) 170 AD, b) 155-240 AD, c) 225 AD, d) 313 AD, e) 350-428 AD, f) 347-420 AD, g) 355 AD, h) 130-202 AD, i) 150-215 AD, j) 367 AD.

 

It wasn’t until the 5th century when Saint Augustine described a “Sacrament as an outward and visible sign of an inward and invisible unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace” giving way for the Catholic Church to create another non-biblical “tradition of men” called the “Sacrament of Baptism.”  He borrowed the idea from the early Catholic theologian Tertullian in the early 3rd century, who used the Latin word sacramentum (a) to translate the NT Greek word musterion (b) for “mystery,” to avoid association with the pagans that used “mystery” to describe their secret, hidden rites of their initiations.  So many false doctrines are created by ‘knee-jerk’ reactions. <Notes> a) sacred oath of allegiance to the emperor by a Roman soldier, b) hidden, secret, mystery: Matthew 13:11; Mark 4:11; Luke 8:10; Romans 11:25, 16:25; 1 Timothy 3:9, 16; 1 Corinthians 2:1, 7, 4:1, 13:2, 14:2, 15:51; Ephesians 1:9, 3:3-4, 8, 6:19, 5:32; Colossians 1:26-27, 2:2, 4:3; 2 Thessalonians 2:7; Revelation 1:20, 10:7, 17:5, 7.

 

The Anabaptists latched onto Augustine’s ideas in the early 1500’s, creating the idea of “water-baptism as a symbolic outward sign of an inward reality following an individual believer’s experience of forgiving unconditional-loving-favor-of-grace.” Baptists then created the idea of “Believer’s Baptism”baptizing professing believers only, and that water-baptism is thus not a requirement for salvation, but rather symbolic and a public expression of one’s inner repentance and trusting-relying-faith.” Can you see how these “traditions of men” get started, one error leading to another and another and another, until you are miles away from the original text. Jesus accused the Jews of the same thing: “Why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? . . . for the sake of your tradition you have made void the logos word/message of God” (a) or “You leave the commandment of God and hold onto the tradition of men . . . you have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition . . . making void the logos word/message of God by your tradition that you have handed down” (b). Nothing has changed with the religion of Christianity! <Notes> a) Matthew 15:3, 6, b) Mark 7:8, 9, 13.

 

 

 

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Water-Baptism – BT2

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Water-baptism is necessary to wash away your sins for forgiveness, justification, and salvation

 

 

 

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Many Christians haven’t done their homework on water-baptism, but simply follow some denomination’s view on it.  All you have to do is read the bible’s use of the words for water-baptism and the first 100 years of Christian writings to see it’s very clear that disciples/followers were ALL expected to be water-baptized (a), and this was directly linked to salvation (b), when your sins were bathed/washed (c) away:  “Why do you wait? Rise and be water-baptized and louo bath-wash away your sins, [while] calling on His name/authority” (d), “He saved us . . . by the louo bathing/washing of regeneration” (e), “our hearts sprinkled clean…our bodies louo bathed/washed with pure water” (f), “you were louo bathed/washed ….made/declared justified-righteous in the name/authority of the Lord Jesus Christ” (g), the “Church . . . that Jesus sanctified/made holy, having cleansed her by the louo bathing/washing of water in/by his directly-spoken/heard prophetic rhema word” (h). <Notes> a) even Paul was: Acts 9:17-18, 22:12-16, b) Mark 16:16; 1 Peter 3:21, c) louo: washed ‘clean’, d) Acts 22:16 , e) Titus 3:5 , f) Hebrews 10:22 , g) 1 Corinthians 6:11, h) Ephesians 5:26.

 

Water-baptism is surely for the forgiveness of sins (a) which is based on repentance (b), just as John’s water-baptism was for the forgiveness of sins based on repentance (c). <Notes> a) Acts 2:38, cf. Matthew 26:28; Luke 1:77, 24:47; Acts 5:31, 10:43, 13:38, 26:18; Colossians 1:14; Hebrews 9:22, b) Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3, 24:47; Acts 2:38, 5:31, 8:22; 2 Corinthians 7:10, c) Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3.

 

Water-baptism was the required place for public confession (a) of sins (b) and “confession of Jesus to be Christ” (c), “confession that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh” (d), was “the apostle and high priest of our confession” (e), or “confessing with your mouth that Jesus is Lord . . .will be saved” (f), “the good confession in the presence of many witnesses” (g), for whoever “confesses the Son has the Father also” (h), which we also know is part of repentance involved within the “Obedience Steps of Faith – BT15” (i). Water-baptism “in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” (j) or at least “in the name of the Jesus Christ” or “the Lord Jesus” (k), clearly indicated you were really a follower/disciple of Jesus (k) – see Surrender Control for more about confession. <Notes> a) ex out from + homou local assembly + gospel logos message = profess/declare out agreement in a local assembly before 2-3 witness as in a court of law, b) Matthew 3:6; Mark 1:5; Acts 19:18, cf. James 5:16; 1 John 1:9, c) John 9:22, 12:42, d) 1 John 4:2, e) Hebrews 3:1, f) Romans 10:9, cf. Philippians 2:11, g) 1 Timothy 6:12, h) 1 John 2:23, i) Romans 1:16; Ephesians 2:8; 2 Timothy 3:15; 1 Peter 1:5, 9, j) Matthew 28:19, k) Acts 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5, l) 1 Corinthians 1:12-16.

 

Other early creeds of public confession of Christ were simply “Jesus is the Christ/Messiah” (a), or “Jesus is the Son of God” (b) or “Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God” (c), or “Jesus is Lord” (d), where “Lord” means “Supreme Master!” By the 2nd century The Roman Creed had grown to 86 words. By the 4th century it had grown to 175 words, and it just kept growing – see Salvation – BT9. Why? Because the Catholic Church had become obsessed about gnosis info-knowledge and universally-binding doctrines/decrees/ordinances (e) instead of genuine, experiential, relational epignosis knowledge – see Knowledge of God.  But confession isn’t the only thing that was supposed to happen for salvation to occur – see Obedience Steps of Faith – BT15 and Salvation – BT1.   <Notes> a) 1 John 2:22, 5:1, b) 1 John 4:15, 5:5, c) John 20:31,